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#1 Posted by biggest_loser (24056 posts) -

The Official Mega Thread for Thief, developed by Eidos Montreal 

Official Release Date: 2014

Some new media material: 

Q&A Session - Take 5

http://sneakybastards.net/theobserver/thief-hands-on/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125399-Thief-Project-Lead-Says-a-New-Game-Needs-New-Combat

10 Minute Play Through Video From E3 - Gamespot 

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/7h5jx0/thief-e3-2013--stealth-gameplay-demo--stream-

New PC Gamer Preview - May 18th 2013

Thief reboot impeded by office politics, high-level departures

Computer and Video Game Interview

Eidos' pledge! The PC version is extremely important 

Behind-the-scenes at Eidos Montreal

Teaser Trailer

Podcast

Facebook Page 

Replacing Stephen Russell with Romano Orzari (from Assassins Creed 2) as Garrett 

The Younger Hipper Garrett! (New voice actor introduced, includes video)

First Gamespot Preview - Hands-off - 

IGN First Preview

Rock, Paper, Shotgun Preview

Eurogamer Preview

Softpedia Article

Techhive Preview

Computer and Video Games Preview

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#2 Posted by biggest_loser (24056 posts) -

Game Informer details. Someone from System Wars found these points, thanks Nintendo_Ownes7

I've highlighted the bad stuff. 

AI

- Garrett isnt a fighter
- Fighting against four or more guards in combat wont go well
- Guards and other NPCs are aware of the level design, so they know where a person might try to hide
- Guards understand the topography of the level and which areas could be useful for hiding
- Different NPCs will look for Garrett in different ways

Gameplay mechanics

- Navigation beacon shows players where to go
- Dev. team wants players to explore environments as they see fit
- Multiple entrances and exists in each room
- Multiple options available for stealth approach
- Focus mechanic: has many uses, including being able to aid Garretts vision as he navigates through open levels
- Focus lights up the screen and highlights pipes you can climb + candles you can put out to make the room darker
- Can upgrade Focus
- Doing so will give you a bigger radius of things to see
- Fingerpints system: gives you hints on which drawers are best to look in
- Every drawer is accessible
- Can pickpocket
- Use Focus while pickpocketing to slow time and swipe up to three times as many items from others
- Can spend money to upgrade supplies and equipment at the end of each mission
- Various artifacts are scattered throughout the games levels
- Can use these to decorate Garretts hideout
- Garrett is motivated by the thrill of stealing something that others cant take
- Focus will show a number of attack points on enemies
- Can select a point (like the chest) to do a quick push that will buy him more time to dash off into the shadows
- Can also string together a number of points to perform a more debilitating attack
- Team is trying to find a balance between making combat enjoyable and allowing players to enter combat if they want
- Major mechanics are in place

Tools

- Blackjack: use when sneaking up behind guards to knock them unconscious
- Bow: powerful, can be used outside of combat (ex: fire at a bottle in another room to lure a guard away, trigger a switch to lock the guard inside)
- Specialty Arrows: different uses; dry-ice arrow can be used to snuff flames from far away; smoke-starter arrow: cover and a distraction
- Claw: grapple attaches to certain points

General

- Garrett design made by game director Nicolas Cantin
- Garretts scar represents that his past has left long-lasting effects on his life
- Eidos being vague about how faithful the team is remaining to the original Thief lore
- Many of the series magical elements will be toned down
- Eidos-Montreal compares game development to a high-speed train collision between art and technology.
- Team was kept small and stayed within the concept phase of development for a longer period of time.
- The staff experimented with featuring a new character, making it a third-person game involving either tactical gameplay or environmental clambering (like Assassins Creed)
- At one point in development, the game had so many third-to-first-person transitions that the constant camera shifting was making people sick.
- Many experiments during first three years of development

 

Part of the reason why I was cautious about this series entering this generation or the next is because I figured they'd tried to make Thief "hip" and there it is with focus. Focus crutches and an emphasis on combat. 

For those who haven't played Thief, it is a game where everything is stripped back. There are no onscreen hints or gamey mechanics. Its totally immersive so you just reply on the shadows and your map. You're not meant to engage in combat. You're a thief not a murderer as one of the old games says.  

