Concinve me that the RTS genre is not dying.

If it was a dying genre, then SC2 would not have sold the incredible numbers it did. Although I agree with your general points that there are not many high quality titles per year, I think SC2's success proves that people still want to play the games. I'm happy with a very occasional and excellent RTS game and am not always in search of a new one, but most RTS fans might feel differently.

well DoW 2 Retribution comes out in a few months, it looks good, (a fair bit better then the others in the series named"II")

While Im unsure if it will be an RTS game, Dungeons is our tight around the coener (like 4-11 Feb) Altho from what I hear it is less Dungeon keeper, and more Tower defence).

Then ther is the Shogun TW game... those are the ones I remember on the top of my head, all within a 3 month period, so yeah...

If it was a dying genre, then SC2 would not have sold the incredible numbers it did. Although I agree with your general points that there are not many high quality titles per year, I think SC2's success proves that people still want to play the games. I'm happy with a very occasional and excellent RTS game and am not always in search of a new one, but most RTS fans might feel differently.

mkaliaz

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If it was a dying genre, then SC2 would not have sold the incredible numbers it did. Although I agree with your general points that there are not many high quality titles per year, I think SC2's success proves that people still want to play the games. I'm happy with a very occasional and excellent RTS game and am not always in search of a new one, but most RTS fans might feel differently.

Crimsader

LOL, I forgot about the sims award thing. That was disgraceful. You make some good points though. It might not be mainstream anymore. I can only speak from my own experience, but I am not that interested in the genre anymore. I still buy Steam games occasionally when they are heavily discount, but they usually go unplayed. My interest in the genre has definetely decreased in the last 10 years.

With Blizzard holding standards so high, it seems like everything else has lost its charm.

I don't need anything else besides SC2 and Total War Games.

RTS's require you the think hard constantly to win. Most gamers want to shut their brains off when they play games and as the world has gotten more dumbed down by deteriorating education systems and the dominace of console gaming and the watered down effect its had on innovation, its no surprise that RTS development has suffered and most people look elsewhere for their gaming needs.

RTS's require you the think hard constantly to win. Most gamers want to shut their brains off when they play games and as the world has gotten more dumbed down by deteriorating education systems and the dominace of console gaming and the watered down effect its had on innovation, its no surprise that RTS development has suffered and most people look elsewhere for their gaming needs.

Rawtheory333

Rofl, pc fanboys are funny, they love to blame all there platforms problems on other things.

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RTS's require you the think hard constantly to win. Most gamers want to shut their brains off when they play games and as the world has gotten more dumbed down by deteriorating education systems and the dominace of console gaming and the watered down effect its had on innovation, its no surprise that RTS development has suffered and most people look elsewhere for their gaming needs.

warmaster670

Rofl, pc fanboys are funny, they love to blame all there platforms problems on other things.

RTS is dying, and RTT is taking its place. The only difference is RTT minimises basebuilding (Company of Heroes) or entirely eliminates it (Dawn of War 2).

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RTS's require you the think hard constantly to win. Most gamers want to shut their brains off when they play games and as the world has gotten more dumbed down by deteriorating education systems and the dominace of console gaming and the watered down effect its had on innovation, its no surprise that RTS development has suffered and most people look elsewhere for their gaming needs.

wis3boi

Rofl, pc fanboys are funny, they love to blame all there platforms problems on other things.

If anything, last year showed that RTS's are still one of the strongest PC gaming genres around. Both StarCraft II and Sid Meier's Cilivization V were big successes (although I realise Civ V is turn-based, it's still a strategy game). Plus there was also Napoleon: Total War. I would be tempted to say RTS's have never looked better.

Starcraft sold tons, Total War series is aamazing, dont know what your talking about.

not to mention the starcraft2 expansions coming and also Shogun Total War2!

Starcraft 2.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]This thread is facepalm worthy. There are as many RTS games coming out as any other genre.Crimsader

I gotta agree with him for a change, this thread is facepalm worthy.. there are still RTS around these days and some very good ones. Donno what rock you been living under.

RTS is dying, and RTT is taking its place. The only difference is RTT minimises basebuilding (Company of Heroes) or entirely eliminates it (Dawn of War 2).

Whiteblade999

[QUOTE="Crimsader"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]This thread is facepalm worthy. There are as many RTS games coming out as any other genre.kozzy1234

I gotta agree with him for a change, this thread is facepalm worthy.. there are still RTS around these days and some very good ones. Donno what rock you been living under.

Can anyone list the good RTS that came out last year? Other than SC2 I can't think of any really great ones. Note that I'm not counting Total War games in the traditional sense of RTS since it features heavy TBS elements.F1_2004

All the people who say this thread is "facepalm worthy" most likely play fps shooters as their main genre. I think the rts genre is terrible right now. I have never liked Starcraft. For starters, the original Starcraft got in the way of Blizzard making Warcraft: Orcs and Humans sequels.......which was extremely disappointing that they didn't choose to stick with the game that made them famous in the first place.

Starcraft never appealed to me at all. Starcraft II is dumb as well. And, oh man, I can't even tell you how much Blizzard turning original Warcraft into an MMORPG makes me feel lol. I realize WoW is popular. I even played it for awhile. But an MMORPG cannot hold even a fraction of the fun and depth that an rts has.

