Need help deciding between computers

Computer 1 is from Dell

System Specs are:

Processor: i7 2600

RAM:8gb DDR3-1333

Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5670 1GB

Hard Drive: 1TB 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s

Optical Drive: 16X CD/DVD Burner, double layer write capacity

Sound Card: THX TruStudio PC

Monitor: ST2220L 21.5 inch Full HD Widescreen Monitor

Other: Windows 7 Home Premium

Price is $1127

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Computer 2 is from iBuyPower

System Specs are:

Processor i7 960

RAM: 6gb DDR3-1600 (Corsair or other major brand)

Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5670 1GB

Hard Drive: 2TB Hard Drive 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s

Optical Drive: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer

Sound Card: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

Monitor: 22" LCD 1680x1050 Sceptre X220T-Naga

Other: Windows 7 Home Premium, Has liquid cooling

Price is $1249

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My question is which would be a better deal and is computer 2 worth spending the extra $122 on? Will mostly be using this computer for gaming.

the one with the 2600

that being said both wont do very well at non rts and mmo gaming.. both lack a good gpu and instead have overpowered cpu's

the one with the 2600

that being said both wont do very well at non rts and mmo gaming.. both lack a good gpu and instead have overpowered cpu's

ionusX

What if I change the processor to AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition, RAM to 8GB, and Graphics Card to AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB?

its good 4 if u like multitasking alot or future games but if u look up for reviews the 2600 is faster then any other current cpu's at the moment including the 1100T and the intel 990x :) and if ur lucky and its a 2600k serie's then u can easily overclock to 4.4 on air

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the one with the 2600

that being said both wont do very well at non rts and mmo gaming.. both lack a good gpu and instead have overpowered cpu's

SprayAndPray1

What if I change the processor to AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition, RAM to 8GB, and Graphics Card to AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB?

that would be very good, allthough if you could i would still chose for a better graphics card if you can, allthough the hd 6850 is already a great improvement.

Be sure to take monitor that supports 1080 p (1920 x 1080)so computer 2 isn't a good option

You don't have to take the x6 phenom, an x4 phenom II 945 is already more than enough (or if it's pentium, an i5-750 or i5-2400)

its good 4 if u like multitasking alot or future games but if u look up for reviews the 2600 is faster then any other current cpu's at the moment including the 1100T and the intel 990x :) and if ur lucky and its a 2600k serie's then u can easily overclock to 4.4 on air

Whiteknight19

Who cares about such a powerfull cpu, an i3 cpu with a hd 6850 already whipes the floor with these pc's when it comes to gaming

A quad core is all you need, most games use only two cores for the moment.

The i7-2600 is way too much overkill and simply a waste of money

So if I keep the Phenom processor, would (4GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and an AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB) or (8GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB HIS Fan Turbo Core:920MHz) be better, and would a standard 700W power supply be enough?

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its good 4 if u like multitasking alot or future games but if u look up for reviews the 2600 is faster then any other current cpu's at the moment including the 1100T and the intel 990x :) and if ur lucky and its a 2600k serie's then u can easily overclock to 4.4 on air

evildead6789

Who cares about such a powerfull cpu, an i3 cpu with a hd 6850 already whipes the floor with these pc's when it comes to gaming

A quad core is all you need, most games use only two cores for the moment.

The i7-2600 is way too much overkill and simply a waste of money

he wants a stronger pc not a half arse i3 u know change ur cpu change your psu and any gfx atleast it wont bottleneck with turboboost :) i have mine 2600k clocked at 4.8

So if I keep the Phenom processor, would (4GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and an AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB) or (8GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB HIS Fan Turbo Core:920MHz) be better, and would a standard 700W power supply be enough?

SprayAndPray1

your ram is fine and ur gfx is fine ur psu needs a change and with decents game thats gonna be coming later this year your i3 is gonna slack behind

Get the i5 2600k

Get the i5 2500k :) thats better

simplyderp

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Get the i5 2500k :) thats better

Whiteknight19

if your not sure go on this well known pc site http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=287 it will benchmark the current cpu's and Gpu's and then u can decide :)

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its good 4 if u like multitasking alot or future games but if u look up for reviews the 2600 is faster then any other current cpu's at the moment including the 1100T and the intel 990x :) and if ur lucky and its a 2600k serie's then u can easily overclock to 4.4 on air

Whiteknight19

Who cares about such a powerfull cpu, an i3 cpu with a hd 6850 already whipes the floor with these pc's when it comes to gaming

A quad core is all you need, most games use only two cores for the moment.

