WTF happened to PC gaming? (FPS)

I got into PC gaming like 10 years ago it had games coming from everywhere and they looked great! Each new FPS game looked improved graphically and kicked ass. WTF happened to FPS games are made for PC blah blah....If you dont like RPG or MMO game's are you pretty screwed these days? No wonder IW pulled the stunt of no dedicated servers or mods. 5 years ago they would of been skinned alive now they just get fired outrageous!:evil:

The majority of FPS games are still superior on the PC rather than consoles, I think.

developers dont like us as much anymore,

hardware is starting to catch up to crysis and all the other modern games we need a new game that will utterly destroy hardware like crysis did, those were the good old days.

I think I would care a lot more if I actually cared about FPS... but since I don't, I love the fact that RPGs and MMOs are getting a resurgence and growing stronger and better on the PC. :)ChiliDragon

[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"]I think I would care a lot more if I actually cared about FPS... but since I don't, I love the fact that RPGs and MMOs are getting a resurgence and growing stronger and better on the PC. :)jwsoul

[QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="ChiliDragon"]I think I would care a lot more if I actually cared about FPS... but since I don't, I love the fact that RPGs and MMOs are getting a resurgence and growing stronger and better on the PC. :)ChiliDragon

the only really good single player fps ive played recently on any platform was stalker call of pripyat, Before that it was cryotasis. So ya it does suck that the fps genre is in a slump, but oh well. The next big one should be portal 2, and although it will be on console the pc version will be so vastly superior ill feel like it never was on console. Half-Life, Half-Life 2, Quake etc all got some sort of console treatment, none of them are really worth playing on console imo.

on side topic, good rpgs as of late on pc have been divinity 2, drakensang, risen, dragon age etc... most of them made it to console, but the console versions are just abominations. xbox 360 gets plenty of pc ports, being dx9 and all... most those pc to xbox 360 ports are just turds though.

Oh just to add say just an opinion of course seems a bit week stick by your convictions and shove what over people say on a forum. If i was to argue otherwise just give it back some i hate this just an opinion stuff lol :) jwsoul

[QUOTE="jwsoul"]Oh just to add say just an opinion of course seems a bit week stick by your convictions and shove what over people say on a forum. If i was to argue otherwise just give it back some i hate this just an opinion stuff lol :) ChiliDragon

The world economy took a devastating hit which effected the consumer's ability to fund their gaming escapades on the PC and in turn hindered the developer's ability to support the platform. This is seen in the direct correlation between the success of the current gaming platforms and their respective prices, with the Wii being the cheapest and most successful and the PC being the most expensive and least successful.

The world economy took a devastating hit which effected the consumer's ability to fund their gaming escapades on the PC and in turn hindered the developer's ability to support the platform. This is seen in the direct correlation between the success of the current gaming platforms and their respective prices, with the Wii being the cheapest and most successful and the PC being the most expensive and least successful.

MaxGamer

what is with these threads, they are getting on my nerves. All I ever get to do on here is defend pc gaming, its not system wars. I could care less about stupid consoles and what pc games they get crappy ports of. I also could care less about stupid games like halo or alan wake that I wouldnt play if someone gave them to me.

enough is enough

[QUOTE="MaxGamer"]

The world economy took a devastating hit which effected the consumer's ability to fund their gaming escapades on the PC and in turn hindered the developer's ability to support the platform. This is seen in the direct correlation between the success of the current gaming platforms and their respective prices, with the Wii being the cheapest and most successful and the PC being the most expensive and least successful.

TerrorRizzing

Success in terms of raw sales figures. PC developers haven't been selling hardware at a loss for the past 5 years.

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

[QUOTE="MaxGamer"]

The world economy took a devastating hit which effected the consumer's ability to fund their gaming escapades on the PC and in turn hindered the developer's ability to support the platform. This is seen in the direct correlation between the success of the current gaming platforms and their respective prices, with the Wii being the cheapest and most successful and the PC being the most expensive and least successful.

MaxGamer

Success in terms of raw sales figures. PC developers haven't been selling hardware at a loss for the past 5 years.