Every remake of every RTS game series has been worse and worse and worse.......and now it is almost dead. Command and Conquer 4 was epic fail, Age of Empires III was worse than II, Warcraft 3 added in heroes as a mainstay in your army,basically killing the army concept (one man armies are dumb imo)and numerous other rts games have been applying army limits and going towards "tactics" instead of strategy.

Overall the rts genre is in the WORST state it's ever been in since about 1993. Since 1994 was the year that the best rts ideas were released, and it's been in free fall ever since. The Total War series came close, but even they don't have base building or resource gathering per-say. Just a sad, sad, state right now.

as long Relic keeps putting out an RTS/Expansion a year i'm happy.

What I really want is a World in Conflict sequel. Shame that will never happen.

why do pc gamers here not appreciate what they have?

anyway, games that only appeal to "nerds" are pretty much dead. gaming has grown much more mainstream, and the games reflect it.

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RTS's require you the think hard constantly to win. Most gamers want to shut their brains off when they play games and as the world has gotten more dumbed down by deteriorating education systems and the dominace of console gaming and the watered down effect its had on innovation, its no surprise that RTS development has suffered and most people look elsewhere for their gaming needs.

wis3boi

Rofl, pc fanboys are funny, they love to blame all there platforms problems on other things.

I'm wondering why it is that RTS fans don't look at the older ones they haven't tried. There are other RTS settings besides war and space.

GamersGate sells some older RTS games, as well as Impulse.

Maybe, just maybe a new Warcraft game will come out, but probably not :(

I'll just copy paste my post from another thread.

Only a list composed of recent titles:

2009

• Demigod
• Battleforge
• Sins of Solar Empire
• Empire: Total War
• Stormrise
• DoW II
• CoH: Tales of Valor
• Codename Panzers: Cold War
• Battlestations: Pacific
• Age of Booty (capcom/2009, pirate RTS game, no joke)
• Perimeter II
• Theatre of War II
• Kingdom under Fire II
• Hearts of Iron III
• World in Conflict: Soviet Assault
• League of Legends
• Tropico 3
• Men of War

2010

• Starcraft II
• Anno 1404: Venice
• DoW II: Chaos Rising
• Supreme Commander 2
• Napoleon: Total War
• Ruse
• The Settlers 7: Paths to a Kingdom
• C&C4

Sure, 2010 was a bit poor compared to 2009, but it's still a good, varied list. Though some suck, like C&C4, there are peeps out there that enjoyed it. And let's not forget about 2008, 2007, etc., etc. And classics, ..

The RTS genre is doing fine as it is, sometimes it has poor years, sometimes fine years. You can't expect anything to be successful each time, especially RTS games.

And i loved AoE3 far more then AoE2.

All the people who say this thread is "facepalm worthy" most likely play fps shooters as their main genre. I think the rts genre is terrible right now. I have never liked Starcraft. For starters, the original Starcraft got in the way of Blizzard making Warcraft: Orcs and Humans sequels.......which was extremely disappointing that they didn't choose to stick with the game that made them famous in the first place.

Starcraft never appealed to me at all. Starcraft II is dumb as well. And, oh man, I can't even tell you how much Blizzard turning original Warcraft into an MMORPG makes me feel lol. I realize WoW is popular. I even played it for awhile. But an MMORPG cannot hold even a fraction of the fun and depth that an rts has.

Every remake of every RTS game series has been worse and worse and worse.......and now it is almost dead. Command and Conquer 4 was epic fail, Age of Empires III was worse than II, Warcraft 3 added in heroes as a mainstay in your army,basically killing the army concept (one man armies are dumb imo)and numerous other rts games have been applying army limits and going towards "tactics" instead of strategy.

Overall the rts genre is in the WORST state it's ever been in since about 1993. Since 1994 was the year that the best rts ideas were released, and it's been in free fall ever since. The Total War series came close, but even they don't have base building or resource gathering per-say. Just a sad, sad, state right now.

V_Rapt0r

RPGS are my main genre actually. But I enjoy Starcraft2, Company Of Heroes, Total War series and other strategy games like Kings Bounty, Solar Empire, Civilization5, Tropico3, Settlers 7, etc.. that have come out the last while.

As for all the bad talk on starcraft.. I enjoy it. Do I like it as much as Warcraft1/2? No.. I personally prefer the RTS Warcraft games, but that doesnt mean starcraft or starcraft2 are bad games, they are actually very good, even if they are not my personal favs.

I'd like to think RTS is like a zombie. It was alive once, it may have died a while ago, but it will always be around.

The RTS genre is in the same state as a lot of other genres, i.e. "proportionally speakkng, a lot of crap and some golden bits". It isn't "dying" any more than the rest of the gaming world.

As for traditional RTSs... they're fun, but they don't do much for me. They don't have the depth potential of grand strat/turn-based strat and they don't have the realism/cinematic potential of RTTs. Honestly, I'm glad that modern RTSs are choosing directions and expanding there - last time I checked, diversification of a genre is a sign that it's, you know, alive.

Technically, tactics and strategy are basically the same thing.

Strategy: A Strategy is a long term plan of action designed to achieve a particular goal.
Tactic: A plan for attaining a particular goal.

The only half-way decent game released within the past two or three years with both base building and resource gathering (i.e. classic rts) is Starcraft II. That's it. And if you don't like futuristic settings........well.........you're screwed.

Some people may call it diversification, I call it the complete and utter destruction of agenre past, that used to befun.