I gave into AMD's Spider platform Hype :/

Yep, that's right. I just bought an AMD 790FX MSI motherboard from newegg.com. I also have 2 Radeon HD3870 videocards on the way so I can have a Crossfire setup. One of the cards should be in today, the other one is on backorder. I'm just waiting for the Phenom quad core CPU's now, or more specifically the Black Edition of the Phenom 9600 which is supposed to come out sometime next month. I've read rumors that it's supposed to overclock to 3 GHZ which would really make it an awesome CPU.

And yes I know I could have went the Intel route and made a more powerful machine from a CPU perspective, but then again most games rely heavily on the GPU rather then the CPU so I doubt this machine would run games noticeably slower then an Intel based machine, especially with a crossfire setup. Add 4 GB's of DDR2 1066 ram and a raptor drive and I think this should run Crysis On Very high settings or at least close to it at a nice framerate. *cross fingers*

But like I said, I gave into AMD's marketing hype and feel a little guilty. Oh well, I'm sure this "Spider platform" will perform beyond my expectations and maybe even surprise me.

Phenom 9900 clocked at 2,6Ghz cant even beat Q6600 most of the time. AMD obviously cant keep up whit Intel last few months. To bad you didnt go whit Intel... Even if that Phenom you mentioned could OC to 3.0Ghz intel CPUs can also OC not to mention that Phenom has some calculating problems, its slower then Intel when comparing clock to clock (2,4Ghz Q6600 beats 2,6Ghz Phenom), and more..... The guy who reviewed Phenom on lower link was pretty sad and angry.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153&p=1

The AMD boat is slowly going down and down.........

Btw what resolutin are u planning to run Crysis? Crysis doesnt gain much from SLI/crossfire setups so good luck running it on very high in anything above 1280x1024....

Phenom 9900 clocked at 2,6Ghz cant even beat Q6600 most of the time. AMD obviously cant keep up whit Intel last few months. To bad you didnt go whit Intel... Even if that Phenom you mentioned could OC to 3.0Ghz intel CPUs can also OC not to mention that Phenom has some calculating problems, its slower then Intel when comparing clock to clock (2,4Ghz Q6600 beats 2,6Ghz Phenom), and more..... The guy who reviewed Phenom on lower link was pretty sad and angry.......

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153&p=1

Btw what resolutin are u planning to run Crysis? Crysis doesnt gain much from SLI/crossfire setups so good luck running it on very high in anything above 1280x1024....

domke13

Edit: I'll be playing all my games at 1440 * 900. Crysis doesn't gain much from SLI or Crossfire as of now because the game doesn't really support it. Crytek is supposed to release a patch to address this issue. Also AMD is aware that Crossfire is having problems so everything should be fixed with their new 7.11 drivers.

[QUOTE="domke13"]

Phenom 9900 clocked at 2,6Ghz cant even beat Q6600 most of the time. AMD obviously cant keep up whit Intel last few months. To bad you didnt go whit Intel... Even if that Phenom you mentioned could OC to 3.0Ghz intel CPUs can also OC not to mention that Phenom has some calculating problems, its slower then Intel when comparing clock to clock (2,4Ghz Q6600 beats 2,6Ghz Phenom), and more..... The guy who reviewed Phenom on lower link was pretty sad and angry.......

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153&p=1

Btw what resolutin are u planning to run Crysis? Crysis doesnt gain much from SLI/crossfire setups so good luck running it on very high in anything above 1280x1024....

karasill

The speed isnt really the only problem of Phenom........ Read review.

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="domke13"]

Phenom 9900 clocked at 2,6Ghz cant even beat Q6600 most of the time. AMD obviously cant keep up whit Intel last few months. To bad you didnt go whit Intel... Even if that Phenom you mentioned could OC to 3.0Ghz intel CPUs can also OC not to mention that Phenom has some calculating problems, its slower then Intel when comparing clock to clock (2,4Ghz Q6600 beats 2,6Ghz Phenom), and more..... The guy who reviewed Phenom on lower link was pretty sad and angry.......

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153&p=1

Btw what resolutin are u planning to run Crysis? Crysis doesnt gain much from SLI/crossfire setups so good luck running it on very high in anything above 1280x1024....

domke13

The speed isnt really the only problem of Phenom........ Read review.