#3 Posted by kozzy1234 (35266 posts) -

Hope it turns out good

#4 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -
i dig his new design, and welcome the addition of climbing, which was a must for me. the info blowout makes it sound like fighting and "offensive stealth" will be viable options, which i don't dig. "fighting against four or more guards in combat won't go well"? does that mean 3 or less is fine? and his ability to slow down time to aim at specific spots in the enemy, like the sherlock holmes from the movies... ugh. overall, seems promising.
#5 Posted by bussinrounds (2190 posts) -

 Navigation beacon shows players where to go

biggest_loser

 **** this world

#6 Posted by Macutchi (4128 posts) -

Game Informer details. Someone from System Wars found these points, thanks Nintendo_Ownes7

[spoiler]

I've highlighted the bad stuff. 

AI

- Garrett isnt a fighter
- Fighting against four or more guards in combat wont go well
- Guards and other NPCs are aware of the level design, so they know where a person might try to hide
- Guards understand the topography of the level and which areas could be useful for hiding
- Different NPCs will look for Garrett in different ways

Gameplay mechanics

- Navigation beacon shows players where to go
- Dev. team wants players to explore environments as they see fit
- Multiple entrances and exists in each room
- Multiple options available for stealth approach
- Focus mechanic: has many uses, including being able to aid Garretts vision as he navigates through open levels
- Focus lights up the screen and highlights pipes you can climb + candles you can put out to make the room darker
- Can upgrade Focus
- Doing so will give you a bigger radius of things to see
- Fingerpints system: gives you hints on which drawers are best to look in
- Every drawer is accessible
- Can pickpocket
- Use Focus while pickpocketing to slow time and swipe up to three times as many items from others
- Can spend money to upgrade supplies and equipment at the end of each mission
- Various artifacts are scattered throughout the games levels
- Can use these to decorate Garretts hideout
- Garrett is motivated by the thrill of stealing something that others cant take
- Focus will show a number of attack points on enemies
- Can select a point (like the chest) to do a quick push that will buy him more time to dash off into the shadows
- Can also string together a number of points to perform a more debilitating attack
- Team is trying to find a balance between making combat enjoyable and allowing players to enter combat if they want
- Major mechanics are in place

Tools

- Blackjack: use when sneaking up behind guards to knock them unconscious
- Bow: powerful, can be used outside of combat (ex: fire at a bottle in another room to lure a guard away, trigger a switch to lock the guard inside)
- Specialty Arrows: different uses; dry-ice arrow can be used to snuff flames from far away; smoke-starter arrow: cover and a distraction
- Claw: grapple attaches to certain points

General

- Garrett design made by game director Nicolas Cantin
- Garretts scar represents that his past has left long-lasting effects on his life
- Eidos being vague about how faithful the team is remaining to the original Thief lore
- Many of the series magical elements will be toned down
- Eidos-Montreal compares game development to a high-speed train collision between art and technology.
- Team was kept small and stayed within the concept phase of development for a longer period of time.
- The staff experimented with featuring a new character, making it a third-person game involving either tactical gameplay or environmental clambering (like Assassins Creed)
- At one point in development, the game had so many third-to-first-person transitions that the constant camera shifting was making people sick.
- Many experiments during first three years of development

 

Part of the reason why I was cautious about this series entering this generation or the next is because I figured they'd tried to make Thief "hip" and there it is with focus. Focus crutches and an emphasis on combat. 

For those who haven't played Thief, it is a game where everything is stripped back. There are no onscreen hints or gamey mechanics. Its totally immersive so you just reply on the shadows and your map. You're not meant to engage in combat. You're a thief not a murderer as one of the old games says.  

 

[/spoiler]

biggest_loser

sounds good from the description and one of the few games i'm really looking forward to. looks like dishonored a bit from the screen shots. hope it doesn't follow the same fate of the splinter cell and hitman games

#7 Posted by biggest_loser (24056 posts) -

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

 Navigation beacon shows players where to go

bussinrounds

 **** this world

I missed that one. Wow. Are they serious?
#8 Posted by Grimlim (837 posts) -

 

- Focus mechanic: has many uses, including being able to aid Garretts vision as he navigates through open levels
- Focus lights up the screen and highlights pipes you can climb + candles you can put out to make the room darker
- Can upgrade Focus
- Doing so will give you a bigger radius of things to see
- Fingerpints system: gives you hints on which drawers are best to look in

- Use Focus while pickpocketing to slow time and swipe up to three times as many items from others

- Can use these to decorate Garretts hideout

- Focus will show a number of attack points on enemies

- Can also string together a number of points to perform a more debilitating attack
- Team is trying to find a balance between making combat enjoyable and allowing players to enter combat if they want

biggest_loser

 

Agreed for the most part, I can see focus being more of an annoying mechanic than a fun-to-use one. I dont see whats wrong with the hide-out, doesn't really affect the game and can be used as a cool rewards system. The combat has me most worried, as I don't want it to be an action game. Deus Ex was really fun until I got the dragontoothsword and could just run through killing everyone.

