PS3 Hard Drive...FAT32---> NTFS?

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#1 Posted by WongB (1701 posts) -
I've recently run into the problem that my PS3 can't recognize my external hard drive.
The PS3's HDD is FAT32, but my External is NTFS.
I've heard that in general NTFS is the better format of the two. Is there a way to format the PS3 to NTFS or should I just convert my HDD to FAT32?
#2 Posted by lhbchen (1070 posts) -
PS3 won't do NTFS
#3 Posted by WongB (1701 posts) -

Is one format supposed to be superior to the other, or is there no difference.

PC should be able to read both formats right?

#4 Posted by lhbchen (1070 posts) -

NTFS is the superior one in most systems. For example, it has more capability in system security.

But it makes no difference for an embedded system such as PS3. So SONY just exclusively picks FAT32 maybe for more compatibility?!

And yes, your PC would be able to recognize almost any format.

#5 Posted by CLOYDRL82 (42 posts) -
I have encountered the same problem. I've also heard that individual files can't be bigger than 4 GB if you switch to FAT32 so it might screw things up if you reformat the external hard drive. Also, if you reformat the hard drive can you still view it on your pc? I wonder what the point of having phot and music tabs on the PS3 if you can't swap your media over to it???
#6 Posted by Threesixtyci (4287 posts) -

heh... you mean "Windows NT kernel" should be able to read both formats. Windows does not entirely equal PC, nor PS3 for that matter. It's all based on the Operating System....

In you're case you are catering to the PS3. If you refuse....then the PS3 will refuse, too

#7 Posted by b11051973 (7619 posts) -

I'm pretty sure the PS3 has it's own file system. I upgraded my PS3's hdd and hooked the one that came with it to my Windows PC. Windows did not recognize the file format.

#8 Posted by jimm895 (7703 posts) -
The PS3 uses the FAT32 file system.
#9 Posted by plg2307 (953 posts) -
#10 Posted by lokestar (956 posts) -
I don't think the ps3 uses fat32 as it's file system. If it did you'd have fragmentation issues. It probably uses a unix/linux type filesystem like ext2 or ext3 which would explain why you never need to worry about defrag issues. As for NTFS, this was created by Micro$oft and is property of theirs. It makes sense why the ps3 won't recognize it. Same as it won't recognize .wma windows media audio files.
#11 Posted by plg2307 (953 posts) -
Yes it use FAT32, you have to format a notebook HDD in FAT for it to work on ps3
#12 Posted by Reldas89 (842 posts) -
thats bloody 4gb limit thing gives me the **** stupid sony
#13 Posted by Large_Soda (8610 posts) -

thats bloody 4gb limit thing gives me the **** stupid sonyReldas89

Sony had nothing to do with that.

#14 Posted by RoganSarine (1490 posts) -
NTFS was made by microsoft exclusively so Sony can't use it.

FAT32 is more stone age and was being used back in Windows '98. You can't have files bigger then 4 GBs, and the clusters are larger so a bunch of small files actually take more space then they would on an NTFS drive.

Other then that they're basically the same.
#15 Posted by RoganSarine (1490 posts) -

NTFS was made by microsoft exclusively so Sony can't use it. So people who complain, your making yourself look stupid. They can't really do anything about it.

FAT32 is more stone age and was being used back in Windows '98. You can't have files bigger then 4 GBs, and the clusters are larger so a bunch of small files actually take more space then they would on an NTFS drive.

The 4Gig thing is easy to bypass, what do you really want on your PS3 that's above 4 gigs? An HD movie? Well those are illegal. An ISO image? You can't on a PS3.


Other then that they're basically the same.

#17 Posted by Large_Soda (8610 posts) -

ok then stupid microsoft, and yes downloading a BR movie is illegal doesnt mean i am not gunna do it, and iso might be playable in the future though hacks or something, still it would be nice to have NTFSReldas89

Well then, maybe having a 4GB cap is smart move to stop pirates like you. Just sayin'.

#18 Posted by lokestar (956 posts) -

Yes it use FAT32, you have to format a notebook HDD in FAT for it to work on ps3plg2307

I wonder how the PS3 handles fragmentation issues then. Maybe there's a built in defrag utility that runs in the background?

#19 Posted by Sokol4ever (6305 posts) -

[QUOTE="plg2307"]Yes it use FAT32, you have to format a notebook HDD in FAT for it to work on ps3lokestar

I wonder how the PS3 handles fragmentation issues then. Maybe there's a built in defrag utility that runs in the background?

That is what I was wondering every time I delete a Demo, wallpapers, pictures etc. I defrag my computer every month to keep the hard-drive in good shape.

