Max Payne 3 pre order bonus = higher bullet dmg in multiplayer

So I was browsing amazon when I noticed the pre order bonus for Max Payne 3 was the Death Force Burst, which increases bullet dmg in multiplayer.. so am I assuming if you don't pre order you're gunna be at a disadvantage off the bat? really hate seeing bonuses like these that affect multiplayer, hopefully there are unlockables in game that are equivalent or better

yes, it appears you are right. if i buy this i will not be buying it for the multi-player yet the way they emphasize multi-player by doing this and allowing pay-to-win crap has me less hopeful that this will be something i like to play.

So I was browsing amazon when I noticed the pre order bonus for Max Payne 3 was the Death Force Burst, which increases bullet dmg in multiplayer.. so am I assuming if you don't pre order you're gunna be at a disadvantage off the bat? really hate seeing bonuses like these that affect multiplayer, hopefully there are unlockables in game that are equivalent or better

Whatcurb

LOL pay 2 win tactics are bs. Another pre order bs going too far

Wow, that really dumb. You should not give players a leg up in a game becuase they preorder.

While I am not a fan of any of the pre-order/collector's edition nonsense that takes place these days, this idea is definitely one of the worst.

Well that's another game that I will not buy which is a shame because I was a huge fan of the first two. I can see EA, Ubisoft, Warner Bros, THQ, and Capcom doing this. But Rockstar? I can't believe how low they sunk. And yeah I know people will say here "well who cares it's only multiplayer, people only play the single player only". That's true but doesn't mean we should ignore this garbage. People who might want to play multiplayer but don't pre-order will get screwed.

Maybe its a perk you unlock later by playing the game? That is really dumb. Good thing I'm not planning on doing much multiplayer

preorder perks are ruining gaming.

Glad I don't play multiplayer. That is a terrible pre order bonus.

It can give me an "Iwin" button in the MP and I wouldn't care, MP1/MP2 were great for being story driven games with strong level design and combat. This sort of stuff upsets forum goers but this sort of thing gets more pre orders, and again, Rockstar is a business organization, not some non-profit magical fairy organization that wishes games into existence, a lot of gamers on forums fail to comprehend this.Zubinen

Yeah they are a business and we are customers and when the business makes a terrible choice we can voice our concerns and vote with our money.

Maybe the outrage will be so great that this will negatively effect preorders. At that point, it wouldn't exactly be a sound business decision.

Slightly off topic, but I don't hate the idea of there being multiplayer. I am extremely impressed by the engine they are using and they have a chance to make one of the most intense gritty "crime" shooters. Firefights would be intense. And from the look of things, could be the multiplayer game Kane and Lynch aspired (and failed) to be.

On topic: rah rah pre-order bonuses are bad, Rockstar greedy!

Slightly off topic, but I don't hate the idea of there being multiplayer. I am extremely impressed by the engine they are using and they have a chance to make one of the most intense gritty "crime" shooters. Firefights would be intense. And from the look of things, could be the multiplayer game Kane and Lynch aspired (and failed) to be.

On topic: rah rah pre-order bonuses are bad, Rockstar greedy!

Sharpie125

Slightly off topic, but I don't hate the idea of there being multiplayer. I am extremely impressed by the engine they are using and they have a chance to make one of the most intense gritty "crime" shooters. Firefights would be intense. And from the look of things, could be the multiplayer game Kane and Lynch aspired (and failed) to be.

On topic: rah rah pre-order bonuses are bad, Rockstar greedy!

Sharpie125

Preorders are fine unless they mess with multiplayer balance.

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Slightly off topic, but I don't hate the idea of there being multiplayer. I am extremely impressed by the engine they are using and they have a chance to make one of the most intense gritty "crime" shooters. Firefights would be intense. And from the look of things, could be the multiplayer game Kane and Lynch aspired (and failed) to be.

On topic: rah rah pre-order bonuses are bad, Rockstar greedy!