The i7-2600 is way too much overkill and simply a waste of money

he wants a stronger pc not a half arse i3 u know change ur cpu change your psu and any gfx atleast it wont bottleneck with turboboost :) i have mine 2600k clocked at 4.8

I was just giving an example, a phenom II quad is way stronger than an i3. Besides i said, he needed at least a quad for future games, and an i3 isn't a quad, apparently you didn't knew that.

After a quad that has 3 ghz and decent cache size, then you're buying past the point of reason just like you with your 2600k. Off course if you do something else than gaming, like video encoding then it could come in handy. But better a phenom II quad and a gtx 580 than your i7-2600k with a gtx 570. Both cost the same price.

I hope , this time, you've gotten the picture.

So if I keep the Phenom processor, would (4GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and an AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB) or (8GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB HIS Fan Turbo Core:920MHz) be better, and would a standard 700W power supply be enough?

SprayAndPray1

I would get 8gb of ram if you take the radeon 6950 2gb, 700 W should be more than enough.

Save money on that phenom x6 and get the phenom II x4 945,955 or 965.

This will give you the bestperformance in games, now and tomorrow.

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So if I keep the Phenom processor, would (4GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and an AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB) or (8GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB HIS Fan Turbo Core:920MHz) be better, and would a standard 700W power supply be enough?

evildead6789

I would get 8gb of ram if you take the radeon 6950 2gb, 700 W should be more than enough.

Save money on that phenom x6 and get the phenom II x4 945,955 or 965.

This will give you the bestperformance in games, now and tomorrow.

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So if I keep the Phenom processor, would (4GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and an AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB) or (8GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB HIS Fan Turbo Core:920MHz) be better, and would a standard 700W power supply be enough?

Whiteknight19

I would get 8gb of ram if you take the radeon 6950 2gb, 700 W should be more than enough.

Save money on that phenom x6 and get the phenom II x4 945,955 or 965.

This will give you the bestperformance in games, now and tomorrow.

If it's for gaming then he's waisting his money plain and simple. A phenom II quad only cost 130$ , a i7-2600 k cost 300$. What do you think the highest performance gain will be when he invest that money (170$) in videocard or in that i7.

I dare you , i double dare you to come with a setup that has an i7-2600 in it that will outperform a phenom II quad with a videocard that costs 170$ more than in your i7 setup

its up 2 u m8 at the end of the day u can either save money or get ur money's worth if u just want 2 gamng then a phenom 2 will be ok if you want gaming aswell as encoding decoding folding and zipping etc etc also u can be able to reach 5ghz with a 2600k with watercooling then the i7 / i5 will do for you

its up 2 u m8 at the end of the day u can either save money or get ur money's worth if u just want 2 gamng then a phenom 2 will be ok if you want gaming aswell as encoding decoding folding and zipping etc etc also u can be able to reach 5ghz with a 2600k with watercooling then the i7 / i5 will do for you

Whiteknight19

Sorry but encoding , decoding, folding and ziping also works on a phenom II quad and mighty fast.

If it's not business related or you're hobby involves a lot of decoding , encoding , folding and zipping this is... a waiste of money

y do i need 2 tell u a setup amd are a joke cheap yes performance no even the i7 920 is faster i wouldnt even touch amd atm and i prolly have 2 million people to back me up on this even a quad duo 9650 can keep up with the phenom serie's thats how much a joke phenom 2 is

y do i need 2 tell u a setup amd are a joke cheap yes performance no even the i7 920 is faster i wouldnt even touch amd atm and i prolly have 2 million people to back me up on this even a quad duo 9650 can keep up with the phenom serie's thats how much a joke phenom 2 is

Whiteknight19

That's true but amd isn't a joke, there just reasonably priced cpu's. Intel has a bunch of cpu's that are way too strong for games even for next gen games. They have released a dozen and more quads for multiple sockets and yes the i7 -920 is better but it's also overkill.

3 ghz on a quad with a decent cache size is all you need , even for future games.From then on the bottleneck shifts heavily to the graphics card. So if you buy your system primarily for gaming it's ridiculous to spend more money on a cpu when you can invest it in a gpu where it's actually used.

