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#1 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Should I upgrade my Phenom II X6 1100t for a shiny AMD FX-9590 black edition?

#2 Edited by kitty (114486 posts) -

imo no, too high of a price.

#3 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

I found it for £239.99 which I think is reasonable. Im just trying to decide whether to upgrade my CPU or get another GTX 670 and sli my cards. The prices of the GTX wind force 670 are still just over £300 which i don't really want to pay out for…hmm...

#4 Posted by Klunt_Bumskrint (3542 posts) -

Is your 670 2Gb or 4Gb, and what resolution do you play at?

#5 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Is your 670 2Gb or 4Gb, and what resolution do you play at?

hi, its 2gb and i game at 1080p. I get low frames in some games like gw2.

#6 Edited by Klunt_Bumskrint (3542 posts) -

It all depends on 4 things.

What games you play.

How much you're willing to throw at it

Whether you have any future plans to move up to 1440/1600.

Whether this will be a major upgrade for you or a minor upgrade just to keep you going for a little while longer

Your low frames on GW2 will be your Cpu

#7 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

I just have some spare cash to upgrade around £250. I don't plan to move from 1080p at the moment, thats good enough for me. I just feel The weakest link in my system is the CPU because as far as I'm aware my gtx 670 should be able to handle most games on high/max settings 1080p.

#8 Edited by Klunt_Bumskrint (3542 posts) -

I think if you were to go SLI that Phenom would bottle neck the 670's.

How about selling your 670 and getting a 780, 290 or 280X

You'll end up with a faster card, extra Vram and money to spare.

#9 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Would one of them cards be worth the upgrade whilst still having the phenom CPU?

#10 Edited by lostrib (33290 posts) -

have you tried overclocking your CPU?

#11 Edited by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Im not into overcolocking. haven't got the confidence or the time to test it. just want the easy option.

#12 Posted by Klunt_Bumskrint (3542 posts) -

Would one of them cards be worth the upgrade whilst still having the phenom CPU?

I would of thought so, but as Lostrib said OC your CPU without a doubt.

You'll find a guide somewhere on the net, it's not as daunting as you think unless you're going for every last drop out of it.

I can't really advise on it as I've not had an AMD Cpu since about 2003

#13 Posted by kraken2109 (12978 posts) -

Where are you seeing GTX670 for £300?

I bought my 4GB version for £230 a few months ago.

#14 Edited by PredatorRules (7245 posts) -

I think if you were to go SLI that Phenom would bottle neck the 670's.

How about selling your 670 and getting a 780, 290 or 280X

You'll end up with a faster card, extra Vram and money to spare.

I do agree with selling the 670 and getting some good new GPU that way will save some money for sure and give better performance overall.

But I think he'll end up bottlenecking the system after all in games demanding high end CPU such as Metro Last Light. (there aren't many games like that but it's something)

#15 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Cheers, I will have a look into over clocking this weekend. I will find a guide. Thanks.

Where are you seeing GTX670 for £300?

I bought my 4GB version for £230 a few months ago.

After a few google searches I can only see Gigabyte gtx 670's for around £300. Would be delighted if I could find one for around £200 though, but wouldn't my CPU start "bottlenecking" my graphics if i just upgraded to either a better card or sli, as PredetorRules says?

Cheers for all the replies.

#16 Edited by Klunt_Bumskrint (3542 posts) -

@overhead_drums: Sli will get bottlenecked more than a single card as the Cpu is dealing with a lot more information.

I doubt you'd get much bottleneck with any single card. Just get that Cpu up to 4GHz.

A few months ago I sold my 680's for £430. So I imaging if you sold your 670 now you might get £160

#17 Posted by kraken2109 (12978 posts) -

Cheers, I will have a look into over clocking this weekend. I will find a guide. Thanks.

@kraken2109 said:

Where are you seeing GTX670 for £300?

I bought my 4GB version for £230 a few months ago.

After a few google searches I can only see Gigabyte gtx 670's for around £300. Would be delighted if I could find one for around £200 though, but wouldn't my CPU start "bottlenecking" my graphics if i just upgraded to either a better card or sli, as PredetorRules says?

Cheers for all the replies.