Zubinen

If that's the case, the whole game is going to be in a lot of trouble. I'm banking on the gunplay to be orgasmic. I don't expect to be wowed in the story department, but the action looks fantastic. Just carry that over to multiplayer.

I mean, once you have the core mechanic down, what could you possibly *not do* in order to screw it up? All you need is halfway competent map designers and an interesting gametype. They could do a spin-off of capture the flag (shipment? drug mule?) and your team has to get it to a helicopter or boat while the other team has to steal and deliver the goods to their own getaway vehicle; a fierce shoot-out erupts in the Sao Paulo slums.

I would play that game in a heartbeat.

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Slightly off topic, but I don't hate the idea of there being multiplayer. I am extremely impressed by the engine they are using and they have a chance to make one of the most intense gritty "crime" shooters. Firefights would be intense. And from the look of things, could be the multiplayer game Kane and Lynch aspired (and failed) to be.

On topic: rah rah pre-order bonuses are bad, Rockstar greedy!

GummiRaccoon

Preorders are fine unless they mess with multiplayer balance.

I disagree. According to Game Informer Assassins creed 3 pre orders were the eigth best selling item at best buy the week it went up for pre sale. It just shows the developers that they don't have to do ANYTHING to get your money. What is the point of pre-ordering anyway? It's not like anyone is going to sell out of a game, like that has ever happened.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Sharpie125"]

Slightly off topic, but I don't hate the idea of there being multiplayer. I am extremely impressed by the engine they are using and they have a chance to make one of the most intense gritty "crime" shooters. Firefights would be intense. And from the look of things, could be the multiplayer game Kane and Lynch aspired (and failed) to be.

On topic: rah rah pre-order bonuses are bad, Rockstar greedy!

jacobhazard1704

Preorders are fine unless they mess with multiplayer balance.

I disagree. According to Game Informer Assassins creed 3 pre orders were the eigth best selling item at best buy the week it went up for pre sale. It just shows the developers that they don't have to do ANYTHING to get your money. What is the point of pre-ordering anyway? It's not like anyone is going to sell out of a game, like that has ever happened.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but they have indeed run out of game boxes.

And how is it that you are disagreeing with my premise that preorders are fine as long as they don't mess with MP? And I couldn't care less about assasins creed, so I never played it, did it have MP?

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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Preorders are fine unless they mess with multiplayer balance.

GummiRaccoon

I disagree. According to Game Informer Assassins creed 3 pre orders were the eigth best selling item at best buy the week it went up for pre sale. It just shows the developers that they don't have to do ANYTHING to get your money. What is the point of pre-ordering anyway? It's not like anyone is going to sell out of a game, like that has ever happened.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but they have indeed run out of game boxes.

And how is it that you are disagreeing with my premise that preorders are fine as long as they don't mess with MP? And I couldn't care less about assasins creed, so I never played it, did it have MP?

I have NEVER tried to buy a game and not had a copy available. What I'm saying is that Assassins Creed 3 was JUST ANNOUNCED, how are people pre ordering this already? It's showing the developers that it doesn't matter what they do with a game, they still have a vast majority of the players money that intend to buy the game. I'm saying the pre-order model is dumb, unneccesary, and incentives like these make people buy a game before they know if it's going to be good or not.

Color crystals, titles, hats are all one thing, but this is another story, if the higher damage perk is exclusive to the pre-order bonus then this is not a cool move at all.

But like others have said it may be an unlockable later on in the game, that is just already unlocked for pre-order players.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="jacobhazard1704"]

I disagree. According to Game Informer Assassins creed 3 pre orders were the eigth best selling item at best buy the week it went up for pre sale. It just shows the developers that they don't have to do ANYTHING to get your money. What is the point of pre-ordering anyway? It's not like anyone is going to sell out of a game, like that has ever happened.

jacobhazard1704

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but they have indeed run out of game boxes.

And how is it that you are disagreeing with my premise that preorders are fine as long as they don't mess with MP? And I couldn't care less about assasins creed, so I never played it, did it have MP?

