60GB (Phat) PS3 Owners - YLOD - Fix It Before It Happens - 56k Warning

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#1 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -

YLOD - Fix It Before It Happens

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**This may or may not fix your YLOD problem. The YLOD could mean many different things. This is for the majority of 60GB "Phat" PS3 owners who are experiencing problems due to OVERHEATING. It's highly recommended that you do this anyway (if you own a 60GB model) to keep your PS3 cool and possibly extend its life span.**

Afraid of getting the YLOD?

Did you get the YLOD and want to get your launch PS3 back up on its feet (not guaranteed to work, but it's worth a shot)?

Well, you've come to the right place. ;)

This guide is for 60GB (Phat) PS3 owners only. If you own a new PS3 slim, this really isn't necessary (yet).

Replacing Thermal Compound

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For a guide on how to disassemble your PS3, click here.

  • Once you have your PS3 completely taken apart, your CPU and GPU should be exposed and it should look something like this:


  • Looks horrible, doesn't it?
  • This is one of the main reasons you guys are getting hardware failures (YLOD) on your PS3s. Thermal compound should be replaced around every two years. This is long overdue and further use could damage the CPU/GPU.

  • The stock thermal compound isn't looking so good. Time to replace it to extend the life of your PS3. :)
  • The next step is to clean the old stuff off. I highly recommend using rubbing alcohol and some cotton swabs.

  • Just dab the cotton swab in the alcohol and wipe it all off. Make sure its all nice and dry and it should look something like this:

  • Now, it's time to put on the new stuff. :) I recommend the best - Arctic Silver 5

  • If you give the Arctic Silver 5 around two weeks to cure, it should be able to preform as well as Tuniq's TX-2. If you want instant results, just get the Tuniq TX-2 or Arctic Cooling MX-2.

  • Just put a little dab of it on your RSX and CELL (pea-size amount).
  • I'm sorry that I don't have a picture of me applying the thermal paste, but here are a few images that demonstrate how much is needed.

  • Don't bother spreading it around. Just place the heatsink back on, apply pressure, then lift it off. It should look something like this.

  • That's the perfect amount. ;)
  • When your PS3 is all together again, turn it on and leave it run idle for awhile to let it heat up and spread a little more.
  • After that, you're done! You should see results within the next few days (depending on how long you play on your PS3).
  • If you used MX-2 or Tuniq's TX-2, you should see results almost immediately. That stuff cures very fast.

#2 Posted by samuraiguns (11588 posts) -

the only reason the thermal compound is fail is because they use that crap, cheap ceramic stuff.

SONY, I WILL HAVE MY VENGEANCE!

#3 Posted by dared3vil0 (1254 posts) -

I dunno, But maybe Sticky this?

#4 Posted by Jettero-Heller (4289 posts) -

Ne freaking way am I smrat enough to do that. Cool slides though.:)

#5 Posted by 11_17_06 (762 posts) -

This will come in use if my 60 gb decides, to defect on me.

#6 Posted by samuraiguns (11588 posts) -

Oh, and Riku did yours die?

#7 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -

Oh, and Riku did yours die?

samuraiguns
Nope. I just did this yesterday. I took all the pictures so I could make this guide for you guys. My PS3 is cool and quiet now (even with a 7200RPM hard drive in there).
#8 Posted by link7654 (3442 posts) -

So does this only affect 60GB owners? I have a slim so I'm worried about having to do this in 2 years...

#9 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -

So does this only affect 60GB owners? I have a slim so I'm worried about having to do this in 2 years...

link7654

I would probably do this to your Slim in a few years to be safe. My 60GB PS3 was over three years old when I replaced my thermal paste. I'm not sure if Sony uses the same crappy ceramic paste on all PS3 models.

#10 Posted by TehSonofUgly (1643 posts) -

I had to do this after my 60gb overheated and got YLoD, it's really not to hard to take apart a PS3 (just remember where the screws go and you're good ;)) So if you're thinking about doing it, or if your PS3 gets YLoD, you probably should try this before shelling out a ton of money.

Also I've heard good things about ThermalFusion 400 compound, haven't tried it myself yet though.

#11 Posted by wooooode (16665 posts) -
The thermal paste needs to be spread out or you are going to cause more damage than good. It is ment to make an even contact throughout the entire surface to allow the most possible heat transfer from valuable parts. With it only on like 50% of the surface you will not get very good results.
#12 Posted by Denji (12757 posts) -

Damn, where were you in late 2008?:lol:

Every two years eh? Sounds realistic to me since my first one quit on me a year and ten months. A lot better to fix it myself than to pay $190 that I don't really have to spare.

But I have to ask though. On the first instance of YLOD, is it reversible? Or is it considered dead once it hits? Because my first wasn't "two years" to be exact, but I don't really want to have to dissemble my PS3 "every year" either. Especially if I have to go out and find that paste.

