Violence in vidoe games

OK at joystiq.com theres a video on a one sided debate about how video gaems caused things like comlinbine(mispell), virginia tech shooting and other things. NOt I dont get it. I personally balme parents for not regualting this.

Parents adn peers are the main reason for this.

OK at joystiq.com theres a video on a one sided debate about how video gaems caused things like comlinbine(mispell), virginia tech shooting and other things. NOt I dont get it. I personally balme parents for not regualting this.

Parents adn peers are the main reason for this.

Miles0T0Prower

I blame two things.

First, I blame stores andwhatever group is responsible for rating game (ESRB?). The rating system is a complete joke imo, and the fact that stores dont regulate the sales reinforces this fact. In the states I find it rediculous that we have a seperate rating system. Adults Only? WTF is that? Whats an adult exactly? According to the Torah its this age, and according to my parents it this age!

We need it to be the same as movie ratings: G, PG, PG13, R, NC17, Unrated, and Adult (read: semi-pornographic). Either that or the ESRB needs to reevaluate how it does things.

Second, I blame parents. Whenever you watch these shows on these killers, you never see their parents and you always hear about how they didnt have anyone in their life. I mean these kids are given too much distance: you dont need to smother your kids, but let them know you are present and if they spend a lot of time in the shed with that friend of theirs you think is a punk, by all means INVADE THEIR PRIVACY! YOU ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS UNTIL THEY ARE OUT OF YOUR HOUSE!

I think Marilyn Manson said it best. When asked by a reporter about what he would say if he could talk to the Columbine killers, Manson said this: "I wouldnt say anything. I would listen." We all have issues we deal with, and we all need to vent our frustration. When there is no vent, be it a contact sport, a family member, or a friend, the frustration gets bottled up.

This is why I feel there should be investigations into the parents whenever a minor commits a violent act, specifically murder and mass murder.

those misfortunes are bcuase of metal heath and the valibilityof guns in the usa.

the two you cuased the shootings in columebine were gamers and onemade maps for doom andi agree with marilyn manson what he said in bowling for columbine.

those misfortunes are bcuase of metal heath and the valibilityof guns in the usa.

the two you cuased the shootings in columebine were gamers and onemade maps for doom andi agree with marilyn manson what he said in bowling for columbine.

Poshkidney

How ironic. Let's not blame the fact that you can buy a gun ANYWHERE in the US. Let's blame some totally unrealistic video game. Nevermind that anyone can watch GOREFESTS like the movie Saw, where they go out of their way to make the violence and painful deaths as realistic as possible :evil:

Well lets go with it then? If video games are causeing people to die we should stop makeing them. But wait, if we stop makeing videos games, the kids will just start watching bad movies, and that will cause people to die!:shock:

So lets get rid of any movie over a PG rateing. Then lets get rid of TV. Then books that have killing in them. So if we do those things people will stop killing other people!...o wait, I just rememberd..... People where killing people before videogames, movies, and tv where made. Hmmm, the problem goes back more then I thought. QUICK! we need to spend billions of dollars to find out why people kill people then STOP IT!

Well lets go with it then? If video games are causeing people to die we should stop makeing them. But wait, if we stop makeing videos games, the kids will just start watching bad movies, and that will cause people to die!:shock:

So lets get rid of any movie over a PG rateing. Then lets get rid of TV. Then books that have killing in them. So if we do those things people will stop killing other people!...o wait, I just rememberd..... People where killing people before videogames, movies, and tv where made. Hmmm, the problem goes back more then I thought. QUICK! we need to spend billions of dollars to find out why people kill people then STOP IT!

i completely agree with you and see ur point

ghostsniperOP

Well lets go with it then? If video games are causeing people to die we should stop makeing them. But wait, if we stop makeing videos games, the kids will just start watching bad movies, and that will cause people to die!:shock:

So lets get rid of any movie over a PG rateing. Then lets get rid of TV. Then books that have killing in them. So if we do those things people will stop killing other people!...o wait, I just rememberd..... People where killing people before videogames, movies, and tv where made. Hmmm, the problem goes back more then I thought. QUICK! we need to spend billions of dollars to find out why people kill people then STOP IT!

ghostsniperOP

i completely agree with you and see your point

Well lets go with it then? If video games are causeing people to die we should stop makeing them. But wait, if we stop makeing videos games, the kids will just start watching bad movies, and that will cause people to die!:shock:

So lets get rid of any movie over a PG rateing. Then lets get rid of TV. Then books that have killing in them. So if we do those things people will stop killing other people!...o wait, I just rememberd..... People where killing people before videogames, movies, and tv where made. Hmmm, the problem goes back more then I thought. QUICK! we need to spend billions of dollars to find out why people kill people then STOP IT!

ghostsniperOP

i completely agree with you and see your point

The Punisher,Manhunt,Postal......Mynx_15

GREAT GAMES!!!! an after playing them i never had the urge to go kill somone. not once. i was like 16 or 17 when i played them. im 18 now

Well lets go with it then? If video games are causeing people to die we should stop makeing them. But wait, if we stop makeing videos games, the kids will just start watching bad movies, and that will cause people to die!:shock:

So lets get rid of any movie over a PG rateing. Then lets get rid of TV. Then books that have killing in them. So if we do those things people will stop killing other people!...o wait, I just rememberd..... People where killing people before videogames, movies, and tv where made. Hmmm, the problem goes back more then I thought. QUICK! we need to spend billions of dollars to find out why people kill people then STOP IT!

ghostsniperOP

Heh, nicely said. I couldn't agree more. Also, I read the aforementioned PCGamer article too and they even snagged the government statistics on "violent crimes" in the US, and it showed a notable decline in that area. Makes you think huh. Last time I got into an arguement on the subject, I brought that up and argued that if anything, games were helping b/c since their release, crimes went down. As such, kids who would otherwise break the law are now too busy playing games, making the gaming industrybeneficial to society. Man that pissed her off! Heh. Try it. It's really rather funny to watch.:P

In all seriousness though, I really get royally pissed when I see these things (not at TC, btw). It's all a black sheep for incompetent parenting (which, speaking as someone who works for a school district and talks to parents regularly) is seriously going down the crapper. People no longer want to feel responsible for their bad parenting and are always trying to find a black sheep for teh stupid decisions their children make. Now it's video games. Before this, TV, and before that rock and roll. Odd how the excuses keep changing yet the problem persists, no? Also, when these people take time off to complain about how video-games/tv/movies/the music industry/schools are not doing a good enough job raising their children for them, one has to wonder if maybe that same day off wouldn't have been better off had they actuallyspent it with their children (which is unheard off now).

I do believe it's the parents fault. If a parent goes into the store and buy Manhunt for your 10 year old child, the parent will blame the video game just because he/she cannot accept the mistake he/she has made

Take this website:

http://www.mavav.org/

I absolutely despise it because they think that everything is caused by video games. Grow up parents, playing the blame game will get you nowhere.

Its the US thats to blame, change their laws, because it shoundt be that easy to require a weapon. And dont give me that BS that you can just as easy take a knife, well you cant kill 5 people in 5 seconds with a knife.mimic-Denmark

Yes, lets blame the United States of America, it's our fault, next lets violate the constitution by taking away the ability for people to legally purchase guns. Guns which are registered so the people who own guns are known. After all people who are willing to kill people LOVE to follow laws, and would NEVER go out and buy a gun off of the now increased black market. Now remember all you psychotic murderers, it's okay, its not your fault, its America's fault. "Scape the bottom vote for Rodham!"

There is only one simple truth to all of this. In the end we are all responsible for our own lives, what we do is our own fault, it ends there. The only exception is in a medical condition.Mr_Clark

But is it not interesting how most of these shootings happen in the US?