Maybe ten games today use all four cores and i'm being generous here. It's plain and simple games are about framerate. The framerate will be much higher on a phenom II x 4 945 with a gtx 580 than with an i7-2600k and a gtx 560.

The first one is a better choice cos the Core i7 2600 is a much more powerful cpu.

Not worth paying the extra for a weaker processor an 2 TB HD. 1 TB is enough.

go wiht teh ibuypower, I've had three bas experinces with Dell in a row now.
if for no other reason, Dell uses custom CPU's, in custom MOBO's in custom cases, so you will not be ble to upgrade any of those cmopponets easily down teh line.

Computer 1 is from Dell

System Specs are:

Processor: i7 2600

RAM:8gb DDR3-1333

Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5670 1GB

Hard Drive: 1TB 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s

Optical Drive: 16X CD/DVD Burner, double layer write capacity

Sound Card: THX TruStudio PC

Monitor: ST2220L 21.5 inch Full HD Widescreen Monitor

Other: Windows 7 Home Premium

Price is $1127

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Computer 2 is from iBuyPower

System Specs are:

Processor i7 960

RAM: 6gb DDR3-1600 (Corsair or other major brand)

Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5670 1GB

Hard Drive: 2TB Hard Drive 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s

Optical Drive: 24X Dual Format/Double Layer

Sound Card: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

Monitor: 22" LCD 1680x1050 Sceptre X220T-Naga

Other: Windows 7 Home Premium, Has liquid cooling

Price is $1249

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My question is which would be a better deal and is computer 2 worth spending the extra $122 on? Will mostly be using this computer for gaming.

SprayAndPray1

A i7 960 paired with a HD5670 is a fail, A 2600k with a HD5670 is even a bigger fail.

The least card that should be in thoose two is a HD6850/gtx460 768mb.

If the budget dont alow it you have laid to much on the CPU's and to little on the graphics.

The HD5670 is a lowend budget card while the 960/2600k is highend CPU's, the gaming result with a crappy graphics is still... ...crappy!

also, protip: go with either AMD processor and an ATI video card OR an Intel Processor and Nvidia card
either of these rigs is not hardcore enough to need liquid cooling, but thats your choice.
and do not listen to the people saying you should build it yourself if you're uncomfartable with that. ibuypower is a fine way to go.
the best soultion would be to buy the parts and have a local computer shop assemble it for you. in my city they charge $75 to assemble for reference and $50 to find mistakes if you screw it up.
and sound cards are completly unecesary, unless your a audiophile, you will not need one. ever.
and I would say 600w is a large enough PSU for those set-ups, but 700w would be perfect, espcially if you descide to overclock down the road.

also, protip: go with either AMD processor and an ATI video card OR an Intel Processor and Nvidia card
BlackDevil99

Work on you "pro-tip" there because its just wrong.

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y do i need 2 tell u a setup amd are a joke cheap yes performance no even the i7 920 is faster i wouldnt even touch amd atm and i prolly have 2 million people to back me up on this even a quad duo 9650 can keep up with the phenom serie's thats how much a joke phenom 2 is

evildead6789

That's true but amd isn't a joke, there just reasonably priced cpu's. Intel has a bunch of cpu's that are way too strong for games even for next gen games. They have released a dozen and more quads for multiple sockets and yes the i7 -920 is better but it's also overkill.

3 ghz on a quad with a decent cache size is all you need , even for future games.From then on the bottleneck shifts heavily to the graphics card. So if you buy your system primarily for gaming it's ridiculous to spend more money on a cpu when you can invest it in a gpu where it's actually used.

Maybe ten games today use all four cores and i'm being generous here. It's plain and simple games are about framerate. The framerate will be much higher on a phenom II x 4 945 with a gtx 580 than with an i7-2600k and a gtx 560.

pffft really!? go and read up on the reviews 2600k and a 580gtx is a higher framerate then amd 945 with a 560gtx or with a 580gtx time to step up your game son

until amd makes a good cpu then im for it and the only thing thats going 4 them right about now is there GPU's

pffft really!? go and read up on the reviews 2600k and a 580gtx is a higher framerate then amd 945 with a 560gtx or with a 580gtx time to step up your game son

That because the 2600k is a much much better CPU than the 945 so doesn't limit the 580 as much. There no correlation between video card and cpu brand in performance.

mucgoo

pffft really!? go and read up on the reviews 2600k and a 580gtx is a higher framerate then amd 945 with a 560gtx or with a 580gtx time to step up your game son

That because the 2600k is a much much better CPU than the 945 so doesn't limit the 580 as much. There no correlation between video card and cpu brand in performance.

exactly amd evildead was telling the dude 2 get a amd and yea i agree its really really cheap but what performance do u get from an amd? u dont thats y i would get a 2500 or 2600 cos its fast at pretty much doing anythink its faster then current 6 cores not just for gaming but for files tranfers etc etc and be overclock at a silly amount without a sweat

I really hate to reccomend dells as they are made with unreliable crap parts. In this case i would go with the dell.