I have NEVER tried to buy a game and not had a copy available. What I'm saying is that Assassins Creed 3 was JUST ANNOUNCED, how are people pre ordering this already? It's showing the developers that it doesn't matter what they do with a game, they still have a vast majority of the players money that intend to buy the game. I'm saying the pre-order model is dumb, unneccesary, and incentives like these make people buy a game before they know if it's going to be good or not.

Then you must be new to gaming. Games historically have sold out quite often.

I disagree. According to Game Informer Assassins creed 3 pre orders were the eigth best selling item at best buy the week it went up for pre sale. It just shows the developers that they don't have to do ANYTHING to get your money. What is the point of pre-ordering anyway? It's not like anyone is going to sell out of a game, like that has ever happened.

jacobhazard1704

I have worked at EB Games so I can say that the store I worked at has run out of certain games a few times but I willl say it is rare. The funny thing is it wasn't big releases like COD that we ran out of.

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[QUOTE="jacobhazard1704"]

I disagree. According to Game Informer Assassins creed 3 pre orders were the eigth best selling item at best buy the week it went up for pre sale. It just shows the developers that they don't have to do ANYTHING to get your money. What is the point of pre-ordering anyway? It's not like anyone is going to sell out of a game, like that has ever happened.

jacobhazard1704

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but they have indeed run out of game boxes.

And how is it that you are disagreeing with my premise that preorders are fine as long as they don't mess with MP? And I couldn't care less about assasins creed, so I never played it, did it have MP?

I have NEVER tried to buy a game and not had a copy available. What I'm saying is that Assassins Creed 3 was JUST ANNOUNCED, how are people pre ordering this already? It's showing the developers that it doesn't matter what they do with a game, they still have a vast majority of the players money that intend to buy the game. I'm saying the pre-order model is dumb, unneccesary, and incentives like these make people buy a game before they know if it's going to be good or not.

[QUOTE="jacobhazard1704"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but they have indeed run out of game boxes.

And how is it that you are disagreeing with my premise that preorders are fine as long as they don't mess with MP? And I couldn't care less about assasins creed, so I never played it, did it have MP?

GummiRaccoon

I have NEVER tried to buy a game and not had a copy available. What I'm saying is that Assassins Creed 3 was JUST ANNOUNCED, how are people pre ordering this already? It's showing the developers that it doesn't matter what they do with a game, they still have a vast majority of the players money that intend to buy the game. I'm saying the pre-order model is dumb, unneccesary, and incentives like these make people buy a game before they know if it's going to be good or not.

Then you must be new to gaming. Games historically have sold out quite often.

link? I read reviews and player opinions before buying a game, who comits that early? It's a market filled with developers that want you to buy games before they are released. Amazon, Gamestop, BestBuy, Steam, Origin, they all have pre order bonuses.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="jacobhazard1704"]

I have NEVER tried to buy a game and not had a copy available. What I'm saying is that Assassins Creed 3 was JUST ANNOUNCED, how are people pre ordering this already? It's showing the developers that it doesn't matter what they do with a game, they still have a vast majority of the players money that intend to buy the game. I'm saying the pre-order model is dumb, unneccesary, and incentives like these make people buy a game before they know if it's going to be good or not.

jacobhazard1704

Then you must be new to gaming. Games historically have sold out quite often.

link? I read reviews and player opinions before buying a game, who comits that early? It's a market filled with developers that want you to buy games before they are released. Amazon, Gamestop, BestBuy, Steam, Origin, they all have pre order bonuses.

How about mine and every long time gamers experience? I've personally tried to buy a few games that I had to go to several stores to actually find a copy, like warcraft III diablo 2, half life, doom3...

there was a time I did preorders and then I just switched to digital distribution, can't run out of dd games

Maybe its a perk you unlock later by playing the game? That is really dumb. Good thing I'm not planning on doing much multiplayer

with_teeth26

[QUOTE="jacobhazard1704"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Then you must be new to gaming. Games historically have sold out quite often.

