How Much is a good gaming pc worth?

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#1 DaGamer77
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I want to get a new gaming computer since my laptop is to full. How much would one cost to play WoW or  Guild Wars?
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#2 marmadukeleet
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If you already have some of the peripherals (i.e. keyboard, monitor) from an old computer, you could probably get away with building a pc for 600 or so. It would not be top of the line though. If you wanted a better machine, probably expect to spend about 1400 or so.
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Well if you don't mind settings on low graphic detail, then you could get a comp going for around 700$, if you want something high end, and play bf2142 style games on full detail you'll need a bit more power, I'm guessing around 1700$.

Hope this helps.

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I already have an old pc in my basement... all i need is a new hard drive. I am only looking to play WoW or Guild Wars and nothing else.
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What type of brand and processor should I get also?
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#6 Teraph
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Nothing against you, but it seems that you don't know too much about computer components. Are you going to be the one installing these into your computer? Or will you have some help?
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#7 lol_waffles
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I want to get a new gaming computer since my laptop is to full. How much would one cost to play WoW or Guild Wars?DaGamer77
World of Warcraft will run on pretty much any computer made in the last 1-2 years. Make sure you have AT LEAST 512 MB of RAM. I haven't played GW very long so I can't comment on it.
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[QUOTE="DaGamer77"]I want to get a new gaming computer since my laptop is to full. How much would one cost to play WoW or Guild Wars?lol_waffles
World of Warcraft will run on pretty much any computer made in the last 1-2 years. Make sure you have AT LEAST 512 MB of RAM. I haven't played GW very long so I can't comment on it.

I can't have a mac.
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#9 DaGamer77
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Sorry I am not obssed with them like you.
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#10 lol_waffles
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So, uh, you have a Mac? I'm not too familiar with Mac hardware so I can't help you with that.
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#11 DaGamer77
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So, uh, you have a Mac? I'm not too familiar with Mac hardware so I can't help you with that.lol_waffles
I know it dosent work on Macs. So I am asking how much a good but not great destop would be
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#12 podog22
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ya prb around 2g if your lucky
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[QUOTE="lol_waffles"]So, uh, you have a Mac? I'm not too familiar with Mac hardware so I can't help you with that.DaGamer77
I know it dosent work on Macs. So I am asking how much a good but not great destop would be

WoW works with Macs. But anyway, if you build your own good but not great desktop, you could have a decent computer for around $400.
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#14 DaGamer77
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I have made up my mind and want Guild wars since it is free online play. $400 for a destop thats not bad... i already have 150 in my wallet and 200 in my checking account.
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#15 xche78x
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Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
----------------------------------------------
this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
or you can buy a $300-$500 pre-built by some manufacturers,  that will have either celeron or low class athlon and built in graphics, and will play crappy. ^_^
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Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
----------------------------------------------
this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
xche78x
Thanks for the info
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#17 deadmeat59
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guild wars is better then wow. wow is a very boring game you do the same stuff over and over. but you dont need a god comput 2 run it. my old 1.7ghz 512 ram ati 9200 can run that game on mid settings fine. dont go buying like a daul core 4ghz for that games
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#18 concord9
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I have made up my mind and want Guild wars since it is free online play. $400 for a destop thats not bad... i already have 150 in my wallet and 200 in my checking account.
DaGamer77

LOL, that's some equity you got there.

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for a kick-ass tower... 1300-1400 bucks, i spent 1350 on mine (month and a half ago) and its really good!

300 for a good monitor

100 bucks for good speaker system

20 bucks for a keyboard

15 bucks for a optical mouse

8 bucks for surge protecter

and that takes care of EVERYTHING YOU'LL NEED!

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If you build it and skip things like the keyboard and monitor, you can build a great gaming rig for anywhere from 1000-1500 dollars.
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[QUOTE="xche78x"]Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
----------------------------------------------
this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
DaGamer77
Thanks for the info

Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars. 

Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.

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[QUOTE="DaGamer77"][QUOTE="xche78x"]Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
----------------------------------------------
this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
CaptHawkeye

Thanks for the info

Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars.

Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.

Thanks I will see if my dad will think I am nuts for wanting another computer... I alread bought a Mac iBook G4 last year...
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If you're only playing Guild Wars, and Wow on max settings your don't really need a top of the line computer.

It should cost around $600 to build, and maybe $700-800 pre-built.

Here's the specs you should be looking at to play Guild Wars maxed out (WOW should be the same or even lower)

2.0ghz amd or 3.0ghz intel cpu
1 gig ram (might be able to get by w/ 512mb, but 1 gig is not much more)
6600 or higher nividia graphics card (not sure what the ATI equivalant is)


You might be able to build a low quality system for $400, but you must remember that alot of low quality PSU, cases, mobo, and ram will just end up causing more headaches, and probably cost you more $$$ in the long run.
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[QUOTE="DaGamer77"][QUOTE="xche78x"]Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
----------------------------------------------
this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
CaptHawkeye

Thanks for the info

Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars. 

Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.

I have an Athlon 4200+ dual core and, I gotta say YES dual core is way worth it. IMO

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#25 cperry005
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LOL! that guy says dual cores arent worth it I guess the chip designers disagree
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Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars.

Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.

CaptHawkeye


WHAT?!? who told you that lie. The purpose of two cores is to run to instructions at the same time. The benefit of this has yet to be fully realized since most programs and current games are not multi-core aware. This will change in up coming titles though since developers are already mentioning games that will take advantage of such hardware. Such as using one core to do nothing but physics calculations. This will equal more impressive physics in such a game and less of a hit on overall system performance since you do not have just one core trying to process all of that by itself.

To DaGamer77,
For the use of WoW and Guild Wars the performance difference of dual-core will be little or nothing though.
I recommend building a system based around an AMD Athlon 64 since that is a good performer as far as Single Core CPUs go, and you can get it for cheap. I have seen the Athlon 64 3000+ for around $70 online. So basing your system on a GPU like that will leave you lots of cash for other stuff.
As for a motherboard try looking for one with an nVidia nForce4 chipset with an Integrated GeForce6100 graphics chip.(such as the BioStar TForce 6100). While this does not offer the highest end in PC graphics it should save you lots of money and be more than enough to run WoW or Guild Wars. That too should save you a lot of money so you can put about 1GB of RAM in the system(this is important since the GeForce6100 on the board will use some of the RAM for itself).
That should be a good start for a cheap system that can play those games, and if you use the motherboard I recommended or one similiar then you will have a PCI x16 slot available for future graphics upgrades when you have the budget to get a new graphics card.
Good luck.
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If you're only playing Guild Wars, and Wow on max settings your don't really need a top of the line computer.

It should cost around $600 to build, and maybe $700-800 pre-built.

Here's the specs you should be looking at to play Guild Wars maxed out (WOW should be the same or even lower)

2.0ghz amd or 3.0ghz intel cpu
1 gig ram (might be able to get by w/ 512mb, but 1 gig is not much more)
6600 or higher nividia graphics card (not sure what the ATI equivalant is)


You might be able to build a low quality system for $400, but you must remember that alot of low quality PSU, cases, mobo, and ram will just end up causing more headaches, and probably cost you more $$$ in the long run.
jrhawk42
Great advice thanks :)
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Moved to PC Hardware.
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[QUOTE="DaGamer77"][QUOTE="xche78x"]Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
----------------------------------------------
this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
CaptHawkeye

Thanks for the info

Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars. 

Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.



BullSh*T !!
dual core processors dont have an extra core incase the first one fails
that is insane.
dual cores, are processors with 2 cores, basically 2 brains instead of 1
however this doesnt mean that a dual core 2 ghz =  a single core 4ghz

in the near future programmes will start using both cores and all the 1's and 0's will be processed alot faster
this means that your pc will work alot faster..
and also games, (when developers start coding for dual core's )
the games will run smoother and stuff

i cant explain it good
but i know this much
a dual core isnt a processor with a spare core incase one fails
their both used equally

its like saying a massive lorry has 18 wheels incase one of them punctures
¬_¬
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Whoops sorry about posting in wrong thread... I didnt know :oops:
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Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars. Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.

CaptHawkeye

you've got no idea how dual cores work... i can't even try to think of where you'd have heard that

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[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="DaGamer77"][QUOTE="xche78x"]Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
----------------------------------------------
this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
Ephexis

Thanks for the info

Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars.

Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.



BullSh*T !!
dual core processors dont have an extra core incase the first one fails
that is insane.
dual cores, are processors with 2 cores, basically 2 brains instead of 1
however this doesnt mean that a dual core 2 ghz = a single core 4ghz

in the near future programmes will start using both cores and all the 1's and 0's will be processed alot faster
this means that your pc will work alot faster..
and also games, (when developers start coding for dual core's )
the games will run smoother and stuff

i cant explain it good
but i know this much
a dual core isnt a processor with a spare core incase one fails
their both used equally

its like saying a massive lorry has 18 wheels incase one of them punctures
¬_¬



Jesus people. Forgive me if i'm not one to jump headfirst into the "latest and greatest". Just so you know, newer technology is not necessarily better technology.
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#33 xche78x
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[QUOTE="Ephexis"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="DaGamer77"][QUOTE="xche78x"]Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
----------------------------------------------
this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
CaptHawkeye

Thanks for the info

Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars.

Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.



BullSh*T !!
dual core processors dont have an extra core incase the first one fails
that is insane.
dual cores, are processors with 2 cores, basically 2 brains instead of 1
however this doesnt mean that a dual core 2 ghz = a single core 4ghz

in the near future programmes will start using both cores and all the 1's and 0's will be processed alot faster
this means that your pc will work alot faster..
and also games, (when developers start coding for dual core's )
the games will run smoother and stuff

i cant explain it good
but i know this much
a dual core isnt a processor with a spare core incase one fails
their both used equally

its like saying a massive lorry has 18 wheels incase one of them punctures
¬_¬



Jesus people. Forgive me if i'm not one to jump headfirst into the "latest and greatest". Just so you know, newer technology is not necessarily better technology.