I bought mine as the 760 came out and shops were trying to sell of their remaining 670s. The problem now is they're not really being made anymore so the price will go back up. I doubt you'd find a decent deal on one now.

#18 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

@overhead_drums: Sli will get bottlenecked more than a single card as the Cpu is dealing with a lot more information.

I doubt you'd get much bottleneck with any single card. Just get that Cpu up to 4GHz.

A few months ago I sold my 680's for £430. So I imaging if you sold your 670 now you might get £160

hmm. I might try some overclocking this weekend see how it goes, I do have water-cooling on my CPU so I suppose I really should. How much of a performance upgrade would getting a and fx-9590 give me anyway?

@overhead_drums said:

Cheers, I will have a look into over clocking this weekend. I will find a guide. Thanks.

@kraken2109 said:

Where are you seeing GTX670 for £300?

I bought my 4GB version for £230 a few months ago.

After a few google searches I can only see Gigabyte gtx 670's for around £300. Would be delighted if I could find one for around £200 though, but wouldn't my CPU start "bottlenecking" my graphics if i just upgraded to either a better card or sli, as PredetorRules says?

Cheers for all the replies.

I bought mine as the 760 came out and shops were trying to sell of their remaining 670s. The problem now is they're not really being made anymore so the price will go back up. I doubt you'd find a decent deal on one now.

Yeah, thats what I thought. Apparently with building pc's theres no definitive answer… dammit

Cheers guys

#19 Edited by 04dcarraher (19171 posts) -

@acanofcoke said:

@overhead_drums: Sli will get bottlenecked more than a single card as the Cpu is dealing with a lot more information.

I doubt you'd get much bottleneck with any single card. Just get that Cpu up to 4GHz.

A few months ago I sold my 680's for £430. So I imaging if you sold your 670 now you might get £160

hmm. I might try some overclocking this weekend see how it goes, I do have water-cooling on my CPU so I suppose I really should. How much of a performance upgrade would getting a and fx-9590 give me anyway?

@kraken2109 said:

@overhead_drums said:

Cheers, I will have a look into over clocking this weekend. I will find a guide. Thanks.

@kraken2109 said:

Where are you seeing GTX670 for £300?

I bought my 4GB version for £230 a few months ago.

After a few google searches I can only see Gigabyte gtx 670's for around £300. Would be delighted if I could find one for around £200 though, but wouldn't my CPU start "bottlenecking" my graphics if i just upgraded to either a better card or sli, as PredetorRules says?

Cheers for all the replies.

I bought mine as the 760 came out and shops were trying to sell of their remaining 670s. The problem now is they're not really being made anymore so the price will go back up. I doubt you'd find a decent deal on one now.

Yeah, thats what I thought. Apparently with building pc's theres no definitive answer… dammit

Cheers guys

If you get that phenom 2 x6 to 3.8+ghz there would be no point in getting any of the AMD eight core cpu's right now.

#20 Edited by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Okay, I will get overclocking this weekend and let you guys know how i do. Fingers Crossed for me :-D.

#21 Edited by PredatorRules (7245 posts) -

I'll go with Noctua U12P, C14 or D14, if you're into OC.

Doesn't require water cooling since those air fans have 2-3 degrees more than the best water cooling on the market but as twice as cheap. (C14 and D14)

#22 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Potential Brainwave! If i were to Overclock my Phenom II X6 1100t and get another gigabyte 670 and sli them that could work well, yes? If i got a bit more from my CPU would it bottleneck the GPU's?

Also, would i have to get the exact same model of Gigabyte wind force GTX 670?

Cheers all! x

#23 Posted by kraken2109 (12978 posts) -

Any GTX 670 would do. They would run at the speeds of the slower one. Good luck getting one for a good price though. Maybe look used? It's an enthusiast part so I'd hope most would have been looked after.

#24 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Any GTX 670 would do. They would run at the speeds of the slower one. Good luck getting one for a good price though. Maybe look used? It's an enthusiast part so I'd hope most would have been looked after.

Cheers mate, i'm looking used as they are much cheaper. Would my CPU as it is now bottleneck? Would overclocking be essential?

#25 Edited by Klunt_Bumskrint (3542 posts) -

I think it will still BN.

You wont be getting 99% usage on both cards, thats for sure.