 

Focus reminds me of VATS from fallout, which i hated. Hope they make it an enjoyable mechanic

#9 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -
[QUOTE="bussinrounds"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

 Navigation beacon shows players where to go

biggest_loser

 **** this world

I missed that one. Wow. Are they serious?

i think they mean the glowy ball thing from one of the screenshots, which, best case scenario, is just a compass, and worst case scenario is a full fledged 3D GPS.
#10 Posted by CBN16 (353 posts) -

I knew you would be the one to post about the new Thief game. I don't blame you. They're awesome. :lol:

I love the new visuals.

#11 Posted by biggest_loser (24056 posts) -

Agreed for the most part, I can see focus being more of an annoying mechanic than a fun-to-use one. I dont see whats wrong with the hide-out, doesn't really affect the game and can be used as a cool rewards system. The combat has me most worried, as I don't want it to be an action game. Deus Ex was really fun until I got the dragontoothsword and could just run through killing everyone.

 

Focus reminds me of VATS from fallout, which i hated. Hope they make it an enjoyable mechanic

Grimlim

Well with the hideout thing, if you've played the other games, Garrett can barely pay his rent. Thats all he steals for so he can pay off his debts. Decorating and making your hideout more elaborate isn't exactly being inconspicuous. Thats something you'd find in Assassin's Creed. 

#12 Posted by Baranga (14217 posts) -

The digital edition of Game Informer is up, you can buy it on Zinio or from their own website.

i think they mean the glowy ball thing from one of the screenshots, which, best case scenario, is just a compass, and worst case scenario is a full fledged 3D GPS.BrunoBRS

That's the medallion he steals in the demo mission.

I don't mind mechanics like focus as long as they're supported by the game's fiction. Garrett has a mechanical eye and magic is present in the world, so as far as I'm concerned they can give him a Google VR display and I won't complain.

However I'll be very disappointed if the fingerprints thing doesn't involve powder and brushes.

Water arrows always bothered me, it's good to see them replaced by dry ice arrows.

#13 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -

The digital edition of Game Informer is up, you can buy it on Zinio or from their own website.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i think they mean the glowy ball thing from one of the screenshots, which, best case scenario, is just a compass, and worst case scenario is a full fledged 3D GPS.Baranga

That's the medallion he steals in the demo mission.

I don't mind mechanics like focus as long as they're supported by the game's fiction. Garrett has a mechanical eye and magic is present in the world, so as far as I'm concerned they can give him a Google VR display and I won't complain.

However I'll be very disappointed if the fingerprints thing doesn't involve powder and brushes.

Water arrows always bothered me, it's good to see them replaced by dry ice arrows.

well i've seen no demo, so when i see a compass-looking glowy thing, i assume it's a magic compass :P
#14 Posted by II-Siamak-II (464 posts) -

So one thing I would like to know as I never played any Thief game before, is this game going to be first person or third person?

#15 Posted by Baranga (14217 posts) -

So one thing I would like to know as I never played any Thief game before, is this game going to be first person or third person?

II-Siamak-II

First. It may have some transitions to third person, the article isn't clear about that.

#16 Posted by BSC14 (3893 posts) -

Cool, I love the thief games....looking forward to it.

#17 Posted by KodiakKoolaid (441 posts) -
is it pure stealth or can we defend ourselves like in Dishonoured?
#18 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -
is it pure stealth or can we defend ourselves like in Dishonoured?KodiakKoolaid
in the other games, you could try your luck against one guard, but it would leave you injured, and any more than that and you risk death.
#19 Posted by biggest_loser (24056 posts) -

That's the medallion he steals in the demo mission.

I don't mind mechanics like focus as long as they're supported by the game's fiction. Garrett has a mechanical eye and magic is present in the world, so as far as I'm concerned they can give him a Google VR display and I won't complain.