Great thread though! One of the very RARE useful threads on here. Mods, make this a sticky will ya??

#13 Posted by Denji (12757 posts) -

I had to do this after my 60gb overheated and got YLoD, it's really not to hard to take apart a PS3 (just remember where the screws go and you're good ;)) So if you're thinking about doing it, or if your PS3 gets YLoD, you probably should try this before shelling out a ton of money.

Also I've heard good things about ThermalFusion 400 compound, haven't tried it myself yet though.

TehSonofUgly

So this method did work once it occurred...?

#14 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -

I had to do this after my 60gb overheated and got YLoD, it's really not to hard to take apart a PS3 (just remember where the screws go and you're good ;)) So if you're thinking about doing it, or if your PS3 gets YLoD, you probably should try this before shelling out a ton of money.

Also I've heard good things about ThermalFusion 400 compound, haven't tried it myself yet though.

TehSonofUgly

That stuff is awesome. Tuniq TX-2 is up there as well.

#15 Posted by TehSonofUgly (1643 posts) -

But I have to ask though. On the first instance of YLOD, is it reversible? Or is it considered dead once it hits?

Denji

Yep it's reversal (if it's just an overheating problem due to bad thermal paste), however running your PS3 really hot can make you run into a slew of other problems. Better to be safe than sorry.

#16 Posted by Denji (12757 posts) -

[QUOTE="Denji"]

But I have to ask though. On the first instance of YLOD, is it reversible? Or is it considered dead once it hits?

TehSonofUgly

Yep it's reversal (if it's just an overheating problem due to bad thermal paste), however running your PS3 really hot can make you run into a slew of other problems. Better to be safe than sorry.

That's good to hear! (read)

At least it's a solution. I wouldn't doubt disconnecting it's power the second it happens and wait till it cools off will help it before attempting this. But I would hope it's just paste though. Especially if your PS3 is well ventilated and not abused.

#17 Posted by JamalH (50 posts) -

Simple actually, i myself have built all my own PC's so this will be a cake walk.

Got some Mx-3 here too, my 40Gb is out of warranty anyway so ill just do this when it YLOD, if ever.

#18 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -

Wow, I didn't realize that TX2 was the best thermal compound out right now. :o

To anyone who hasn't done this yet - Get TX2.

#19 Posted by Jettero-Heller (4289 posts) -

Wow, I didn't realize that TX2 was the best thermal compound out right now. :o

To anyone who hasn't done this yet - Get TX2.

Rikusaki

I would assume that this paste is available at hardware/electronics suppliers??

#20 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Wow, I didn't realize that TX2 was the best thermal compound out right now. :o

To anyone who hasn't done this yet - Get TX2.

Jettero-Heller

I would assume that this paste is available at hardware/electronics suppliers??

Yep. You can get this stuff on NewEgg.

#21 Posted by Chaos_Bladez (5801 posts) -
91 platinum trophies? Damn! It takes a lot of trophies to get me impressed. :P Cool guide, I had no idea this was a problem. How do I know when to do this? I haven't had any problems with my PS3 (aside from Assassin's Creed 2 making my PS3 freeze 4 times back in January).
#22 Posted by gamer082009 (6679 posts) -
I have a Slim..so I don't have to worry I suppse! :D
#23 Posted by SikKwuN (1441 posts) -
ty riku! you rock my socks. :3
#24 Posted by envybianchi (1153 posts) -

Thank you Rikusaki! I will get the Tuniq TX-2 Thermal Paste & try to fix my 60GB PS3. If it works, great! You will save me an extra $300 but if it doesn't, I have nothing to lose since my 60GB has been dead since last Christmas & I'll just get a Slim as planned.

MODS - Please Sticky this! It will be helpful in the future for those who get the YLOD & want a Do It Yourself Guide.

Edit - Not complaining but I went to Newegg to get the Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound & the shipping cost is nearly $16.00 to Hawaii. Uh...... WTF? How much does this Thermal Paste weigh? I mean holy turd on a stick. That's a freaking rip-off if I've ever seen one!

Does anyone have a recommendation for Thermal Paste off of www.amazon.com with their Free Super Saver Shipping Deal? I would appreciate it! Only one I see so far is Arctic Silver 5. Is that ok compared to the TX-2? Thank you in advance!

#25 Posted by envybianchi (1153 posts) -

91 platinum trophies? Damn! It takes a lot of trophies to get me impressed. :P Cool guide, I had no idea this was a problem. How do I know when to do this? I haven't had any problems with my PS3 (aside from Assassin's Creed 2 making my PS3 freeze 4 times back in January).Chaos_Bladez

Ryusaki, that is quite amazing. I thought anyone over Level 10 was doing well with collecting trophies but nevermind that. He just blew it out of the water with Level 37.