Also upgrading to a 2Gb SLI setup now I think would be a mistake.

My final word is that you realistically have 3 options....

1. Buy a new MB and CPU - Not really in your budget.

2. SLI your 670 - Bottlenecked and stuck at 2Gb until you upgrade. ( might be a problem on some games in the very near future at 1080p )

3. Replace the 670 with 280x/290/780 and OC the balls off your 1100t - <-----------Winning

Good luck Padawan

#26 Edited by Postmortem123 (7623 posts) -

@acanofcoke said:

I think it will still BN.

You wont be getting 99% usage on both cards, thats for sure.

Also upgrading to a 2Gb SLI setup now I think would be a mistake.

My final word is You realistically have sensible options....

1. Buy a new MB and CPU - Not really in your budget.

2. SLI your 670 - Bottlenecked and stuck at 2Gb until you upgrade. ( might be a problem on some games in the very near future at 1080p )

3. Replace the 670 with 280x/290/780 and OC the balls off your 1100t - <-----------Winning

Good luck padawan

Agreed.

290 would be a good choice.

#27 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

@acanofcoke said:

I think it will still BN.

You wont be getting 99% usage on both cards, thats for sure.

Also upgrading to a 2Gb SLI setup now I think would be a mistake.

My final word is You realistically have sensible options....

1. Buy a new MB and CPU - Not really in your budget.

2. SLI your 670 - Bottlenecked and stuck at 2Gb until you upgrade. ( might be a problem on some games in the very near future at 1080p )

3. Replace the 670 with 280x/290/780 and OC the balls off your 1100t - <-----------Winning

Good luck padawan

Agreed.

290 would be a good choice.

Wouldn't SLI'ing two 670's and overclocking my CPU give better performance and save money? If i go for a second hand 670 that is

#28 Edited by X360PS3AMD05 (36298 posts) -

Nope nope nope, it's going to suck if you're a fanboy because only an Intel CPU would make sense. Having a monster card or two of them like that will be pointless and bottlenecked by that CPU

#29 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Nope nope nope, it's going to suck if you're a fanboy because only an Intel CPU would make sense. Having a monster card or two of them like that will be pointless and bottlenecked by that CPU

Judging by your post I assume you yourself like intel. I'm not a "fanboy" of any particular brand, I only asked a simple question to those who were helping on my thread.

#30 Edited by 04dcarraher (19171 posts) -

@Postmortem123 said:

@acanofcoke said:

I think it will still BN.

You wont be getting 99% usage on both cards, thats for sure.

Also upgrading to a 2Gb SLI setup now I think would be a mistake.

My final word is You realistically have sensible options....

1. Buy a new MB and CPU - Not really in your budget.

2. SLI your 670 - Bottlenecked and stuck at 2Gb until you upgrade. ( might be a problem on some games in the very near future at 1080p )

3. Replace the 670 with 280x/290/780 and OC the balls off your 1100t - <-----------Winning

Good luck padawan

Agreed.

290 would be a good choice.

Wouldn't SLI'ing two 670's and overclocking my CPU give better performance and save money? If i go for a second hand 670 that is

With gpu prone games yes , getting SLI 670's would be better then getting a single 290x. And with modern games making use of more then 4 threads that X6 wont be holding back those SLI 670 enough to worry about. And you will see more performance with the SLI then the 290x. A Phenon X6 at 3.6 ghz or better will be on par with stock i5's.

#31 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (3679 posts) -
#32 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -
#33 Posted by Postmortem123 (7623 posts) -

My 2500k @4.5Ghz bottlenecked me in some games with 7970Ghz crossfire, so I imagine you could see some heavy bottlenecking in some things. It would never be unplayable though, of course.

#34 Posted by 04dcarraher (19171 posts) -

My 2500k @4.5Ghz bottlenecked me in some games with 7970Ghz crossfire, so I imagine you could see some heavy bottlenecking in some things. It would never be unplayable though, of course.

Depends on the games and what their calling for cpu usage. also if the games can correctly allocate multi gpu usage. And AMD Crossfire is known to have microstuttering and poor usage on certain games. In general the more cores and usage the game can allocate less the bottleneck will be. His Phenom X6 at 3.8 ghz with modern games like BF4 wont have trouble with the SLI.