I have to say even though we get the ports, gaming on the PC is way better, just in terms of hardware. I am unbiased in this regard because I played a lot on the PS3 and while it is great fun play games such as God of War 3 and racing games, for FPS, its just not comfortable.
So I think we are actually better off. chandu83

check my thread here for the state of pc gaming in 2010http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27317186

I dont really agree with the TC... the PC industry took a slow down when PS3 and 360 hit the market, and then the recession hit. People are less likely to buy computers so more console type games will come out. However, the future does look promising for PC gaming. People need to understand that things go in cycles. PC will not always be on top nor will it always be on bottom. Also, who cares if games are not exclusive anymore... thats just the nature of the beast. Crysis 2 will more than likely be a great game.... so will Battlefield 3.... Homefront looks good, though Kaos is making it so Im not holding my breath. Also with the new MechWarrior game announced a few months back. In a year or two we will start to see a lot more games come to the PC... the PC is too unique and powerful not to be recognized.

Singularity's the next big FPS. I can't wait to play it.... But I expect it to be a monstrous sales flop and Raven's last title - a massive shame since Raven always nails FPS gameplay.

ARMA2, Crysis, TF2 (100000 times better then console version), Stalker series, Crysis Warehead.... did you miss those?

Not to mention the best version of Battlefield Bad Company and Metro?

Does any one else have a feeling in there gut like i do..That diablo 3 is going to the xbox as well..Sort of like they did with sacred 2..It would kill me if they did that move..Some how some way i think its coming..Not sure why its just a stupid gut feeling ive got..If that happens than pc gaming is truly dead..Im shocked that microsoft doesnt want mmorpgs on the box...Next gen xbox i bet will see some online games..

Does any one else have a feeling in there gut like i do..That diablo 3 is going to the xbox as well..Sort of like they did with sacred 2..It would kill me if they did that move..Some how some way i think its coming..Not sure why its just a stupid gut feeling ive got..If that happens than pc gaming is truly dead..Im shocked that microsoft doesnt want mmorpgs on the box...Next gen xbox i bet will see some online games..

Gladestone1

ARMA2, Crysis, TF2 (100000 times better then console version), Stalker series, Crysis Warehead.... did you miss those?

Not to mention the best version of Battlefield Bad Company and Metro?

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Does any one else have a feeling in there gut like i do..That diablo 3 is going to the xbox as well..Sort of like they did with sacred 2..It would kill me if they did that move..Some how some way i think its coming..Not sure why its just a stupid gut feeling ive got..If that happens than pc gaming is truly dead..Im shocked that microsoft doesnt want mmorpgs on the box...Next gen xbox i bet will see some online games..

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

ARMA2, Crysis, TF2 (100000 times better then console version), Stalker series, Crysis Warehead.... did you miss those?

Not to mention the best version of Battlefield Bad Company and Metro?

o0squishy0o

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Does any one else have a feeling in there gut like i do..That diablo 3 is going to the xbox as well..Sort of like they did with sacred 2..It would kill me if they did that move..Some how some way i think its coming..Not sure why its just a stupid gut feeling ive got..If that happens than pc gaming is truly dead..Im shocked that microsoft doesnt want mmorpgs on the box...Next gen xbox i bet will see some online games..

Birdy09

[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Does any one else have a feeling in there gut like i do..That diablo 3 is going to the xbox as well..Sort of like they did with sacred 2..It would kill me if they did that move..Some how some way i think its coming..Not sure why its just a stupid gut feeling ive got..If that happens than pc gaming is truly dead..Im shocked that microsoft doesnt want mmorpgs on the box...Next gen xbox i bet will see some online games..