There is an option with PS3 to defrag, but I'm not sure if it works the same way. I don't wish to lose game saved files or down-loadable ones, like tekken online, warhawk etc.

If there indeed is a tool or maybe a operating system that takes care of the hard-drive on it's own, that would be more then impressive, maybe someone in here has knowledge of how how defrag works in PS3, or if we need to use one in the long run?

#20 Posted by lokestar (956 posts) -

There is an option with PS3 to defrag, but I'm not sure if it works the same way. I don't wish to lose game saved files or down-loadable ones, like tekken online, warhawk etc.

Sokol4ever

I didn't know there was a defrag option onthe PS3?

#21 Posted by Sokol4ever (6305 posts) -
#22 Posted by recce5 (207 posts) -

Have anyone tried connecting a USB external HDD (32GB to 160GB) to the PS3 and use the PS3 to access images, music and videos from the HDD?

I've been trying to connect my 2.5" portable USB HDD (60GB) to the PS3 via USB but it won't recognise the drive. I've tried formatting the HDD in FAT32 with different sector sizes (from 1 to 128) but still my PS3 won't see it when connected.

Anyone had any idea?

#23 Posted by carterhc (131 posts) -

hope this helps

no the ps3's hdd is not a FAT32, and will not recognize a NTFS. the NTFS hdd's are meant for use with windows pcs. the fat32 by certain companies because it is recognized on more systems than anything else, such as both macs and windows pc, and also the 360 and ps3.

the NTFS hdd format is only used by windows operated systems. so that is whythe ps3 wont recognize it. I have a 320gb external hdd and i split it into two partitions: 1 NTFS, 1 FAT32. i keep all my ps3 stuff on the fat32 so the ps3 can read it and for a matter of fact anyother system (pc,360,mac, etc) can also read that, but none of them will read the NTFS except for my windows pc.

the 4gb limit is a flaw of the fat32 format not somin sony or any other company made up. and that is why you cant get files larger than 4gb into any fat32 formated hdd. Its not that the ps3 will not accept anything bigger, its because the fat32 hdd cant carry anything bigger than 4gb.

ways to get around the 4gb limit with a fat32 hdd is too not use one. If you have a dl dvd-rw or tversity, you can get files larger than 4gbs into your ps3.

i personally have 3 files one 4.6gb, 6.6gb, and 10.1gb in my ps3. i just stream the files through tversity and then use the copy option on the ps3 to put them into the system.

hope that helps, anything is possible just investigate and all the answers are there.

#24 Posted by carterhc (131 posts) -

Have anyone tried connecting a USB external HDD (32GB to 160GB) to the PS3 and use the PS3 to access images, music and videos from the HDD?

I've been trying to connect my 2.5" portable USB HDD (60GB) to the PS3 via USB but it won't recognise the drive. I've tried formatting the HDD in FAT32 with different sector sizes (from 1 to 128) but still my PS3 won't see it when connected.

Anyone had any idea?

recce5

after formatting to fat32, are you creating folders MUSIC, VIDEO, PICTURES ????, if you are not creating those folders and then storing the right files in the right folders, the ps3 will not find them. BUT if your too lazy to create the folders in the external hdd, just go on the xmb to what your looking for (i,e pics, to go pictures on the xmc) press triangle on the external hdd and select display all.

#25 Posted by recce5 (207 posts) -

My question is whether the PS3 supports a portable HDD (formatted in FAT32) connected to it via USB as I can't seem to get it to work.

So you're saying it works? When I slot in a media card, the XMB will appear an icon under Music, Video Pictures etc but connecting the HDD to it does not show any icon so no way to access the content in the HDD.

#26 Posted by recce5 (207 posts) -
Not sure if it's of any help but my 2.5"HDD is a SATA HD mounted into a portable casing with USB2.0 connection externally.
#27 Posted by recce5 (207 posts) -

After formatting to fat32, are you creating folders MUSIC, VIDEO, PICTURES ????, if you are not creating those folders and then storing the right files in the right folders, the ps3 will not find them. BUT if your too lazy to create the folders in the external hdd, just go on the xmb to what your looking for (i,e pics, to go pictures on the xmc) press triangle on the external hdd and select display all.carterhc

You don't need to create said folders. I have a HDD based media player and when set it to removable disk mode and connect to the PS3, the PS3 is able to recognise it and by choosing display all files I'm able to play the videos/music/photo etc.

The problem is that connecting a purely portable HDD to the PS3 it doesn't recognise the HDD at all, no icon appear under the respective folders etc.

