The one main reason why Splinter Cell Blacklist will be Crap

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#1 PIGNIN
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I love the splinter cell series, LOVE em. Even Concivtion was awesome. But this is pile of crap, what is it anyway, sequel, reeboot? And mainly, why the hell is there no Michael Ironside!

Seriously, Ironside IS sam Fisher, he has been for the past 5 games, so why the need to change him? It wasn't as if his performances were decilining :(

I was waiting patiently for word on this game and in 2 mins lost all interest.

Oh and by the way, you think maybe Naughty Dog should Sue Lucasarts for blatantly ripping off Uncharted with that 1313 nonsense?

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#2 Jacanuk
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I love the splinter cell series, LOVE em. Even Concivtion was awesome. But this is pile of crap, what is it anyway, sequel, reeboot? And mainly, why the hell is there no Michael Ironside!

Seriously, Ironside IS sam Fisher, he has been for the past 5 games, so why the need to change him? It wasn't as if his performances were decilining :(

I was waiting patiently for word on this game and in 2 mins lost all interest.

Oh and by the way, you think maybe Naughty Dog should Sue Lucasarts for blatantly ripping off Uncharted with that 1313 nonsense?

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Whats wrong with the thread thats already there?
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#3 PIGNIN
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Sorry bout that, i just saw the trailers and went off on a rant, so bummed out :(

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#4 Jacanuk
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Sorry bout that, i just saw the trailers and went off on a rant, so bummed out :(

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hehe :) Well, its only one level and since you liked Conviction, just imagine if you only saw the one where you have to escape from the Washington monument
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#5 Obiwan_1O
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Sorry bout that, i just saw the trailers and went off on a rant, so bummed out :(

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mental retard lock em up!

so much wrong not worthy of explination.

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#6 Phoenix534
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People are seeming to forget how entirely not good Ironside was in Conviction.

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#7 jakes456
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Conviction was such a poor game. Chaos Theory was amazing.

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Even if he was in it it'd still be a lousy game. Just have a look at it.
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#9 PIGNIN
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I know Jacanuk, it's just that i don't get what the insatiable need is for these developers to reboot things? And then parade this like it's a sequel? I mean it actually sounds like the entire cast has been revoiced, when, apart fom Lambert channging voice actors for one game with Pandora tomorrow, the core group have been the same for the entire series. I just don't get it. Ironsides portrayal of Sam was pretty damn important to the series, hopefully this will be a flashback mission, but i doubt it.

And totally agree CT Was awesome :)

And, Obiwan_10, who are you exactly? If it's not worthy of explination, then it wouldn't be worthy of posting. Actually - ah nevermind, can't be bothered :)

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I just don't understand why Sam looks YOUNGER when it's a SEQUEL to Conviction ????
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Oh and by the way, you think maybe Naughty Dog should Sue Lucasarts for blatantly ripping off Uncharted with that 1313 nonsense?

PIGNIN

Care to explain that?

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#12 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="PIGNIN"]

Oh and by the way, you think maybe Naughty Dog should Sue Lucasarts for blatantly ripping off Uncharted with that 1313 nonsense?

rhazzy

Care to explain that?

Maybe they should sue Square Enix cause the new Tomb Raider rips off Uncharted too? NEWS FLASH: everything like this existed BEFORE Uncharted....
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#13 rhazzy
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[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

[QUOTE="PIGNIN"]

Oh and by the way, you think maybe Naughty Dog should Sue Lucasarts for blatantly ripping off Uncharted with that 1313 nonsense?

FelipeInside

Care to explain that?

Maybe they should sue Square Enix cause the new Tomb Raider rips off Uncharted too? NEWS FLASH: everything like this existed BEFORE Uncharted....

What are you talking about?Geezzzz give me a clue :D

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#14 PIGNIN
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I understand that Tomb Raider and Star wars games had been going way before uncharted, but cmon, theres a difference between expanding upon someone elses idea and just blatantly ripping it off, that footage of the dude climbing up the side of the ship was so badly an uncharted ripoff it wasn't funny, right down to the movement animations, if they were going to this, they might has well have made an Indiana Jones game instead.

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I love the splinter cell series, LOVE em. Even Concivtion was awesome. But this is pile of crap, what is it anyway, sequel, reeboot? And mainly, why the hell is there no Michael Ironside!

Seriously, Ironside IS sam Fisher, he has been for the past 5 games, so why the need to change him? It wasn't as if his performances were decilining :(

I was waiting patiently for word on this game and in 2 mins lost all interest.

Oh and by the way, you think maybe Naughty Dog should Sue Lucasarts for blatantly ripping off Uncharted with that 1313 nonsense?

PIGNIN

I kind of agree.

Though I actually loved Conviction unlike a lot of people, I think that with the new voice actor and complete change of Sam, the series is no longer really Splinter Cell. I'm not against action, but they've completely changing the point of the series, and it literally doesn't make sense to change the actor AND make him younger for no damn reason.

I mean, how would Max Payne be if McCaffrey wasn't the voice actor? It wouldn't be the same, and there's a reason everyone is pissed David Bateson isn't Agent 47 anymore.