GeneralShowzer

Because the old FPS for PC are so amazing, why make new games when you can play Css 1.6, HL2, quake 3 etc?Dr_Brocoli

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Birdy09"] More often than not the intellectual property is effected to cater to the new audiance, thats where the loss usually is...Birdy09

What im saying is the pc needs a few good exclusives..Like starcraft 2, like dawn of war 2...We have so few these days..Diablo 3 should stay a pc game period..Ya i no they would loose a lot of cash how ever i think they still will make a ton..With starcraft 2 an diablo 3..Pc gamers such as myself old timers would want to see diablo remain on the pc..Its just a respect thing..Own a xbox so dont get me wrong i love it..Its just a thing ive got with diablo an certain games like simcity need to remain a pc game only..

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Diablo was never really a demanding and complex PC game. It can be ported to consoles with great ease, so i don't see why not. It is and always will be a PC game. You are acting as if only now PC games get ported to consoles, while in fact i know that i played Warcraft II on PS.Gladestone1

What im saying is the pc needs a few good exclusives..Like starcraft 2, like dawn of war 2...We have so few these days..Diablo 3 should stay a pc game period..Ya i no they would loose a lot of cash how ever i think they still will make a ton..With starcraft 2 an diablo 3..Pc gamers such as myself old timers would want to see diablo remain on the pc..Its just a respect thing..Own a xbox so dont get me wrong i love it..Its just a thing ive got with diablo an certain games like simcity need to remain a pc game only..

[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] I just explained the logic, I didnt say I agreed or thought that way ;) .... but it does happen alot. not saying it would with Diablo 3.GeneralShowzer

What im saying is the pc needs a few good exclusives..Like starcraft 2, like dawn of war 2...We have so few these days..Diablo 3 should stay a pc game period..Ya i no they would loose a lot of cash how ever i think they still will make a ton..With starcraft 2 an diablo 3..Pc gamers such as myself old timers would want to see diablo remain on the pc..Its just a respect thing..Own a xbox so dont get me wrong i love it..Its just a thing ive got with diablo an certain games like simcity need to remain a pc game only..

Its not like the old days. I remember starting with Quake 2. Lots of good games coming out during that time; Shogo, Powerslide, Alice, the Soldier of Fortune games, Decent 2, Diablo 2, etc...there was a lot of variety and not too many console ports. PC gaming was a completley different world and seperate from consoles. Now it is the complete opposite. PC gaming, in a sense, has died right before our eyes, slowly, and changed into something else. Good or bad, pc gaming in 2010 is not the same as it was 10 or more years ago.

FPS are generally really short in the number of gameplay hours. I rather go for stuff like Just Cause 2 if i want a shooter.

Its not like the old days. I remember starting with Quake 2. Lots of good games coming out during that time; Shogo, Powerslide, Alice, the Soldier of Fortune games, Decent 2, Diablo 2, etc...there was a lot of variety and not too many console ports. PC gaming was a completley different world and seperate from consoles. Now it is the complete opposite. PC gaming, in a sense, has died right before our eyes, slowly, and changed into something else. Good or bad, pc gaming in 2010 is not the same as it was 10 or more years ago.

Videodogg

I agree that their are a ton of great old pc fps's but I think some great ones are coming out soon. Such as Crysis 2, Rage, Deus Ex 3, and Fallout: New Vegas. Yet all of these are coming out on console as well. I could care less about 'PC' exclusive games, as long as they port the game correctly, I'm happy.

I dropped FPS except for Borderlands. The others are simply too linear.

Give me open-world WRPGs: you get storylines, open exploration, decision branches, everything a FPS cannot match.

No wonder IW pulled the stunt of no dedicated servers or mods. 5 years ago they would of been skinned alive now they just get fired outrageous!:evil:

mattuk69

Infinity Ward pulled the stunt of no dedicated servers or mods because (a) they wanted to sell you DLC at inflated prices, and (b) because after the original CoD they made it quite clear they wanted to be a console game developer, but ActiVision said no.

Also, people getting fired from IW had nothing to do with the design decisions of their games.

Now, when it comes to FPS games, I think they are all more technically proficient than in the past, and the graphics are generally good enough. The problem I see with the genre is that the games nowadays are too short, too linear, lacking in story, and the level design and variety of gameplay leaves a lot to be desired. Too many FPS games are trying to become linear 'cinematic' experiences, like a movie, when in my view the very strength of being a game is that you can open up the world and allow the player to do what they want.

