no more good rts games for multiplayer

it might be jsut me but i cannot for the life of me find a rts with a growing active, competitive rts game. there just doesn't seem to be one. i am looking for one with ladders and tournaments and the like, but no rts currently has stuff like that cnc3 had it but since cnc4 came out its been dead. supcom i know has one currently coming up but i was hoping for more than one tournament a year.

anyone have suggestions, i'm open to everything except blizzcrap games, i wouldn't even call them rts games tbh

i have dow but the community is very small nowadays. civ i have tried and the multiplayer is horrid in my opinion. i'm mainly just looking for a game to play as multiplayer, as that gives me the most content per dollar i spend. but i want a huge tournament community, with the whole nine yards. not a game that is struggling to keep 20 players active online

League of Legends.

well i was looking for more of the resource mangement rts style games, also ones like the total war series, i don'twant blizzard games, or games based off blizzard games if thats possible.

i've tried playing something in the range of 30 different rts games online, and none seem to have a community, much less one with tournaments and ladders and so forth

anyone have suggestions, i'm open to everything except blizzcrap games, i wouldn't even call them rts games tbh

masterbreti

wait... what?

Don't have a very firm grasp on the genre there I see.

[QUOTE="masterbreti"]

anyone have suggestions, i'm open to everything except blizzcrap games, i wouldn't even call them rts games tbh

the_mitch28

wait... what?

Don't have a very firm grasp on the genre there I see.

Due His number of post and nickname, I think that Halo Wars fits perfeclty with the kind of experience He's asking for.

it might be jsut me but i cannot for the life of me find a rts with a growing active, competitive rts game. there just doesn't seem to be one. i am looking for one with ladders and tournaments and the like, but no rts currently has stuff like that cnc3 had it but since cnc4 came out its been dead. supcom i know has one currently coming up but i was hoping for more than one tournament a year.

anyone have suggestions, i'm open to everything except blizzcrap games, i wouldn't even call them rts games tbh

masterbreti

HON

it might be jsut me but i cannot for the life of me find a rts with a growing active, competitive rts game. there just doesn't seem to be one. i am looking for one with ladders and tournaments and the like, but no rts currently has stuff like that cnc3 had it but since cnc4 came out its been dead. supcom i know has one currently coming up but i was hoping for more than one tournament a year.

anyone have suggestions, i'm open to everything except blizzcrap games, i wouldn't even call them rts games tbh

masterbreti

[QUOTE="masterbreti"]

it might be jsut me but i cannot for the life of me find a rts with a growing active, competitive rts game. there just doesn't seem to be one. i am looking for one with ladders and tournaments and the like, but no rts currently has stuff like that cnc3 had it but since cnc4 came out its been dead. supcom i know has one currently coming up but i was hoping for more than one tournament a year.

anyone have suggestions, i'm open to everything except blizzcrap games, i wouldn't even call them rts games tbh

PredatorRules

[QUOTE="PredatorRules"][QUOTE="masterbreti"]

it might be jsut me but i cannot for the life of me find a rts with a growing active, competitive rts game. there just doesn't seem to be one. i am looking for one with ladders and tournaments and the like, but no rts currently has stuff like that cnc3 had it but since cnc4 came out its been dead. supcom i know has one currently coming up but i was hoping for more than one tournament a year.

anyone have suggestions, i'm open to everything except blizzcrap games, i wouldn't even call them rts games tbh

ucme4k

I could wirte you a 1000 work essay why D2 is great and not just another hackn slash rpg :D j/k . i find i great , other dont

Now about hate for blizz games... well TC you basicaly want sc2 , but dont want sc2... Only RTS game witch has insane big turneys is SC/SC2 and huge online community witch will be for years plus you get most content for your buck (as there will be ton of costume content) .. anyways...

One thing is odd to me , you make accaunt just to say that you want rts game but you must add "blizzcrap" in your 1st post too... Imo this is just poor trolling atempt , because you just coudve said that you didnt like/want SC .

ok, i have been playing rts games since 03 with AOE 2, so there goes anyones idea of not knowing the genre.

in aspect to my hate of blizz games, well it seems sometimes the only thing everyone suggests is either wc or sc or sc2, so i put it bluntly that the games are horrible and i want nothing to do with them. in regards to diablo, tbh i didn't play the game for very long, but in my opinionit wasn't very good. i am not trying to troll, just trying to find a game. and honestly if you look, i have had this account since feburary, but rarely use it.

in regards to halo wars, i found it a perfectly dumbed down rts, it was to simple and easy to win. also i found world in conflict to be less of what i want, its a good game, but not what i am looking for. in regards to my user name since it has master in it, its a reference to bretoinnia, a race in warhammer, which i played for many years, i used the nickname on one warhammer forum, and it has stuck since.

cnc 3 and 4 look good, but i don't see many tournaments for 3 and 4 had bad reviews. supreme commander 1 and 2 both look awesome, but again they lack that tournament and competitive community.

in terms of what i have played and enjoyed but have no online community.