#26 Posted by Scianix-Black (19295 posts) -

God damnit, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME THIS SOONER RIKU?

Sticky, NOW.

#27 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -
[QUOTE="Chaos_Bladez"]91 platinum trophies? Damn! It takes a lot of trophies to get me impressed. :P Cool guide, I had no idea this was a problem. How do I know when to do this? I haven't had any problems with my PS3 (aside from Assassin's Creed 2 making my PS3 freeze 4 times back in January).

If you still own a 60GB "phat" PS3, I would do it as soon as possible.
#28 Posted by hazelnutman (9699 posts) -

Wow, great guide!

Sounds like my PS3 should be good as new after this procedure.

I just recently ordered a new laser to replace the broken one I have, and with this thermal paste business, I guess I'll be disc-read-error and YLOD-free for at least a few months :D Thanks!

#29 Posted by ForsakenWicked (3731 posts) -
Great info. I don't have a 60GB model but I do have a40GB non BC model and I might do this soon to prevent any type of damage.
#30 Posted by nikeswoosh (899 posts) -
Ya even if the mods don't sticky this im still gonna bookmark it cuz Ive got the 250 gig slim and it gets hot and idk if my MW2 disc getting cracked was a sign but i had my ps3 on none stop for like 4 days and i cant afford a new ps3 and i don't like the fact of opening it but 90 day warrt is about up.I have also built some computers so this should be no prob just getting the thermal paste since i don't got a debit/credit card and a money order would take to long since newegg is the only site that does it but def thx for the post made me start thinkin to do this sooner than later i wish sony didnt use that cheap stuff arctic silver 5 isnt even expensive and that would have been alot better.
#31 Posted by Dogswithguns (10707 posts) -
too late, mine already ylod, and I did opened and fixed myself and die again after two weeks, and the thermal looked just like the pic you shown pretty nasty.... anyway, got back from Sony repaired running good now.
#32 Posted by ProjectTrinity (1262 posts) -
Huh. You think the forums start to grow stale and BAM, along comes a user I've never seen before posting something that applies directly to me and my 60gig. We need more people like you! I request a sticky!
#33 Posted by GrandJury (15396 posts) -
Very informative guide, if not sticky it belongs in that *Please read* section with all of the useful links.
#34 Posted by --Rob-- (376 posts) -
I was under the impression that when a PS3 YLODs it is not due to bad thermal paste, but rather due to the solder connections on cpu/gpu coming loose. The paste is reaplied, but it is neither the problem, or the solution to YLOD. My 80gig died over a week ago and Ive read/watched just about everything I could find on "YLOD fixes", not one of them has ever mentioned the thermal paste as the fix itself. Also, you need a much better coating of paste than the OP reccomended, not just a small dab in the middle. Here is the most popular I found (also worked for me): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Ic1_TY-GU
#35 Posted by cmpepper23 (3256 posts) -

I'm contemplating doing this, but my problem is artifacting similar to this. So I'm wondering does this mean my gpu is already shot or will reapplying new thermal paste fix the issue?

#36 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -

I was under the impression that when a PS3 YLODs it is not due to bad thermal paste, but rather due to the solder connections on cpu/gpu coming loose. The paste is reaplied, but it is neither the problem, or the solution to YLOD. My 80gig died over a week ago and Ive read/watched just about everything I could find on "YLOD fixes", not one of them has ever mentioned the thermal paste as the fix itself. Also, you need a much better coating of paste than the OP reccomended, not just a small dab in the middle. Here is the most popular I found (also worked for me): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Ic1_TY-GU--Rob--
If you are using AC5, you should put no more than the amount shown in the OP. Any other thermal paste that has more fluidity than AC5 would probably require a bit more.

#37 Posted by nelson415 (1807 posts) -

Good job on this bro! very helpful to the 60GB owners!

#38 Posted by Rikusaki (16365 posts) -

Remember, it's not necessary to spread out the paste. Actually, it's better if you didn't.

These charts prove that allowing the thermal compound to spread out naturally gives you much better results.

#39 Posted by DropTarget (375 posts) -

Wait, are you meaning to say that I paid $180 to get my PS3 repaired when that is all they probably do at the Sony repair center? What a complete rip off.

#40 Posted by damnet (254 posts) -

Yeah, I've been thing about doing this by the end of this year (my ps3 completes 2 years in august), though it is a 40GB model, I've reard that the 40GB ones comes with a way better Thermal paste then the BC models, so I don't know.

Do you guys think it's necessary?

#42 Posted by bobaban (10555 posts) -

I had to do this after my 60gb overheated and got YLoD, it's really not to hard to take apart a PS3 (just remember where the screws go and you're good ;)) So if you're thinking about doing it, or if your PS3 gets YLoD, you probably should try this before shelling out a ton of money.

