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#1 Posted by 4seal (605 posts) -
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#2 Posted by ferrari2001 (16877 posts) -
how would you make a game take up 50 gig??
#4 Posted by Hewkii (26339 posts) -

don't compress anything at all. Heck, MGS4 is going to be 50gigs. THe guy said its not even enough space.

4seal

I don't really see what's stopping the pirates from just compressing the information.

#5 Posted by ferrari2001 (16877 posts) -
Yea I guess but wats from stopping hard core crackers from compressing it themselves. They have plenty of time on their hands.
#7 Posted by ferrari2001 (16877 posts) -
true.. of course Usenet has frekin several meg download speeds and it could always be posted there. It take the time torrents do now.
#8 Posted by mfsa (3328 posts) -

Well... no.

All that would do is, as is so often the case with anti-piracy measures, punish the people who bought it legally while not overly hindering the people who get it ilegally. I know large hard disks are pretty cheap these days, but who wants to spend 200gb of space on four games?

That's not a reasonable solution.

And while 50GB may seem like a lot to download, it honestly isn't that much. My housemate downloads 4.7GB in about ten minutes. If he really wanted the game, a 50GB download wouldn't be punishing him. Remember that everything is getting bigger and faster, so you can just keep going higher and higher and internet speeds are going to continually increase to compensate anyway.

And then there's the innocent people. Those who bought the game. Would I then have to delete stuff off my hard disk just to fit it in there? Would I have to delete porn? Would I have to delete my porn? Seriously. Games or porn? If I have to make that choice, I may as well just buy a 360.

I think a better solution might be to go the opposite route, have games perform a minimal install and then stream from the disk. It would hurt us for loading times, but we're getting to a point where optical media is so fast that the difference would be negligible - and while it wouldn't cut down on piracy a whole ton (because nothing will), it may help more than bloated filesizes, and most importantly it wouldn't hurt the legitimate consumers, besides them having to stream off a disc. But that's not a big deal in my opinion. I dunno how it would adversely affect mods and stuff, but I imagine there's a way around that.

#9 Posted by JP_Russell (12893 posts) -
50GB is way too much for a game right now. I wouldn't buy it just because it would take up too much space on my hard drive. Forget the people pirating their game, they'd be killing off a lot of legitimate purchases just because of the gargantuan size. Yeah, no way they'd do it.
#11 Posted by Chaos_KnightX (308 posts) -

Of course Blu-ray's going to have an impact on piracy.

First off is the immense size of the file, even if you strip down padding and compress it, the ISO would be about 5-10gb in the least. That's a large chunk of your hard-drive taken up by just an ISO, not to mention a large portion of bandwith. Add in a few hundred dollars for a bluray burner and another ten for each disk (not to mention if someone does manage to make a modchip that could be a few hundred too), and even if a isoloader/ custom firmware is developed, you void your warranty and open up a chance for the ps3 to brick.

Games have gotten so large to the point where it's just not cost effective, not to mention the ethical and legal implications for pirating games on the ps3. besides, awesome games deserve to be bought so that gamers can support the devs, and they can continue development on sequels and new IP's.

#12 Posted by nutcrackr (12530 posts) -
well maybe if they padded the games out or something? But I don't see PC games filling the 50gb up too quickly just yet. By the time it does internet connections will probably be fastera across the board anyway.
#13 Posted by vash47 (2171 posts) -

I really don't know much about torrents. But is usenet like a private thing or somthing? Or can anyone get it and download anything that fast?

4seal

IDK about usenet, but it's about downloading one file that is called a torrent and using a client to open it. Don't know about the speed I don't use it.

#14 Posted by Lonelynight (30041 posts) -
Ehh no, it would only make me very angry since HDDs are expensive here
#15 Posted by blackacidevl (172 posts) -
This would put anyone off even buying games. If they really didnt "compress" a game and left it about 50GB ( who made this up? PC games dont even INSTALL to 20GBs) people who buy games wouldnt buy games at all . And what does it matter how big that MGS game is? its a PS3 game... it has everything on the disk and nothing to install. if PC games get to the point where you need to disk to read like a console, ill stop playing any games.
#16 Posted by Franko_3 (5728 posts) -
50gb game will not stop the pirate. Many of them already have some 10mb connection without any limit to download all day long, because trhey can afford to pay 100$ a month for their internet since they pirate everything for free. While honnest people like me have a stupid 20gb download limit on a 5mb connection. The only way this could work, would be a 100gb download limit every month for everyone.
#17 Posted by sSubZerOo (43155 posts) -
No the industry would be shooting it self in the leg.. Pc games rarely go beyond one dvd.. And Blue ray drives are immensely expensive.
#18 Posted by Tuzolord (1298 posts) -
50gb diskspace? the game wouldnt sell well...
#19 Posted by Mizarus (1379 posts) -
it would also kill digital distribution, isnt that responsable for most of the profit for developers these days? i dont think it would be a smart move. if you wanna stop piracy just be smart and create exclusive content for owning a original copy, steam managed to do that very well, same with blizzard games, theres no point in pirating CSS or WC3
#20 Posted by Cdscottie (1872 posts) -

No, it wouldn't help stop piracy.