age of empires 2 and 3

empire: total war

rise of nations

age of mythology

dawn of war

praetorians

lotr: bfme2

medieval 2: total war

mroe suggestions wuold be amazing. thanks so far for those who have answered

You could try sins of a solar empire and its expansions.ucme4k

Indeed , this is a great game , but game can take few days if not more to finish (big game i mean , you can play small maps too )

i'm looking at a few of the game metioned, but none seem to stike my eye.

any more suggestions to what i am looking for. thanks

I'll echo the Heroes of Newerth suggestion. Think of defense of the ancients but with infrastructure built specifically for tournaments, being a competitive game and only carrying a $30 pricetag. If you haven't played dota the game is basically a tower defense where you control 1 guy with 4 teammates that fight a battle over 3 portions of the map against 5 others to get towers and eventually the main base. Sounds simple but really complex when you factor everything into it. Wouldn't suggest LoL at all if you want a real competitive game, its more of a play on and off sort of game with no real competitive backing yet as the infrastructure isnt there (no replays, spectator mode is a hacked 6v6, and no voice chat in game).

i have been looking at both lol and hon, but they don't don't honestly look appealign to me, i'm looking for something thats is an rts, not a rpg with a little rts in there.

sorry if i am being picky, i just haven't found what i am looking for

i have been looking at both lol and hon, but they don't don't honestly look appealign to me, i'm looking for something thats is an rts, not a rpg with a little rts in there.

sorry if i am being picky, i just haven't found what i am looking for

masterbreti

Oh my god, stop suggesting Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends... they aren't f***ing RTS...

Oh my god, stop suggesting Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends... they aren't f***ing RTS...

simardbrad

Wikipedia:

"Heroes of Newerth, or "HoN", is an action real-time strategy video game published and developed by S2 Games based on the Warcraft III scenario Defense of the Ancients[2]. HoN, like Defense of the Ancients, is widely recognized as a competitive game and tournaments with money prizes are regularly organized and held for it."

i am looking at sins of a solar empire, but honestly, it doesn't look appealing to me, the whole space comabt thing looks to be not my cup of tea.

and about the fan googles, i'm not sure what your going by with this, but i am no fan of sc2 or sc.

[QUOTE="simardbrad"]

Oh my god, stop suggesting Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends... they aren't f***ing RTS...

Whiteblade999

Wikipedia:

"Heroes of Newerth, or "HoN", is an action real-time strategy video game published and developed by S2 Games based on the Warcraft III scenario Defense of the Ancients[2]. HoN, like Defense of the Ancients, is widely recognized as a competitive game and tournaments with money prizes are regularly organized and held for it."

I can give two **** what Wikipedia says... that article was obviously written by somebody who doesn't know what an RTS is. You control one unit for god's sake...

[QUOTE="simardbrad"]

Oh my god, stop suggesting Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends... they aren't f***ing RTS...

Whiteblade999

Wikipedia:

"Heroes of Newerth, or "HoN", is an action real-time strategy video game published and developed by S2 Games based on the Warcraft III scenario Defense of the Ancients[2]. HoN, like Defense of the Ancients, is widely recognized as a competitive game and tournaments with money prizes are regularly organized and held for it."

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

[QUOTE="simardbrad"]

Oh my god, stop suggesting Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends... they aren't f***ing RTS...

simardbrad

Wikipedia:

"Heroes of Newerth, or "HoN", is an action real-time strategy video game published and developed by S2 Games based on the Warcraft III scenario Defense of the Ancients[2]. HoN, like Defense of the Ancients, is widely recognized as a competitive game and tournaments with money prizes are regularly organized and held for it."

I can give two **** what Wikipedia says... that article was obviously written by somebody who doesn't know what an RTS is. You control one unit for god's sake...

i have the orignal dow, but i heard dow 2 is not as good, and it doesn't seem that there is a tournament following for the game

i have the orignal dow, but i heard dow 2 is not as good, and it doesn't seem that there is a tournament following for the game

masterbreti

[QUOTE="simardbrad"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Wikipedia:

"Heroes of Newerth, or "HoN", is an action real-time strategy video game published and developed by S2 Games based on the Warcraft III scenario Defense of the Ancients[2]. HoN, like Defense of the Ancients, is widely recognized as a competitive game and tournaments with money prizes are regularly organized and held for it."

ucme4k

I can give two **** what Wikipedia says... that article was obviously written by somebody who doesn't know what an RTS is. You control one unit for god's sake...

[QUOTE="ucme4k"][QUOTE="simardbrad"]

I can give two **** what Wikipedia says... that article was obviously written by somebody who doesn't know what an RTS is. You control one unit for god's sake...

Vfanek

You missed the part "decision-making skills have a high significance in determining the outcome.".

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="ucme4k"] What does controlling 1 unit have to do with that? "A strategy game or strategic game is a game (e.g. computer, video or board game) in which the players' decision-making skills have a high significance in determining the outcome." It is a strategy game with rpg elements. What u are talking about are 4X strategy games they are a sub-genre of strategy games.ucme4k

You missed the part "decision-making skills have a high significance in determining the outcome.".

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[QUOTE="Vfanek"]

You missed the part "decision-making skills have a high significance in determining the outcome.".