Games are definately not the problem, I played duke nukem 3d and doom back when I was 6 years old... DN3d was R18, now Im 16 and Im still not old enough :P, I dont see how people can compare shooting aliens and monsters to murdering people. Sure I played manhunt and postal 2 when I was around 13/14 as well but that certainly didn't have an effect on me, games don't even look realistic. I went to see SAW 3, and I just couldn't sit through it so I stopped watching it.... so if movies like that are too much for me what makes people think that just cause you play violent games, it will mean you can commit real life violence.

As one of our more "enlightened" users has already pointed out, many people also blame guns.

Trust me, as gun owner/collector/shooter AND gamer, I can easily sympathize with what you're saying here.

[sarcasm]Now, my AR15 and copy of GTA are telling me to do bad things. Excuse me.[sarcasm/]

[QUOTE="Mr_Clark"]There is only one simple truth to all of this. In the end we are all responsible for our own lives, what we do is our own fault, it ends there. The only exception is in a medical condition.ElectricNZ

But is it not interesting how most of these shootings happen in the US?

That is true however, most of those shooting death's are actually in areas with stricter gun control (E.G. Inner cities). This is because most of those willing to murder other's purchase guns illegally. In those areas the responsible people are unable to arm themselves for such things as self defense, however the illegal gun market is far more profitable for Black Market trades to Gang's. The gangs are then encouraged by the decreased chance that their victims are able to defend themselves.

[QUOTE="Miles0T0Prower"]

OK at joystiq.com theres a video on a one sided debate about how video gaems caused things like comlinbine(mispell), virginia tech shooting and other things. NOt I dont get it. I personally balme parents for not regualting this.

Parents adn peers are the main reason for this.

l-_-l

That's Baloney. LOL

Kids don't need punishment but they do need involvement and love. When they have this they grow up caring about what you think because you matter to them. You matter to them because you have made it your business to be a part of thier life and matter to them. It's not about punishment. Avoiding pain and learning to do this out of fear of punishment simply promotes the lowest form of morality.

It is also possible that mental illness plays a role in such tragedies and while blaming the parents is certainly a convenient way to pass judgement with little thought and even less information, it isn't necessarily right.

I almost have to believe you'd need to be seriously mentally ill to go on a shooting rampage murdering kids. I don't know how else one can really explain that kind of behavior. That said, the reality is nobody talking about it on an internet forum knows anything about what was going through those people's heads or why when they did the things they did. It's all conjecture and nothing more. But given that, mine would be they were nuts for some reason or other and I seriously doubt videogames had anything to do with that at all.

Kids have been exposed to real world violence on television for decades now and I don't recall anyone calling for a ban on TV's. I don't recall ever seeing a six o'clock news show that didn't feature at least somebody buring to death, somebody being shot, some war going on, some child having been abducted and murdered and more. We are all bombarded with this stuff daily and its all real. Videogames are just games and nothing more. A person who is unable to differentiate between reality and fantasy has issues that video games neither cause nor influence.

Fortunately, given our penchant for violent entertainment one needs never to worry about video games going anywhere. They aren't. Neither are violent movies, television shows or the nightly news.

Of course people blame guns... because the media has literally brainwashed the population.
Guns are not the problem here, if you think they are you need to read my one and only blog post.

I find it amusing that the VT administration had punished a CCL holder in the past and expelled him for carrying on campus. Then goes on to state he doesn't see there is no reason to need to carry and that they have extremely tight security... Amazing what happens little more then a year later.

Now where the blame does lie is in the fact that CCL holders are experiencing ridiculous amounts of restrictions/laws/flak from everywhere. At least a few states, Texas and AZ seem to be a few, are taking the steps in the right direction, in regards to conceal carry.

Of course people blame guns... because the media has literally brainwashed the population.
Guns are not the problem here, if you think they are you need to read my one and only blog post.

I find it amusing that the VT administration had punished a CCL holder in the past and expelled him for carrying on campus. Then goes on to state he doesn't see there is no reason to need to carry and that they have extremely tight security... Amazing what happens little more then a year later.