Number one, you have to first convert the majority of users of DVD drives to become Blu-Ray users. This won't be happening for a couple of years.

Number two, you have to get developers/publishers to use Blu-Ray technology for their games. Most developers won't be doing this as it ties into their profits due to number one. Also, look at DX10 and it's slow acceptance into the market....developers/publishers take their sweet time.

Number three, technology advances at extremely rapid rates. I remember back about 10 years ago with 128kb/s max and now you have over 10Mb/s. Add in the fact that the majority of countries are planning on improving their network infrastructure to support even faster speeds, then I can't see it being that big of an issue to download 50GB.

Number four, Hard drive space is not as expensive as before. A 1TB drive costs about $400CDN and although it may not be able to hold many blu-ray games, most pirates will not care and just free up space when they are done.

It is a good idea but it won't be happening for a long time.

#21 Posted by Velocitas8 (10748 posts) -

No the industry would be shooting it self in the leg.. Pc games rarely go beyond one dvd.. And Blue ray drives are immensely expensive.sSubZerOo

Exactly.

Not to mention the piracy scene would quickly generate rips and repackaging of such titles to make distribution easier. All the publishing industry would be doing is making PC gaming harder on its legitimate buyers (which, admittedly, wouldn't be anything new) by requiring far more HDD space to install such titles.

#22 Posted by AnotherKill (1341 posts) -

how would you make a game take up 50 gig??ferrari2001

Mebbe once our games are photorealistic and with really long storylines...Otherwise I dont think this would work.

#23 Posted by foxhound_fox (88068 posts) -
PS3 games were cracked and uploaded not more than a month after the systems release. Bluray did nothing to stop piracy.
#24 Posted by Buffalo_Soulja (13151 posts) -
Nowai i haf 2 download moar RAMz.
#25 Posted by Ps2stony (1888 posts) -
How about turning the PC into a console? Mhm!
#26 Posted by dannenissan2 (1890 posts) -

How about turning the PC into a console? Mhm!Ps2stony

Oh no! a console user . I'll try to establish a contact on a language they understand

N0 Sp3akz0rs C0nz0lish S0rry

#27 Posted by ADG_ (1654 posts) -
With the Internet speed increasing all the time (and a lot of people already have a 10Mbit connection), downloading a Blu-Ray disc wouldn't be that hard Also people who pirate games are more likely to have larger hard drives, so disc space is less of an issue for pirates. While for most "normal" people, disc space is an issue, not many would buy a 250GB hard drive just to have enough space for five games Not to mention that not many have a Blu-ray player in their computer, which would hurt sales a lot. It even seems like most Americans doesn't even have a DVD player in their computers, how can you make them shift to Blu-ray?
#28 Posted by teebeenz (4362 posts) -
The answer is no, it will not stop piracy. Nothing will stop piracy.
#29 Posted by wigginender (644 posts) -

The answer is no, it will not stop piracy. Nothing will stop piracy.teebeenz

Correct, the only thing that might reduce piracy would be to drastically reduce the prices of games.

#30 Posted by crapdog (425 posts) -
i thought blue ray is a format only for movies
#31 Posted by Hewkii (26339 posts) -

i thought blue ray is a format only for moviescrapdog

perhaps, but Blu-Ray can be used for anything. like DVD.

#32 Posted by s_emi_xxxxx (1054 posts) -
The main question is that how many people would actually buy a Blu Ray drive to install and play their games on Pc. This will simply Kill pc gaming, Blu ray drive costs too much right now (atleast in my country). Don't know how many people really have it... but this won't stop piracy i think.. People already have super fast internet connection today. in countries like poland or brasil ... 50 GB can be easily downloaded within 1-2-3 days. and Pirates will invent new methods to convert one Blu Ray game to 6 DVD9s. and not many game will occupy that much space. and anyways... torrents aren't the only method people use to download games and other things today.
#33 Posted by Devouring_One (32311 posts) -
well techonolgy goes up. maybe in the the future, new internet connects are made so you could download big games. kinda like when people had 56k back then and games were becoming big on DVDs
#34 Posted by gullytolwyn (362 posts) -
Companies will not release PC games on bluray for 5 years or more, mark my words. Look how long it took PC games to just get onto DVD. 10gb image files are nothing, most people who pirate a lot of stuff have 500gb drives (they are like $100 now) and don't need to burn images to discs, just mount it with daemon tools/alcohol 120%, and you're set.
#35 Posted by s_emi_xxxxx (1054 posts) -

don't need to burn images to discs, just mount it with daemon tools/alcohol 120%, and you're set.gullytolwyn

Lol... True. People hardly waste their time burning images to a dvd.