Vfanek

I guess Diablo is actually a strategy game. Learn something new every day. ;)KHAndAnime

I guess Diablo is actually a strategy game. Learn something new every day. ;)KHAndAnime

i am looking at sins of a solar empire, but honestly, it doesn't look appealing to me, the whole space comabt thing looks to be not my cup of tea.

and about the fan googles, i'm not sure what your going by with this, but i am no fan of sc2 or sc.

masterbreti

What exactly ARE you looking for?

Define your like's and dislike's, if you want to, and i'll happily give you my suggestion.

[QUOTE="ucme4k"][QUOTE="Vfanek"] Shooter = aim RPG = grind [QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]I guess Diablo is actually a strategy game. Learn something new every day. ;)Vfanek

decision-making= deciding what should be your next move(s) based on the situations present within the match.

When i say high i mean it is like the most important thing.

In shooters a guy with insane aim and reflexes and completly rape another team with noob aim, even if they are genius.

In MMORPG a guy lvl 60 can pwn a lvl 2 no problems, even if he is a genius.

etc

Your logic is extremely flawed. Have a look at Quake Live/Quake 3 games, aim gets you far but you need more than just aim. You need decision making. I can't believe I'm even debating this. Comparing a level 60 to a level 2 is even dumber, seriously dude? I'd like to see any top WoW arena players who doesn't have basic decision making skills. There are none, because if they lacked it they wouldn't be in the top.
If you're going to make an argument, think it through before making it. An RTS game isn't any game that requires strategy or decision making, it's an established genre and describes games like AoE, Starcraft, CnC etc.

By your logic all of the above are simply action games. They revolve around a lot of action after all!

I can give two **** what Wikipedia says... that article was obviously written by somebody who doesn't know what an RTS is. You control one unit for god's sake...

simardbrad

Ok first calm down as you seem mad, bro. Now show me the page where they define what it is from a more credible source. I have something to at least back up the classification, whether I agree with it or not (hint: I don't), where you are just pulling definitions from your behind.

[QUOTE="simardbrad"]

I can give two **** what Wikipedia says... that article was obviously written by somebody who doesn't know what an RTS is. You control one unit for god's sake...

Whiteblade999

Ok first calm down as you seem mad, bro. Now show me the page where they define what it is from a more credible source. I have something to at least back up the classification, whether I agree with it or not (hint: I don't), where you are just pulling definitions from your behind.

Your logic is extremely flawed. Have a look at Quake Live/Quake 3 games, aim gets you far but you need more than just aim. You need decision making. I can't believe I'm even debating this. Comparing a level 60 to a level 2 is even dumber, seriously dude? I'd like to see any top WoW arena players who doesn't have basic decision making skills. There are none, because if they lacked it they wouldn't be in the top.
If you're going to make an argument, think it through before making it. An RTS game isn't any game that requires strategy or decision making, it's an established genre and describes games like AoE, Starcraft, CnC etc.

By your logic all of the above are simply action games. They revolve around a lot of action after all!

Vfanek

You forgot to mention how many games Rafa has won because of his superior decision making. Insane strategical gameplans can win vs pure mechanical skill, and vice versa. Same in Starcraft, you have mechanical players and then you have extremely creative/unpredictable players. A 'strategy game' is an RTS, TBS or RTT. All games require strategy, but these subgenres are what coined the term. There's no debate to be had, to be honest. If you say "I like strategy games like Heroes of Newerth" people are going to look at you funny, don't think of it in too much of a literal sense. Civilization is a strategy game, or turn based strategy game to be more specific. Ditto for Starcraft, but it's a real time strategy game. Top down perspective with base/city/empite building and/or managing an army (not ONE unit) constitutes as a strategy game in the world of PC gaming ;)

Your HTML blablabla, can't be fuzzed to remake paragraphs. Goddamn it GS.

this thread is almost hijacked, well since someone asked i should post what i like and dislike in terms of rts games.

likes:

tournaments

good multiplayer experince

a awesome amount of stratagy and tatics (people could plan out a thousand different ways to defeat another stratagy)

a good single player experince

resource based would be peferred

a good community of dedicated experts

land based battles would be a plus

decent graphics (nothing too ugly)

Fun!

dislikes:

dead multiplayer/no tournaments

boring combat

inbalanced factions

no stratagy

easy to master/no learning curve

and about the comment about star wars battlegrounds, i have the game, but again, no multiplayer

thanks again everyone, more suggestions please.

this thread is almost hijacked, well since someone asked i should post what i like and dislike in terms of rts games.

likes:

tournaments

good multiplayer experince

a awesome amount of stratagy and tatics (people could plan out a thousand different ways to defeat another stratagy)

a good single player experince

resource based would be peferred

a good community of dedicated experts

land based battles would be a plus

decent graphics (nothing too ugly)

Fun!

dislikes:

dead multiplayer/no tournaments

boring combat

inbalanced factions

no stratagy

easy to master/no learning curve

and about the comment about star wars battlegrounds, i have the game, but again, no multiplayer

thanks again everyone, more suggestions please.

masterbreti