Blame the Xbox and Halo. This pretty much legitimized FPSs for consoles on a grand scale. The Xbox when it came out was more powerful graphically than any PC at the time, had a hit game to match it, and a couple years later had a well built online service that was more fully appreciated with Halo 2 releasing. Since then Live has pretty much been the driving force for the brand, making the games social and multiplayer is king. The console FPSs are fully centric in that ideal, and that's what makes them so successful. Then you have the "costs" of PC gaming, the frustrations of lazy people unwilling to learn hardware who'd much rather spend less money for a console that gets them the ability to play the games they want anyways as well as provide a good service for multiplayer gaming. The Xbox is pretty much a well defined and built brand based upon the console itself, Xbox Live, good software, and the continued faith of the customer. They did an excellent job, despite the investment related risks, the lead loss model, and going against a disruptive technology like the Wii only to end up having to concede to the newly established market the Wii created by MS having to create Natal. I think the next generation could be a turn around for games on the PC, as the case with the next generation of consoles might really mean barely improved systems in terms of CPU/GPU/memory in which case the PC will have an even more immense capability lead, especially in laptops where a buyer can purchase a well to do system only need to make a couple configuration decisions and have a gaming machine ready to go that will readily beat a console's graphics 5-6x over. PC gaming will always have a host of small and independent studios that make PC centric or exclusive titles because the PC platform is essentially free for them to release on with no royalties except to either a publisher or digitial distribution service. It's a cheaper investment to a possibly larger market of players. That pretty much explains why PC gaming can't die as long as PCs are still around. Then you have all these "free" FPSs being made that actually are successful. With a possible resurgence of the non-MMO market on PC, I think we'll see more quality stuff in the future.

As for capabilities and feature sets, the consoles have a very good feature set, pretty much the same as most computers except in a few regards, but basically the same. The problem is mostly the memory, and secondly the fillrates. A game like the first Crysis is first of all too much of a memory strain in order to meet the high graphics settings established in Crysis on PC. With a good LOD system, the game could still be well rendered but would still suffer even if memory isn't an issue and the levels themselves would have to be more linear in design. Crysis at high settings really needs about 512 MB of VRAM to run well and smoothly and that's as much as either the 360 or PS3 have total of course.

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If your going to focus on only 1 genre then you're likely to be disappointed whichever platform you choose to game on. With the exception of a select few almost all FPS are multiplat.

Your point about the pc being only for RPG's and MMO's is complete bull. Try looking beyond just what it is hyped up by the media and you'll see the pc has far more depth and variety to offer.

The majority of FPS games are still superior on the PC rather than consoles, I think.

Ikavnieks

Agreed! The PC is superior due to the mouse. It's just frustrating playing a FPS on a console with a controller.

[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"][QUOTE="jwsoul"] Care to fill me in on these RPGs im missing out on? I mean really what has been released RPG wise for the PC only recently thats a good RPG? jwsoul

And you don't know about dragon age? It is a great game and sure there isn't much rpg out but there have never been that many rpg on pc anyway.

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

ARMA2, Crysis, TF2 (100000 times better then console version), Stalker series, Crysis Warehead.... did you miss those?

Not to mention the best version of Battlefield Bad Company and Metro?

GeneralShowzer

And you don't know about dragon age? It is a great game and sure there isn't much rpg out but there have never been that many rpg on pc anyway.

liffi

[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

Does any one else have a feeling in there gut like i do..That diablo 3 is going to the xbox as well..Sort of like they did with sacred 2..It would kill me if they did that move..Some how some way i think its coming..Not sure why its just a stupid gut feeling ive got..If that happens than pc gaming is truly dead..Im shocked that microsoft doesnt want mmorpgs on the box...Next gen xbox i bet will see some online games..

GeneralShowzer

Singularity's the next big FPS. I can't wait to play it.... But I expect it to be a monstrous sales flop and Raven's last title - a massive shame since Raven always nails FPS gameplay.

Baranga