It's quite puzzling that a HDD media player can be recognised by the PS3 whereas a portable HDD (formattedto FAT32) can't. I don't see any logical explanation unless there is a bug in the PS3 firmware.

#28 Posted by JoshCrumley100 (1 posts) -
actually, i think the ps3 uses the ext2 format for its harddrives. that is a linux-based format. the ps3 can read fat and fat32, but not ntfs.
#29 Posted by BealeCorner (6 posts) -
Interesting to hear about PS3 using EXT2. It is possible to connect an external USB format drive if it is EXT2 format?
#30 Posted by truenextgen (3911 posts) -

heh... you mean "Windows NT kernel" should be able to read both formats. Windows does not entirely equal PC, nor PS3 for that matter. It's all based on the Operating System....

In you're case you are catering to the PS3. If you refuse....then the PS3 will refuse, too

Threesixtyci

As the same goes for windows. Oh ok yea I see thats wha you did say :/

#31 Posted by paul52181 (1051 posts) -
I had a problem when I wanted to upgrade PS3 internal HDD from the stock 20GB to a 120GB. I have an external HDD, but I couldn't format the HDD to FAT32 in Windows XP. XP doesn't have a built-in utility to allow this. I had to download a program to do this, I can't remember what it's called, but I believe partition magic will do this as well. So I ran the utility to convert from NTFS to FAT32, backed up all my PS3 data onto the external HDD, removed the 20GB, popped in the 120GB, and restored the PS3 data from my external HDD. Wasn't too hard, but definitely time consuming.
#32 Posted by BealeCorner (6 posts) -

I just reformatted an 80 GB HDD to FAT32 in WinXP. Of course there is a 32 GB partition size limit so first you have to repartition the drive, once there is a partition size of 32 GB or smaller then you are offered the option to use FAT32. To do this in WinXP, go to Start-> Run: enter "compmgmt.msc" and then click OK. In the console tree, click Disk Management.
To create a new partition, right-click unallocated space on the basic disk where you want to create the partition, and then click New Partition. Specify 32000 MB or less if you intend a FAT32 format. This is described more fully here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309000/

#33 Posted by BealeCorner (6 posts) -
If you have a dl dvd-rw or tversity, you can get files larger than 4gbs into your ps3. I personally have 3 files one 4.6gb, 6.6gb, and 10.1gb in my ps3. i just stream the files through tversity and then use the copy option on the ps3 to put them into the system.carterhc

I would very much like to do this, with some larger .m2t files (1080i MPEG2 from my HDV camcorder). TVersity is working and I was able to stream a small .m2t around 1 GB size. All of my larger files, 8 or 9 GB do appear in the PS3 display as a filename at first, but when I try to play them I see "data corrupt" and they become inaccesible. Until reading your post I assumed it was a PS3 limitation to 4 GB on all files.

So, what file type did you get to work at > 4 GB? Is there something specific about my HDV .m2t MPEG2 format? Is there some TVersity or PS3 setting I have wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

#34 Posted by YourDaddy88 (923 posts) -

If FAT32 has a max file size of 4GB limit, then how is Devil May Cry 4 downloading a 5GB pre-load file to the HDD???

#35 Posted by paul52181 (1051 posts) -

I just reformatted an 80 GB HDD to FAT32 in WinXP. Of course there is a 32 GB partition size limit so first you have to repartition the drive, once there is a partition size of 32 GB or smaller then you are offered the option to use FAT32. To do this in WinXP, go to Start-> Run: enter "compmgmt.msc" and then click OK. In the console tree, click Disk Management.
To create a new partition, right-click unallocated space on the basic disk where you want to create the partition, and then click New Partition. Specify 32000 MB or less if you intend a FAT32 format. This is described more fully here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309000/

BealeCorner

You're right. I forgot about that. The reason I had the issue was because my external HDD is 160GB and it was partitioned to use the entire 160GB and that's why I had to use a program similar to partition magic in order to get that maximum 32GB that XP allows. From that point I was able to copy my PS3 data to the HDD.