At the very least they could have at least actually given us a new character, and it would have made more sense. Give us a young new character voiced by someone else, and Fisher who is old as hell could have been a mentor or played a cameo, but instead they give us this Sam Fisher wannabe and tell us its him.

I don't normally get this worked up over something like this, but when a voice actor is so amazing at his job, its hard to feel anything but bad when they essentially take away the heart and soul of the character. Its like if Nolan North was the new voice of Max Payne and they also for some reason made him de age.

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#17 FelipeInside
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I understand that Tomb Raider and Star wars games had been going way before uncharted, but cmon, theres a difference between expanding upon someone elses idea and just blatantly ripping it off, that footage of the dude climbing up the side of the ship was so badly an uncharted ripoff it wasn't funny, right down to the movement animations, if they were going to this, they might has well have made an Indiana Jones game instead.

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There's only so many ways to make a person climb something. The movement is going to be similar, there's only one way a human can climb.
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#18 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="PIGNIN"]

I love the splinter cell series, LOVE em. Even Concivtion was awesome. But this is pile of crap, what is it anyway, sequel, reeboot? And mainly, why the hell is there no Michael Ironside!

Seriously, Ironside IS sam Fisher, he has been for the past 5 games, so why the need to change him? It wasn't as if his performances were decilining :(

I was waiting patiently for word on this game and in 2 mins lost all interest.

Oh and by the way, you think maybe Naughty Dog should Sue Lucasarts for blatantly ripping off Uncharted with that 1313 nonsense?

SPYDER0416

I kind of agree.

Though I actually loved Conviction unlike a lot of people, I think that with the new voice actor and complete change of Sam, the series is no longer really Splinter Cell. I'm not against action, but they've completely changing the point of the series, and it literally doesn't make sense to change the actor AND make him younger for no damn reason.

I mean, how would Max Payne be if McCaffrey wasn't the voice actor? It wouldn't be the same, and there's a reason everyone is pissed David Bateson isn't Agent 47 anymore.

At the very least they could have at least actually given us a new character, and it would have made more sense. Give us a young new character voiced by someone else, and Fisher who is old as hell could have been a mentor or played a cameo, but instead they give us this Sam Fisher wannabe and tell us its him.

I don't normally get this worked up over something like this, but when a voice actor is so amazing at his job, its hard to feel anything but bad when they essentially take away the heart and soul of the character. Its like if Nolan North was the new voice of Max Payne and they also for some reason made him de age.

I agree it should have been a new character (since it's a new younger voice actor), but then surely everyone would have complained it wasn't Sam. Maybe it's his son? also called Sam.
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#19 PIGNIN
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Haha, Sam Jr?

It's so disconcerting though, it's still branded as a sequel, and the whole echelon 4 thing is weird, i really hope Ironside is in the game, but im not holding out in hope for this happening there really there was no need to reboot the entire cast with fresh new faces, it just needed a good new game.

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#20 FelipeInside
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Reason why IRONSIDE isn't in it anymore: http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/06/04/splinter-cell-blacklist-video-michael-ironside/
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#21 PIGNIN
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That video made me sad

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#22 FelipeInside
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That video made me sad

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We all know Ironside Rocks, but let's give the other guy a chance at least...
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#23 PIGNIN
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Its a very valid reason why He can't be in it, so yes, I'll definitely give him a chance. It's gonna be weird though.

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#24 FelipeInside
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Its a very valid reason why He can't be in it, so yes, I'll definitely give him a chance. It's gonna be weird though.

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I don't mind another guy doing the voice.....from what I've heard so far it's not that bad (not Ironside quality but not bad). What is weird for me is that he is a younger Sam and it's a sequel. They should have either: a) Sequel with new character b) Use this Sam but make it a prequel
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[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

[QUOTE="PIGNIN"]

Oh and by the way, you think maybe Naughty Dog should Sue Lucasarts for blatantly ripping off Uncharted with that 1313 nonsense?

FelipeInside

Care to explain that?

Maybe they should sue Square Enix cause the new Tomb Raider rips off Uncharted too? NEWS FLASH: everything like this existed BEFORE Uncharted....

But Tomb Raider was created before Uncharted. If anything, Uncharted ripped off Tomb Raider. And TR ripped off Pitfall.
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#26 Elann2008
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I can't tell anything from this trailer. The voice actor sounds fine, but Ironside would be better of course. Seems like there's going to be a lot of action...again.. the theme of this E3 should be "Action." I'd like to see some gameplay first.
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#27 PIGNIN
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Tomb raider was amazing when it came out, it took ideas from Pitfall, and to stand out from the doom/wolfenstein market created a character in 3d you could see and control, it took ideas and made their own niche out of it.

Uncharted took elements of Indiana Jones, took ideas from Tomb Raider and created their own brand of fluid platform action adventure gaming, and really gave more characters and life to the whole proceedings, once again standing out from the pack.

Starwars1313 looks like they remodeled the train scene from uncharted 2 and put ships and star wars looking laser blasts instead of gunfire.

On a side note, when it's written Starwars1313 it looks like a forum posters username lol