Srry for double post. I just noticed Wesker posted AMD Phenom benchmakrs already. Sorry, for posting them again.domke13

[QUOTE="domke13"]Srry for double post. I just noticed Wesker posted AMD Phenom benchmakrs already. Sorry, for posting them again.karasill

IMO AMD will have some problems writting drivers for their "Spider platform" whit 4 GPUs. Remember 4x7800 GTX Quad SLI which offered almost same performance as 7800 GTX SLI. hm

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="domke13"]Srry for double post. I just noticed Wesker posted AMD Phenom benchmakrs already. Sorry, for posting them again.domke13

IMO AMD will have some problems writting drivers for their "Spider platform" whit 4 GPUs. Remember 4x7800 GTX Quad SLI which offered almost same performance as 7800 GTX SLI. hm

read tom's hardware review its tootally different its really confusing I think AMD is loosing due to small software addoption of multi core proccesors

now look at this http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/

True, but like I said. Games rely on GPU's much more then CPU's. I'm sure I could have bought an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ and paired with two 3870 videocards in crossfire I'd still be able to run any game no problem, even Crysis. CPU's while veryimportant, are just not required as much for gaming as GPU's are. I mean, it's not like the Phenom CPU's are slow because they are very fast, they're just not as fast as the competition which doesn't really bother me.karasill

So why don't you just stick with dual core? Quad core doesn't exactly give a ground breaking in-game performance increase...

http://www.hothardware.com/articles/AMD_Spider_Platform__Phenom_790FX_RV670/?page=12

I really don't see why you would want to pay extra money for something you can probably get more out of something else.

IMO AMD will have some problems writting drivers for their "Spider platform" whit 4 GPUs. Remember 4x7800 GTX Quad SLI which offered almost same performance as 7800 GTX SLI. hm

domke13

AMD/ATI support with new good drivers, something that Nvidia lacks specially in SLI

Wasn't the Phenom sposed to be released in November?navigas

The Phenom launched today

I really don't see why you would want to pay extra money for something you can probably get more out of something else.

GamingMonkeyPC

Agreed.

can one of you smart people, guy with the cat avatar maybe, explain to me if the quad verions of intel mobos can support higher frequencies of ram than the C2D ? Why kind of ram would really go well with a q600 too? I'm having concerns over PC2 ram sticks..and wether there good for C2DS or for Quad cores..
NEOSPARKING

If you are going whit C2D or C2Q go for 2 or 4GB (2 GB is enough for games though) 800Mhz DDR2 RAM. That is PC2 6400 if i am not wrong. That would be your best bet. But you can also go for 1066Mhz DDR2 Moduls, which are meant more for easier overclocking.. And about your first question. It all depends on what mobo you buy. Basicly any mobo that supports C2D can support C2Q and other way around. I would go for something whit P35 chipset, or X38 if you have money. They are both good choice, and also overclock good...And both should fit RAM i recommended.

[QUOTE="karasill"] True, but like I said. Games rely on GPU's much more then CPU's. I'm sure I could have bought an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ and paired with two 3870 videocards in crossfire I'd still be able to run any game no problem, even Crysis. CPU's while veryimportant, are just not required as much for gaming as GPU's are. I mean, it's not like the Phenom CPU's are slow because they are very fast, they're just not as fast as the competition which doesn't really bother me.GamingMonkeyPC

So why don't you just stick with dual core? Quad core doesn't exactly give a ground breaking in-game performance increase...

I really don't see why you would want to pay extra money for something you can probably get more out of something else.

I would have waited on the Phenom, at least long enough for the mobo companies to get their bios revision out to support it. From what I have been reading, the new chip has some bugs in it that need a bios revision and a can of RAID +0 or +1 won't work (excuse the pc pun). ~grin~vicsrealms

[QUOTE="GamingMonkeyPC"]

[QUOTE="karasill"] True, but like I said. Games rely on GPU's much more then CPU's. I'm sure I could have bought an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ and paired with two 3870 videocards in crossfire I'd still be able to run any game no problem, even Crysis. CPU's while veryimportant, are just not required as much for gaming as GPU's are. I mean, it's not like the Phenom CPU's are slow because they are very fast, they're just not as fast as the competition which doesn't really bother me.karasill

So why don't you just stick with dual core? Quad core doesn't exactly give a ground breaking in-game performance increase...

