Game that let you choose Good or Evil, from 2 different factions.

I have always liked moral choice systems. But it feels like all games that use them, just put them there to have something to brag about. they dont really do anything specific.

And pretty much all the games use "points", that you earn or lose.

Now, i am looking for a game, where your choice completely changes everything. Say for example that you are playing transformers, as a autobot, but for some reason get the option to join the decepticons. If you choose to stay, you do "good" missions, and if you change, "evil".

Maybe you even end up fighting in the "same" missions, but from the other perspectiove. Like if, you were told, as an autobot, to assault a fort, if you join the decepticons, you play the same misson, but you defend the fort instead.

Im just pulling some random things from my a** right now, and only used Transformers, since they have very clear "good vs Evil" factions.

Are there any PC games like this? Where the game completely changes in the way i just described?

good vs evil is too simplistic a duality which CPPG has gone beyond from the beginnig. Take dnd's alignment system for example, you have chaotic-netural-lawful adding to the good-evil pair.

I myself don't fancy a game that's designed around the good-evil dualism and so I'd prefer the good old choice-consequence styIe quests in CRPG: alignment, cIass and even character stats would affect the outcome of quests.

anyway, Alphal Protocol is the best in choice-consequence currently, and it's much better and sophisticated than a mere good-evil interplay. the dialog options, the perks you aquire, the relationship with NPCs and etc would greatly affect how a quest would proceed.

A few of the Star wars games do that, most notably KOTOR 1 and 2. These games allow you to make your own choices which will determine the outcome of the game.

Dragon Age Origins also has some choices that change the games outcome too.

Starcraft 2 had choices aswell but im not sure how much they effect the games outcome as so far I have only played through the campaign once.

Oblivion has its choices but none that effect the ending, they mainly just effect your standing with certain factions in the game. (like the dark brotherhood)

I heard that Alpha Protocol has a lot of story effecting choices but I didnt really play enough of it to find out as I thaught the game was garbage and gave it to my nephew.

In what way does Oblivion let you choose faction? You can join all factions at the same time, without any regard for Good or Evil.

Oblivion has its choices but none that effect the ending, they mainly just effect yourstanding with certain factions in the game. (like the dark brotherhood)

The choices you make change weather or not these factions will like you or weather they even let you do quests for them. Since you said you were looking for games where your choices change things then there you go...

Starcraft 2 had choices aswell but im not sure how much they effect the games outcome as so far I have only played through the campaign once.

pelvist

You obviously didn't get my point at all. if people like you more or less, doesnt affect sh*t really. I wanted MAJOR changes.

Something like that is what i had in mind. But with other changes than the guards looking different and so on. I want the entire game to change.

Like one mod in Morrowind, where you could join Dagoth ur, assault Ebonheart and kill Vivec. Afterwards, there were zombies walking the streets, ashstorms everywhere etc... you could really see and feel the changes.

actually, Avatar the video game best fits what OP wants; just few missions into the game, you'll need to make a decision to side with human or Na'vi ... as it sets up, human = evil, Na'vi = good; you will have complete different missions, one is to take Na'vi's land and the other is to defend homeland.

however, as I said, compared to good-evil dualism, games are more appealing to me with sophisticated alignment and choice-consequence design, such as Alpha Protocol.

You obviously didn't get my point at all. if people like you more or less, doesnt affect sh*t really. I wanted MAJOR changes.

Ztiller

Yeah and I pointed that out in my response which YOU obviously didnt get.

I remember Gothic 3 had some pretty game changing results by picking different factions, but I'm not sure if there were different results within those factions. I kind of think it was whichever faction you didn't choose was killed, and your faction moved into their cities and took over their homes and businesses.guynamedbilly

Gothic 3 was the first game that came to mind for me, too. Most quests, regardless of the quest-givers, allow you to betray the faction you're working for and help out the opposing side, and this can have pretty dire consequences (to the point where you can lead revolutions in towns controlled by other factions, and eventually start an all-out, continent-wide war with them).

Alpha Protocol is another great game where your choices can be confused and changed along the way - you don't simply pick from good and evil, and there'll be all sorts of consequences for things as you go along through the game.

Fallout 3 definitely, not only is it an amazing game but it's exactly what you want. For the quests there's at least 2 ways you can do them, usually a lot more than 2. The ways that you do them can be a good way or an evil way and sometimes neutral or neutral.

Fallout 3 definitely, not only is it an amazing game but it's exactly what you want. For the quests there's at least 2 ways you can do them, usually a lot more than 2. The ways that you do them can be a good way or an evil way and sometimes neutral or neutral.

tvogt

The only game with major choices i can think of is Alpha Protocol and for me the gameplay was pretty good.

A game with minor changes is Rise of the Argonauts.

Fallout 3 and the KOTOR games work with the "good and bad" system.

If you're looking for a medieval game you should definetely try the Witcher.That one's not with the "good and bad" system but every choice you make is like gray, at times you have to choose the lesser evil.

The Witcher doesn't let you choose between good or evil, choices in it are pretty...gray.rmfd341

I agree. You can get deep choices such as "I'll help you", "Pay me and I'll help" or "Die!". If only more games had the moral dilemmas of Fallout 3.Vfanek

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