 

well it is, for the information of the misleaded too, multi core cpu's are praktical for people like me that uses the PC as a multipurpose appliance, eg movies, music, gaming, ne, etc. multi core cpu are multi times faster in encoding of videos/music and everything on dektop processing because windows uses ALL cores hence FASTER. and gaming are now supporting more cores. my recommendation is just a little pricey but it can sure run games released on 2007 with some gfx tweaking eg medium detail instead of high which doesnt take much fun out of a game. try playing supreme commander.

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[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="Ephexis"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="DaGamer77"][QUOTE="xche78x"]Intel Type PC
cpu chip - get the cheapest core 2 duo or pentiums 4 / D which are on sale throughout this year $100-$300
mobo - anything that works with cpu's above $50-$300
decent Geforce gpu - from geforce FX 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, geforce 7xxx, $50-$600
memory - DDR2 of course - 512MB-2GB - $50-250/each
monitor - anything capable of 1024 or above - $60-$thousands depends on size and model
power supply/case/mouse/keyboard/speaker/table/chair - $20-$150
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I Recommend
cpu - core 2 duo = 305
mobo - asus = 80
gpu - geforce 7600 = 180
memory - 1GB = 90
monitor - used 17" or 19" = 50
extras = 100
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this is the cheapest pc setup that can fully play (30-60FPS) all games until 2006 or early 2007.
xche78x

Thanks for the info

Duo core is in dispute. Frankly, I find Dual Cores to be a waste of money. Of the two CPUs, only one is actually used. The other one is a backup incase the first one fails. This means that your system will rarely freeze, but one has to wonder if thats worth another 200 dollars.

Your better off with a 2.4 Ghz single processor.



BullSh*T !!
dual core processors dont have an extra core incase the first one fails
that is insane.
dual cores, are processors with 2 cores, basically 2 brains instead of 1
however this doesnt mean that a dual core 2 ghz = a single core 4ghz

in the near future programmes will start using both cores and all the 1's and 0's will be processed alot faster
this means that your pc will work alot faster..
and also games, (when developers start coding for dual core's )
the games will run smoother and stuff

i cant explain it good
but i know this much
a dual core isnt a processor with a spare core incase one fails
their both used equally

its like saying a massive lorry has 18 wheels incase one of them punctures
¬_¬



Jesus people. Forgive me if i'm not one to jump headfirst into the "latest and greatest". Just so you know, newer technology is not necessarily better technology.

 

well it is, for the information of the misleaded too, multi core cpu's are praktical for people like me that uses the PC as a multipurpose appliance, eg movies, music, gaming, ne, etc. multi core cpu are multi times faster in encoding of videos/music and everything on dektop processing because windows uses ALL cores hence FASTER. and gaming are now supporting more cores. my recommendation is just a little pricey but it can sure run games released on 2007 with some gfx tweaking eg medium detail instead of high which doesnt take much fun out of a game. try playing supreme commander.

 

qft...... prepare for lagfest with single core on supcom. intel and AMD are pushing the multi-core platform to the games developers and they are slowly, but surely, adopting support for them. 

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This is such a touchy question, particularly because some people will casually say how they can "build" a gamer box for about the same price as a base xbox 360, which is a total load of crock, since they casually forget things like the fact that the thing will need an OS, a hard drive, and a lot of other crucial peripherals in their configurations to make things work.

It's nice if you still have a lot of components you don't mind reusing over into a new system, but that is never really the "best" option. The ideal is to start with a new everything.

In my case, that took me about $1800 for the tower; the school gave me a free copy of Windows XP Professional and Office 2003, and about $600 for the delicious widescreen monitor I enjoy now. :) 

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#36 jfelisario
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This is such a touchy question, particularly because some people will casually say how they can "build" a gamer box for about the same price as a base xbox 360, which is a total load of crock, since they casually forget things like the fact that the thing will need an OS, a hard drive, and a lot of other crucial peripherals in their configurations to make things work.

It's nice if you still have a lot of components you don't mind reusing over into a new system, but that is never really the "best" option. The ideal is to start with a new everything.

In my case, that took me about $1800 for the tower; the school gave me a free copy of Windows XP Professional and Office 2003, and about $600 for the delicious widescreen monitor I enjoy now. :)

codezer0

 

quite true on the prices, though where I live, an 8800 gtx costs a palty 2,250,000 Indonesian Rupiah :) 

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#37 jfelisario
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booyah

1 8800 GTX = cheap in Indonesia

getting from where you are to Indonesia is another matter though.... :)