I really don't see why you would want to pay extra money for something you can probably get more out of something else.

Aw. If you have plenty of money to blow just go whit Intel and 2x8800GT SLI, or 2x8800 GTX. :roll:

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="GamingMonkeyPC"]

[QUOTE="karasill"]True, but like I said. Games rely on GPU's much more then CPU's. I'm sure I could have bought an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ and paired with two 3870 videocards in crossfire I'd still be able to run any game no problem, even Crysis. CPU's while veryimportant, are just not required as much for gaming as GPU's are. I mean, it's not like the Phenom CPU's are slow because they are very fast, they're just not as fast as the competition which doesn't really bother me.domke13

So why don't you just stick with dual core? Quad core doesn't exactly give a ground breaking in-game performance increase...

I really don't see why you would want to pay extra money for something you can probably get more out of something else.

Aw. If you have plenty of money to blow just go whit Intel and 2x8800GT SLI, or 2x8800 GTX. :roll:

It's not always about super high end uber performance buddy. I look at other aspects of hardware and features too. The Spider platform should not be underrated and has a lot of potential. I especialy like how AMD included a very robust overclocking utilty that works specifically for the Phenom CPU'sand Radeon 3000 series cards. The new chipsets support DDR2 1066 memory, so it saves me the trouble of having to overclock DDR2 800 ram, it also has Hyper Transport 3, PCI Express 2.0, 2000/4000 mhz FSB. I mean there are just so many attractive features that AMD is putting out on this Spider platoform.

The Spider platform is a good one, the CPU is the underwhelming part and even that has its benefits over Intel alternatives.RichterBelmont7

[QUOTE="RichterBelmont7"]The Spider platform is a good one, the CPU is the underwhelming part and even that has its benefits over Intel alternatives.karasill

The most tempting part on the Spider platform is the quad crossfire that it supports.

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="RichterBelmont7"]The Spider platform is a good one, the CPU is the underwhelming part and even that has its benefits over Intel alternatives.wklzip

The most tempting part on the Spider platform is the quad crossfire that it supports.

Yeah it's pretty cool, but I wonder how well it'll perform. Dual crossfire has proved itself, let's see how quad does.karasill

It has been reported that increases performance up to 3.2 times, lets hope future drivers help to increase even more the performance.

[QUOTE="karasill"] Yeah it's pretty cool, but I wonder how well it'll perform. Dual crossfire has proved itself, let's see how quad does.wklzip

It has been reported that increases performance up to 3.2 times of a single card, lets hope future drivers help to increase even more its performance.

[QUOTE="karasill"] Yeah it's pretty cool, but I wonder how well it'll perform. Dual crossfire has proved itself, let's see how quad does.wklzip

It has been reported that increases performance up to 3.2 times, lets hope future drivers help to increase even more the performance.

Well those are the numbers AMD has given which to paraphrase one website should always be taken with a pinch of gourmet sea salt, but 2 card Crossfire has an edge over SLI, we know that much so it may not be too far off.

[QUOTE="wklzip"]

[QUOTE="karasill"] Yeah it's pretty cool, but I wonder how well it'll perform. Dual crossfire has proved itself, let's see how quad does.RichterBelmont7

It has been reported that increases performance up to 3.2 times, lets hope future drivers help to increase even more the performance.

Well those are the numbers AMD has given which to paraphrase one website should always be taken with a pinch of gourmet sea salt, but 2 card Crossfire has an edge over SLI, we know that much so it may not be too far off.

Agreed, we need benchies to prove it, until now normal crossfire is working great for AMD.

[QUOTE="vicsrealms"]I would have waited on the Phenom, at least long enough for the mobo companies to get their bios revision out to support it. From what I have been reading, the new chip has some bugs in it that need a bios revision and a can of RAID +0 or +1 won't work (excuse the pc pun). ~grin~karasill

~sigh~ That pun went over someone's head. Read it again and think of bugs and a can of Raid (you know it kills bugs) then make comments. ~grin~

As for the bugs, Tomshardware mentioned the following: "The bug causes the system to freeze when a certain combination of instructions coincides with extraordinarily high traffic."

Still, the only 790FX chipset motherboard out there seems to be one from MSI with way too many x16 slots and not enough PCI slots. As well as an ASUS board that looks like they ddin't even think about component placement. Which is probably the main reason I am heading Intel in June.