#35 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Well guys. I brought myself a 2nd gtx 670 for 155 on eBay. Good price I think, very happy and excited to recieve it! May overclock my CPU a little more. If I can get it to 4.0ghz would it be safe to run 24/7 providing good cooling? X

#36 Posted by Horgen (110016 posts) -

Yeah a good cooling is necessary for it to run safely at 4GHz... However voltage is also important. What is considered a high voltage for that CPU I got no idea about though

#37 Posted by 04dcarraher (19171 posts) -

Well guys. I brought myself a 2nd gtx 670 for 155 on eBay. Good price I think, very happy and excited to recieve it! May overclock my CPU a little more. If I can get it to 4.0ghz would it be safe to run 24/7 providing good cooling? X

cool, as long as your temps are fine 4 ghz stable 24/7 your good.

#38 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Yeah a good cooling is necessary for it to run safely at 4GHz... However voltage is also important. What is considered a high voltage for that CPU I got no idea about though

Sites say that 62c is max for an 1100t. mine is around 45c at 3.8ghz. want to take it higher but concerned slightly about the voltage..

#39 Edited by 04dcarraher (19171 posts) -

@overhead_drums said:

@horgen123 said:

Yeah a good cooling is necessary for it to run safely at 4GHz... However voltage is also important. What is considered a high voltage for that CPU I got no idea about though

Sites say that 62c is max for an 1100t. mine is around 45c at 3.8ghz. want to take it higher but concerned slightly about the voltage..

If you increase it always go by .01, test if not increase again by .01, test and adjust until stable stay below 1.5v, the average ive seen with 1100t's at 4 ghz 1.43-1.45v. Also try to stay below 55C.

#40 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

@overhead_drums said:

@horgen123 said:

Yeah a good cooling is necessary for it to run safely at 4GHz... However voltage is also important. What is considered a high voltage for that CPU I got no idea about though

Sites say that 62c is max for an 1100t. mine is around 45c at 3.8ghz. want to take it higher but concerned slightly about the voltage..

If you increase it always go by .01, test if not increase again by .01, test and adjust until stable stay below 1.5v, the average ive seen with 1100t's at 4 ghz 1.43-1.45v. Also try to stay below 55C.

Cheers. Im gonna give it a good go. I am very happy at 3.8Ghz but 4.0Ghz would make me over the moon!!

#41 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

So I got my new 670 today and set it up in SLI. Played a little GW2 did a fur mark burn in 1080p and a heaven benchmark and I'm very happy with the results.

My cpu @ 3.8Ghz did 20 passes of IBT on Max and went for about 6-7hours of prime95 and seems all good.

Very happy :-D.

How would I check how much potential power I'm using from my GPU's to see if there is any kind of bottleneck?

Cheers all.

#42 Posted by kraken2109 (12978 posts) -

MSI afterburner can read GPU usage

#43 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Cool, and would i do that whilst gaming or running some sort of benchmark? When i ran fur mark my GPU usages were 99% and 96% for the majority of the time. One got about 10c hotter than the other but my original 670 is clocked slightly higher being a slightly different model. I put the heat difference down to that/position in the case.

#44 Posted by overhead_drums (306 posts) -

Also, just going back to over clocking for a second. When i adjust the volts to my CPU in the BIOS it doesn't match up to what I'm seeing on CPU-z. I have the BIOS set to 1.450 in my BIOS, but when i stress my CPU, CPU-Z shows me my volts are around 1.365 or something like that….why?

#45 Edited by 04dcarraher (19171 posts) -

Also, just going back to over clocking for a second. When i adjust the volts to my CPU in the BIOS it doesn't match up to what I'm seeing on CPU-z. I have the BIOS set to 1.450 in my BIOS, but when i stress my CPU, CPU-Z shows me my volts are around 1.365 or something like that….why?

Its using just what it needs you raising the voltage limit allows it to use more upto that amount. My Phenom 2 at 3.8 ghz only uses an average of 1.36 when stressed even though in bios its set at 1.4v.

#46 Posted by kraken2109 (12978 posts) -

There's also vdroop.

Anyway furmark won't be a good bottleneck test because it's designed to max GPU and little else. The only way to check for bottlenecks would be real games.