Good grief Whiteknight, you didnt' miss the point much did you? It's a basic concept. You have 500 to spend on a cpu and GPU for gaming. You're saying "Hurr durr, 250 in each is da best XXDXDD!!1!", when in reality $150 into the CPU and $350 into the GPU will give you better gaming performance.

is this prebuilt? Build it yourself and you can have all of what you want, the i5 2600k, a great video card, a good monitor huge harddrive, more ram, all for less money

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pffft really!? go and read up on the reviews 2600k and a 580gtx is a higher framerate then amd 945 with a 560gtx or with a 580gtx time to step up your game son

Whiteknight19

That because the 2600k is a much much better CPU than the 945 so doesn't limit the 580 as much. There no correlation between video card and cpu brand in performance.

exactly amd evildead was telling the dude 2 get a amd and yea i agree its really really cheap but what performance do u get from an amd? u dont thats y i would get a 2500 or 2600 cos its fast at pretty much doing anythink its faster then current 6 cores not just for gaming but for files tranfers etc etc and be overclock at a silly amount without a sweat

yah getting an amd chip at the moment is a joke. You could get a dual core i3 sandy bridge from intel and it would out perform AMD's best 6 core processor. I wouldn't get any cpu from amd until bulldozer comes out.

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That because the 2600k is a much much better CPU than the 945 so doesn't limit the 580 as much. There no correlation between video card and cpu brand in performance.

blaznwiipspman1

exactly amd evildead was telling the dude 2 get a amd and yea i agree its really really cheap but what performance do u get from an amd? u dont thats y i would get a 2500 or 2600 cos its fast at pretty much doing anythink its faster then current 6 cores not just for gaming but for files tranfers etc etc and be overclock at a silly amount without a sweat

yah getting an amd chip at the moment is a joke. You could get a dual core i3 sandy bridge from intel and it would out perform AMD's best 6 core processor. I wouldn't get any cpu from amd until bulldozer comes out.

An pheonem 4 core/ i3 2100 + mobo cost nearly exactly the same.

Single threaded=i3 wins handdown

multi threaded=amds wins

Hoepfully bulldozer will correct this problem as lack of competition is always bad for consumers.

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exactly amd evildead was telling the dude 2 get a amd and yea i agree its really really cheap but what performance do u get from an amd? u dont thats y i would get a 2500 or 2600 cos its fast at pretty much doing anythink its faster then current 6 cores not just for gaming but for files tranfers etc etc and be overclock at a silly amount without a sweat

mucgoo

yah getting an amd chip at the moment is a joke. You could get a dual core i3 sandy bridge from intel and it would out perform AMD's best 6 core processor. I wouldn't get any cpu from amd until bulldozer comes out.

An pheonem 4 core/ i3 2100 + mobo cost nearly exactly the same.

Single threaded=i3 wins handdown

multi threaded=amds wins

Hoepfully bulldozer will correct this problem as lack of competition is always bad for consumers.

exactly, im hoping bulldozer will give intel a thrashing the likes of which they've never seen, their profit drops down to peanuts, and their marketshare drops all the way down to 50% :D

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yah getting an amd chip at the moment is a joke. You could get a dual core i3 sandy bridge from intel and it would out perform AMD's best 6 core processor. I wouldn't get any cpu from amd until bulldozer comes out.

blaznwiipspman1

An pheonem 4 core/ i3 2100 + mobo cost nearly exactly the same.

Single threaded=i3 wins handdown

multi threaded=amds wins

Hoepfully bulldozer will correct this problem as lack of competition is always bad for consumers.

exactly, im hoping bulldozer will give intel a thrashing the likes of which they've never seen, their profit drops down to peanuts, and their marketshare drops all the way down to 50% :D

amd said that when they released with the phenom 2 ect ect i wouldnt get excited just yet until they review it