#36 Posted by lokestar (956 posts) -
Quite suprised to see this topic revived. I still don't believe the ps3 format is fat32.
#37 Posted by BealeCorner (6 posts) -
I haven't seen any consensus about what the PS3 internal format is except it's non-standard and encrypted. AFAIK no one has sucessfully read an internal PS3 HD directly, so I'm not sure if it makes much difference... I'm just trying to view a >4 GB MPEG2 file. Small files work fine, but I can't get > 4 GB to work by any method. In his Dec.31 post, Carterhc says he'd got big files to work via TVersity. I've tried that and failed, so I'd love to know how to make it work.
#38 Posted by BealeCorner (6 posts) -
To followup my last post, I actually was able to stream >4 GB files via TVersity. Turns out the problem files had been rendered from Vegas 8, not camera original. They are supposedly standard HDV format, and in fact they were sucessfully written back to the Sony FX1 HDV camera and played back ok in-camera, but the PS3 choked on them, so there is obviously something different.
#39 Posted by lokestar (956 posts) -
Probably unrelated but NTFS is not the only thing with a 4GB limit. There is a Samba 4GB limit as well. For those who don't know what Samba is it allows Linux to communicate with Windoze. wiki it for more info.
#40 Posted by FlipC (17 posts) -

If FAT32 has a max file size of 4GB limit, then how is Devil May Cry 4 downloading a 5GB pre-load file to the HDD???

YourDaddy88

Because the PS3 doesn't use the FAT32 file system internally. It can however read and write to a FAT32 drive due to Microsoft's release of the specification free for the purposes of interoperability. They have not, however, released the NTFS spec in a similar manner; you need to licence (i.e. pay for) that.

#41 Posted by kipperbang (1 posts) -
Showing your internal PS3 hdd to windows can be a mistake back up your data first windows will want to initalize to drive which will wipe it. As for formatting an external drive my WD500gb firefly came already formatted in RAW and i have left it that way i use sever2003 r2 and windows, PS3 and LINUX all see it with no problems try formatting your drive with swisknife easily availabe to format large drives ive heard windows causes problems past 32GB.
#42 Posted by bdhoff (4104 posts) -

I'm not sure that it matters which is superior. Both file systems are adequate and have their own advantages and disadvantages. But Sony made the PS3 to only support FAT32, so that's what you have to use.

I guess my question for you is why do you want to use NTFS? Are you trying to use your external HDD on both your PS3 and your PC? If so you're going to need to reformat it to FAT32.

#43 Posted by kluzing (2 posts) -
Actually i have a Iomega 500gb external HDD, with the NTFS format, and the PS3 recognized it, so I started the back up data utility, and it works fine so far, I don't understand, I thought the ps3 only supported FAT32 format?!
#44 Posted by bluem00se (2185 posts) -
I hate FAT32, but yeah sadly you have to use it for PS3. It makes no sense why they would use a format that limits the maximum size of any one file to 4 GB, especially since they let you put HD videos on your PS3 in HD formats, yet don't let you surpass 4GB. Stupid.
#45 Posted by EmperorSupreme (7661 posts) -
Actually i have a Iomega 500gb external HDD, with the NTFS format, and the PS3 recognized it, so I started the back up data utility, and it works fine so far, I don't understand, I thought the ps3 only supported FAT32 format?!kluzing
Your Iomega must be formatted FAT32. I use FAT32 on all the drives I can that way I don't run into issues with incompatibility. Everything recognizes FAT32. NTFS is a windows format. It use to stand for Windows "NT Format System"
#46 Posted by danger-oz (1 posts) -
i recently converted my external HDD to ntfs so that i could transfer a file bigger than 4gig to it and now want to play it on the ps3. How do i easily convert it back to fat32 so that i can put it on my ps3 internal HDD? Cheers
#47 Posted by Flamuel (236 posts) -

[QUOTE="danger-oz"]i recently converted my external HDD to ntfs so that i could transfer a file bigger than 4gig to it and now want to play it on the ps3. How do i easily convert it back to fat32 so that i can put it on my ps3 internal HDD? Cheers

Connect the External to your PC

Find it in My computer

Right click and select 'Format'

Select FAT 32

P.S FAT32 is used in PS3 so that you can't illegally DL games (which would be larger than 4GB)

#48 Posted by darkman006 (927 posts) -

[QUOTE="danger-oz"]i recently converted my external HDD to ntfs so that i could transfer a file bigger than 4gig to it and now want to play it on the ps3. How do i easily convert it back to fat32 so that i can put it on my ps3 internal HDD? CheersFlamuel

Connect the External to your PC

Find it in My computer

Right click and select 'Format'

Select FAT 32

P.S FAT32 is used in PS3 so that you can't illegally DL games (which would be larger than 4GB)

The FAT32 selection was not found in my Windows Vista. I bought a 500GB External HDD and only saw NTSF and exFAT.

#49 Posted by lencarv (1 posts) -

I was able to use my NTFS external WD passport usb drive on my PS3 Slim 250GB, and then today it wont recognize my drive. I was able to transfermovies, play directly from the drive, etc, I just did the latest update two days ago so I am wondering if something was changed by Sony. And dont reply and say that its FAT32. I hooked up another NTFS drive and PS3 doesnt see it either.