Now where the blame does lie is in the fact that CCL holders are experiencing ridiculous amounts of restrictions/laws/flak from everywhere. At least a few states, Texas and AZ seem to be a few, are taking the steps in the right direction, in regards to conceal carry.

LordEC911

Guns aren't really a problem. People's violent nature is the real issue and because of it a lot of people like having a gun in the hope it will save them sometime. Frankly, the odds are not so hot there unless you carry one with you at all times and sleep with it loaded in your hand ready to rock when some nut breaks into your home, etc. since the gun in the rack or top dresser drawer won't be a lot of help when some nut with one of his own wakes you from a sound sleep to kill you.

Even if they outlawed guns, people would simply return to other more primative means of killing each other. In fact, they do anyway sometimes. Where I live some years ago some nut shot somebody at the side of a road with a bow and arrows he just happened to have handy for the occasion. I guess then we could outlaw bows and arrows too but at some point it comes down to rocks and sticks and stuff. How the heck do you outlaw rocks when we all live on one which is covered with them?

If we are screwed its not the guns, it is us.

Guns aren't really a problem. People's violent nature is the real issue and because of it a lot of people like having a gun in the hope it will save them sometime. Frankly, the odds are not so hot there unless you carry one with you at all times and sleep with it loaded in your hand ready to rock when some nut breaks into your home, etc. since the gun in the rack or top dresser drawer won't be a lot of help when some nut with one of his own wakes you from a sound sleep to kill you.

Even if they outlawed guns, people would simply return to other more primative means of killing each other. In fact, they do anyway sometimes. Where I live some years ago some nut shot somebody at the side of a road with a bow and arrows he just happened to have handy for the occasion. I guess then we could outlaw bows and arrows too but at some point it comes down to rocks and sticks and stuff. How the heck do you outlaw rocks when we all live on one which is covered with them?

If we are screwed its not the guns, it is us.

linmukai

Very well stated!!

One thing that recent studies have discovered is that kids who play video games, violent or not, tend to be lesslikely to go out and shoot somebody.Studies have also proven that playing video games in general promote better hand eye coordination and mental accuity.The many people who are anti violent video game are also the people who don't want to take responsibility for thieir own parenting. This whole thing quite simply boils down to one thing and that is the bad parenting that is prevalent in the United States due to the government banninga simple swat on the backside as punishment.

The American ratings system, came from the Puritanical ethic of "Sex is of the Devil" and America's love for war and killing.

This is why hardcore violent games, are rated "M", but, if there is even a slight hint of nudity, it is automatically "Adults Only"

Americans want to prepare their children to fight and kill, not to know about the beauty of love.

The American ratings system, came from the Puritanical ethic of "Sex is of the Devil" and America's love for war and killing.

This is why hardcore violent games, are rated "M", but, if there is even a slight hint of nudity, it is automatically "Adults Only"

Americans want to prepare their children to fight and kill, not to know about the beauty of love.

t0adphr0g

LOL!! I've been saying pretty much the same thing for a long time now. When I was stationed in Germany I discovered that it wasn't the pornographic movies that were considered adult it was the violent movies that were in the adult section. Yes the ratings system here is the U.S. is very poorly designed. Throw on top of that the bad parenting and stores not doing their part to keep M rated games out of the hands of kids.

The American ratings system, came from the Puritanical ethic of "Sex is of the Devil" and America's love for war and killing.

This is why hardcore violent games, are rated "M", but, if there is even a slight hint of nudity, it is automatically "Adults Only"

Americans want to prepare their children to fight and kill, not to know about the beauty of love.

t0adphr0g

Can anyone say. Grade A Moron? America does not have a love for war and killing. If anything America is too slow to pick up arms against others. It took an attack that brought down two massive towers and killed thousands of people to get America to go to war. Before that America was attacked many times with little to no retaliation (e.g. First World Trade Center Bombing, Attack on the U.S.S. Cole, Bombing of a U.S. Embassy). If this is some sort of anti-Iraq War remark then remember that if this is not fought now, we will have to prepare the children to fight and kill.