Also I've heard good things about ThermalFusion 400 compound, haven't tried it myself yet though.

TehSonofUgly
So did your PS3 work after you re-applied the paste? I can do this stuff, but I personally don't think my PS3 will fail. I've never had issues with any of my systems.
#43 Posted by 4NGoods (1025 posts) -

The thermal paste needs to be spread out or you are going to cause more damage than good. It is ment to make an even contact throughout the entire surface to allow the most possible heat transfer from valuable parts. With it only on like 50% of the surface you will not get very good results.wooooode

This is absolutely correct. The bead method of applying it (illustrated above) is meant for specific types of pc processors, such as single or dual core, where the chips are positioned closer to the center. The Cell processor configuration is much different than a standard PC processor. Therefore it's important to spread the compound evenly around the processor otherwise you will not have adequate heat dissipation. The manufacture of AS5 also suggest different methods of apllication depending on what type of processor you have so i highly sugguest you dont use the bead method on the ps3.

Of course i wouldnt recommend anyone doing this if i havent done it myself first and i promise you it'll do wonders for your ps3.

#44 Posted by TehSonofUgly (1643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="--Rob--"]I was under the impression that when a PS3 YLODs it is not due to bad thermal paste, but rather due to the solder connections on cpu/gpu coming loose. The paste is reaplied, but it is neither the problem, or the solution to YLOD. My 80gig died over a week ago and Ive read/watched just about everything I could find on "YLOD fixes", not one of them has ever mentioned the thermal paste as the fix itself. Also, you need a much better coating of paste than the OP reccomended, not just a small dab in the middle. Here is the most popular I found (also worked for me): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Ic1_TY-GU--Rob--

If you are using AC5, you should put no more than the amount shown in the OP. Any other thermal paste that has more fluidity than AC5 would probably require a bit more.

thats the extent of your reply?

"The paste is neither the cause, or fix for YLOD"

Care to address? As I already said, your OP seems at odds with every other YLOD fix article Ive seen. You got a lot of ignorant people running around happy here, extraneous charts about thermal paste performance and application were really the least of my concern with your OP.

Well it seems that most of the problems is just overheating that comes from bad thermal paste. Now YLoD could actually be any number of problems from a dead PSU to bad solders, but for the most part its just this. And really the reason why there might be solder connections coming loose is because of the board warping from overheating (this was the big issue with 360, heat + X-clamps = RRoD) so it's best to do this anyway to keep your PS3 running cool so you dont encounter those other problems.

#45 Posted by TehSonofUgly (1643 posts) -

[QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]

I had to do this after my 60gb overheated and got YLoD, it's really not to hard to take apart a PS3 (just remember where the screws go and you're good ;)) So if you're thinking about doing it, or if your PS3 gets YLoD, you probably should try this before shelling out a ton of money.

Also I've heard good things about ThermalFusion 400 compound, haven't tried it myself yet though.

bobaban

So did your PS3 work after you re-applied the paste? I can do this stuff, but I personally don't think my PS3 will fail. I've never had issues with any of my systems.

Yeah it did and has been running fine since late June. I also spent a lot of time cleaning out dust too (the previous owner must not of had a vacuum :P)

#46 Posted by Kahuna_1 (7948 posts) -

Arctic **** Silver did not fix my problem. I am going to use flux and Innovation Cooling 7 Diamond compound. Hope that this will be a permanent fix.

#47 Posted by shabab12 (2613 posts) -

Remember, it's not necessary to spread out the paste. Actually, it's better if you didn't.

These charts prove that allowing the thermal compound to spread out naturally gives you much better results.

Rikusaki

your graph dosent have a y axis label, can i ask what it is?

#48 Posted by tamabeast04 (525 posts) -

some games like uncharted 2 and badcompany 2 (bad co. 1 also) and GTA to name a few cause my fan to kick in to high gear, whereas games like demon's souls do not. I imagine it has something to do with the processing and overall temperature of the unit... I have had my 40gb model (using a 250 gb hddrive now) for just over two years. I wonder if this will do a better job of heat dissipation? I have my doubts though because if I open my balcony door the fan eventually backs down. My ps3 just seems to be extremely sensitive to heat, and just to clarify, it is sitting on a completely open tv stand, no back or front or sides (it's glass, pretty nice haha).

#49 Posted by TehSonofUgly (1643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Remember, it's not necessary to spread out the paste. Actually, it's better if you didn't.

These charts prove that allowing the thermal compound to spread out naturally gives you much better results.

shabab12

your graph dosent have a y axis label, can i ask what it is?

Degrees Celsius.

#50 Posted by MushroomWig (11637 posts) -

Great post :]

I just wish I saw something like this before my console suffered the YLOD.