GummiRaccoon

link? I read reviews and player opinions before buying a game, who comits that early? It's a market filled with developers that want you to buy games before they are released. Amazon, Gamestop, BestBuy, Steam, Origin, they all have pre order bonuses.

How about mine and every long time gamers experience? I've personally tried to buy a few games that I had to go to several stores to actually find a copy, like warcraft III diablo 2, half life, doom3...

there was a time I did preorders and then I just switched to digital distribution, can't run out of dd games

What an awful AWFUL idea i hope this is not a new trend. Who on earth thought this was a good idea it just alienates people who wont buy the limited edition version. Lost a potential customer here to be honest.

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[QUOTE="jacobhazard1704"]

link? I read reviews and player opinions before buying a game, who comits that early? It's a market filled with developers that want you to buy games before they are released. Amazon, Gamestop, BestBuy, Steam, Origin, they all have pre order bonuses.

guynamedbilly

How about mine and every long time gamers experience? I've personally tried to buy a few games that I had to go to several stores to actually find a copy, like warcraft III diablo 2, half life, doom3...

there was a time I did preorders and then I just switched to digital distribution, can't run out of dd games

What an incredibly stupid idea!

I never really played the Max Payne games, but if this is how Rockstar is going to start treating it's multiplayer... I cringe thinking of something similar for GTA V. :(

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="jacobhazard1704"]

link? I read reviews and player opinions before buying a game, who comits that early? It's a market filled with developers that want you to buy games before they are released. Amazon, Gamestop, BestBuy, Steam, Origin, they all have pre order bonuses.

guynamedbilly

How about mine and every long time gamers experience? I've personally tried to buy a few games that I had to go to several stores to actually find a copy, like warcraft III diablo 2, half life, doom3...

there was a time I did preorders and then I just switched to digital distribution, can't run out of dd games

The last 3 years doesn't count as being long time.

25+ years reporting in.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

How about mine and every long time gamers experience? I've personally tried to buy a few games that I had to go to several stores to actually find a copy, like warcraft III diablo 2, half life, doom3...

there was a time I did preorders and then I just switched to digital distribution, can't run out of dd games

GummiRaccoon

The last 3 years doesn't count as being long time.

25+ years reporting in.

One of the worst ideas ever. Pre-order so we can give you a totally unfair advantage over other players. WTF is wrong with these companies?

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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] I am a long time gamer. I counter your argument. I've never gone to the local stores to buy any game ever and had it sold out.guynamedbilly

The last 3 years doesn't count as being long time.

25+ years reporting in.

I think you just don't buy games day 1 then. Or you are full of sh!t

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

The last 3 years doesn't count as being long time.

25+ years reporting in.

GummiRaccoon

I think you just don't buy games day 1 then. Or you are full of sh!t

I have bought many games day one, and I think that they are less likely to sell out being a new game than a game that is 5+ years old. It might also have to do with where you live. Higher populated cities would have less local retailers and more consumers, but overall the idea of selling out of software baffles me, I have never heard of that. The only thing I ever see selling out is hardware (think of every major console launch)

They probably thought "Hey, we already crapped on our franchise by introducing multiplayer to get some extra money, so why don't we crap some more and get... some more extra money."

They probably thought "Hey, we already crapped on our franchise by introducing multiplayer to get some extra money, so why don't we crap some more and get... some more extra money."

PfizersaurusRex

Sad but true :(

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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Well, considering I'm 27 and have been playing since I was five or so... It's BS that you need to preorder. Maybe for some people that don't have stores nearby, but not normally.jacobhazard1704

I think you just don't buy games day 1 then. Or you are full of sh!t

I have bought many games day one, and I think that they are less likely to sell out being a new game than a game that is 5+ years old. It might also have to do with where you live. Higher populated cities would have less local retailers and more consumers, but overall the idea of selling out of software baffles me, I have never heard of that. The only thing I ever see selling out is hardware (think of every major console launch)

I'm from San Jose. If we get games emptying on shelves here, no matter what city you are in, it can happen there too.

Most likely the mp will be p2p which means cheatfest anyway.