What are your "dirty" words or phrase in PC RPG games?

You know, those words when you hear the developers mention about their games or you happen to see or hear in a game-play of that game; once known, they send chills up the spine. The clear signal that you won't enjoy that title.

For me the "dirty" words or phrases when it come to PC RPG games.

1. Enemies Scaling

2. First Person View

3. Accessible

4. Collect this amount

5. Bring me this item

Mind you these are just opinions for fun and giggles, so don't pop a vein.

ugh, enemy level scaling. dont get me started on that. im playing oblivion (i never finished the shivering isles expansion) and i find it better to avoid levelling up. your game is mechanically broken when its in your interest to avoid levelling up.

skyrim did it a bit better but still...blech. *pops vein*. :P.

X amount of time of cinematics and 5billion lines of spoken dialogue: no. bad kitty!

1000s of quests. not a deal breaker but just how fun can they be is there are 1000s of them?

MMO: gone (guild wars being the exception as its the MMO for people who hate MMOs. hell many dont regard it as an MMO which i would take as a compliment).

1st person view ?

There were many great RPGs from the past with a 1st person view. Might & Magic games, Wizardry, D&D Gold Boxes, Dungeon Master/Chaos strikes Back, Realms of Arkania, Ultima Underworlds, System Shocks, Deus Ex..

Don't let the taint of trash like Oblivion ruin 1st person RPGs for you.

Awesome button.

Great idea for a thread. I loose hype for a game everytime I hear these words:

1. Streamlined

2. Cinematic

3. Accesible

4. Visceral

and of couse

But the Awesome button is just..... ehh.... AWESOME !!!

1. Dumbed Down
2. Enemies Scaling
3. Lot of quests with no variety (More =/= Better).

Divinity OS and Witcher 2 had great side quests.

Besides what's already been mentioned:

1) Linearity
2) Instant Random Battles (i.e. FF-style)

and these days...

3) Real-time battle systems. They can work in game types like the Bioware RPGs but they ruined the JRPGs they were in because they reduce the amount of strategy you can use because you can no longer micromanage your team.

-Byshop

Well in my experience most mechanics can be done well, or they can be annoying. Linearity, scaling enemies, cinematic, first-person, random battles, etc.....

Whatever Bioware said about DAI is what I want to watch out for from now on.

More on topic: I do get a bit worried when a franchise I like announces that it will try to be more 'accessible'.....

QTE

Do I need to explain why?

Turn-based

F2P (...the freemium type)

I haven't had much luck in those, so I get skeptical when I hear it. Actually, that isn't limited to PC RPGs.

"story-driven"

freedom > story

Kind of hard to think of those phrases... You know because most rpgs these days aren't even rpgs to begin with.

Cinematic...

1. Wolf Pelt

2. Bear Pelt

When games tend to be geared towards cod. Not a pc game but I played the halo guradians beta been playing halo since it came out in 2001 and I played for 2 matches and thought to my self "man I think I downloaded the call of duty beta"

F2P

Realistically, you can pretty much expect all five of those these days.

And I would argue that none of those five points are negatives!

Strategic Combat = just a complicated way if comparing numbers together with arbitrary limitations...... that plus click click click click click...... yawn...... click click click....

And +26 hours of gameplay = padding.... lots and lots of padding

Also when any RPG developer uses the words Challenging, difficulty, hard etc. 60% of the time it just means increasing the bosses HP and Damage....

You should make thread like this for every genre...

1. MMO

2. Always Online

3. Radiant Quests

4. Level scaling

5. F2p

Linear

@Lulu_Lulu: Someone else will have to do that. I'm only interested in RPG's and RTS's.

@too_handsome:

Breaking my heart. :(

Anime/Asian Style/Weebo/Etc

Emotional

Romance

Story Focused

• Level Scaling, I dont mind upwards level scaling all too much, but downward level scaling is just awful.
• 9999 damage
• RTwP
• Awesome Button
• BioWare
• Bear Asses
• Romance
• Perk (I liked it in GURPS and I didnt mind it in Fallout, but far too often I see this concept be heavily misused)
• Story Driven (good stories are rare, and I only really trust MCA and CD Projekt with this)
• Dialogue Wheel
• Voiced Protagonist
• Fed-ex quest
• Single player mmo
• "Turn based games don't sell"
• Classless system. These always result in either picking between 3 perk trees which ironically enough make you more restricted and less flexible than what a proper class system would have offered, or you end up being able to master everything. There are a few exceptions to this.

And some general, that still concern PC RPGs

• Cover Based Shooting (Mass Effect)
• Freeroaming/Open World
• Cinematic
• 100+ hours
• Choices and Consequences (whenever it is advertised, it is almost always done really poorly)
• Always Online
• F2P
• Streamlined
• Respawning enemies

And while I am at it, here are some kind words and phrases in a PC RPG game

• Full Party Creation
• Multiclassing
• Death Penatlies, like a pemanent loss of 1 constitution/vitality for each death.
• Permadeath
• Bard
• Support Class
• Aging Mechanics
• Traps
• Turn Based Combat

Edit: Concerning MMORPGs (As in negatives)

• Temporary Content (or as it might go by any other name, such as living story)
• Action Combat
• x-10 Skill Limit
• Story driven is especially bad here

How many of these do @FelipeInside disagree with :P

I had to look up "Bear Asses" because I assumed was directly connected to those other 2 items. Damn I miss the Bioware of old.

mutliplaform.

Usually a sure sign of shit.

Describes the quest design of DA:I quite well, doesn't it ;)

Yes, yes it does. How this game has won so many GotY awards truly shows the sad state of gaming journalism.

Usually Rpgs designed with consoles in mind are pretty garbage.

Last year in gaming Journalism

• Gamergate
• Quinnspiracy
• And then DA:I a game that quite frankly did nothing well. Still got so many rewards. Only some developers started realizing eventually that Riding the Bull was not all that fun.

I cannot wait for this Skyrim bubble of Quantity over Quality to blow over. And we can have devs respect the players time again instead of padding the game so they can put +100 hours on the box.