#36 Posted by death1505921 (5260 posts) -

Pc gamers will be pissed. Everyone would have to fork out alot of money for a Blu-Ray drive. And some people (Those who don't build their own) Would have to buy an entire new computer.

And ofc, most of it would be compressed. Any dummies would be removed ect.

There are crack groups out there such as Razer and a few others who compete against each other for popularity ect, sorta like E-Egos. The one who compressed it the most would get downloaded the most ect.

And ofc, what the hell would that do to your HDD!?

Games are installed on PC. If you've ever seen no-cd cracks they are only 5-10mbs in size. When you install a game it pretty much takes the stuff off the CD and puts it onto your HDD. So you would need to pay a hell of alot of money upgrading all your HDDs aswell.

It just isn't a viable option.

#37 Posted by Skie7 (1030 posts) -

Number one, you have to first convert the majority of users of DVD drives to become Blu-Ray users. This won't be happening for a couple of years.Cdscottie

More than a couple. It's going to take at least 7 years for PC games to start being released on BR-DVD format. Look how long it took PC developers to start using DVD over CD. You've got at least 15 years before games would even get to the point where they're primarily released on BR-DVD.

#38 Posted by mrbojangles25 (31995 posts) -

Hmmm I do believe it would lessen piracy, but the folks would still hack the games and post them up. I think if anyone wanted to they would download the games, but I dont think many would want to.

I also think that pirates would remove non-critical files, i.e. cinematics, which take up a huge portion of many games.

Still, a good suggestion but I dont see bluray becoming common for atleast 5 more years.

#39 Posted by The_PC_Gamer (2910 posts) -

Like others mentioned, it would just need some compression.

And really, by the time releasing games on BluRay becomes relevant, the download speeds in an average household will be fast enough for torrentors not to notice the difference of it being 35gigs vs the current 4-6 gigs

#40 Posted by GodLovesDead (9752 posts) -
Just wanted to point out that just because someone has fast internet doesn't mean they're going to be downloading a 50 gigabyte game at full speed. A game @ around 4gigs would take about 10 hours to download on average on a public torrent with 50+ seeds and 50+ leechers. There are games I've even considered pirating to play with a friend online but never went for it due to their immense size (Medieval TW2 anyone?)
#41 Posted by Adversary16 (1704 posts) -

By the time games reach the size of 50GB, insanely fast internet connections will be available and the "not so fast by that time but very fast now i.e. year 2008" will get ridiculously cheap. So... No, you'll have to think of another way to eradicate piracy; completely remove home internet connection maybe?

Would you dare remove the web to stop the spiders?

#42 Posted by darklord888 (8382 posts) -
Well seeing as I have a program that has the ability to rip HD-DVD's and Blu-ray discs I dount it'll do anything.

By the way I don't use that program for bad stuff it also does lots of other useful things like remove region coding.
#43 Posted by ShotGunBunny (2196 posts) -
Naw, you don't even have to touch your cd player nowadays if you do it "right", so why would you in the coming years?
#44 Posted by The_PC_Gamer (2910 posts) -

A game @ around 4gigs would take about 10 hours to download on average on a public torrent with 50+ seeds and 50+ leechers. GodLovesDead

Um, sory to break it to you, but my friend torrents games at around 1 game per 1 hour. The speeds on torrent networks are really high right now, even with under 100 seeds/leechers

#45 Posted by fourier404 (515 posts) -
Internet connections are just gonna keep getting faster, so increasing the size of the games isn't gonna do squat.
#46 Posted by skrat_01 (33767 posts) -

No.

And why the hell would anyone make it the stanard when nearly no computer users have a blu ray drive.

DVD and DD is here to stay on PC.

#47 Posted by teebeenz (4362 posts) -

No.

And why the hell would anyone make it the stanard when nearly no computer users have a blu ray drive.

DVD and DD is here to stay on PC.

skrat_01
Actualy the big box companies almost all have brought in BD for the top line units and are working them down their line to make them standard.
#48 Posted by skrat_01 (33767 posts) -
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

No.

And why the hell would anyone make it the stanard when nearly no computer users have a blu ray drive.

DVD and DD is here to stay on PC.

teebeenz

Actualy the big box companies almost all have brought in BD for the top line units and are working them down their line to make them standard.

Though its hardly a necessity.

Imagine you want to release your game right now to the public, and you are wondering what format to put it on.

Or even 4 years down the line.

Multiple DVD installation - cheaper to manafacture (cheaper to buy) DVDs, and everyone has a DVD Drive, or a Blu Ray Disk - far less people have, costs more to buy.

Its a no brainer.