However I'll be very disappointed if the fingerprints thing doesn't involve powder and brushes.

Water arrows always bothered me, it's good to see them replaced by dry ice arrows.

Baranga

He does have a mechanical eye and there are magic and gadgets but the series has always been paired back in terms of onscreen mechanics and visual aids. The most drastic has been the loot glint but why do they think they need highlights to show people torches that can be extinguished? 

Inside the fiction or not, it spoils the immersion.  

#20 Posted by Qixote (10727 posts) -
is it pure stealth or can we defend ourselves like in Dishonoured?KodiakKoolaid
If you are good at stealth, you would not need to defend yourself. Sadly, this message got lost in the past 12 years.
#21 Posted by Qixote (10727 posts) -

On a positive note, at least it looks like Garrett has learned how to climb ropes again. 

#22 Posted by Baranga (14217 posts) -

He does have a mechanical eye and there are magic and gadgets but the series has always been paired back in terms of onscreen mechanics and visual aids. The most drastic has been the loot glint but why do they think they need highlights to show people torches that can be extinguished? 

Inside the fiction or not, it spoils the immersion.  

biggest_loser

I may be missing something here but all I see in the focus screenshot in the magazine is that drawers and candles are blue. It looks a lot like Riddick's eyeshine. I guess it just paints all interactive objects blue.

Now here's the weird part: Eidos is still tuning the mechanic, but currently stealing objects in the environment and pickpocketing helps refill this resource.

#23 Posted by PernicioEnigma (5385 posts) -
Screens like quite nice. I don't like the sound of those focus abilities or the beacon telling you where to go. I don't mind if they implement a decent combat system, provided the stealth gameplay is very good and you're not forced into situations where you must fight/kill. I am nervous about this game simply because the industry as a whole is moving away from the sorts of games the original Thief games were, and more towards the non-stop action, instant gratification kind of thing.
#24 Posted by Gooeykat (3360 posts) -
Steampunk, eh? Looks cool, like the comic book style.
#25 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

He does have a mechanical eye and there are magic and gadgets but the series has always been paired back in terms of onscreen mechanics and visual aids. The most drastic has been the loot glint but why do they think they need highlights to show people torches that can be extinguished? 

Inside the fiction or not, it spoils the immersion.  

Baranga

I may be missing something here but all I see in the focus screenshot in the magazine is that drawers and candles are blue. It looks a lot like Riddick's eyeshine. I guess it just paints all interactive objects blue.

Now here's the weird part: Eidos is still tuning the mechanic, but currently stealing objects in the environment and pickpocketing helps refill this resource.

if you use it, you pickpocket up to 3x more stuff, because slow motion or something.
#26 Posted by Morphic (4345 posts) -

Definitly have high hopes that it does well. Thief series is without a doubt one of my all time fav games. First time I played THief 2 i was blown away

#27 Posted by Elann2008 (32991 posts) -
Looks badass..... wow... this goes right up there with The Witcher 3, Bioshock Infinite, Dead State, among the top games that I want badly right now haha.
#28 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

The focus mode is the only thing I don't like so far. Everything else seems awesome

#29 Posted by nutcrackr (12628 posts) -
Hopefully we can Blink our way past guards.
#30 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Hopefully we can Blink our way past guards. nutcrackr

Fvck no :?

#31 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16545 posts) -

[QUOTE="Grimlim"]

Agreed for the most part, I can see focus being more of an annoying mechanic than a fun-to-use one. I dont see whats wrong with the hide-out, doesn't really affect the game and can be used as a cool rewards system. The combat has me most worried, as I don't want it to be an action game. Deus Ex was really fun until I got the dragontoothsword and could just run through killing everyone.

 

Focus reminds me of VATS from fallout, which i hated. Hope they make it an enjoyable mechanic

biggest_loser

Well with the hideout thing, if you've played the other games, Garrett can barely pay his rent. Thats all he steals for so he can pay off his debts. Decorating and making your hideout more elaborate isn't exactly being inconspicuous. Thats something you'd find in Assassin's Creed. 

 

It's not a rehash, I'm expecting changes in the character and world.

#32 Posted by Baranga (14217 posts) -

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

He does have a mechanical eye and there are magic and gadgets but the series has always been paired back in terms of onscreen mechanics and visual aids. The most drastic has been the loot glint but why do they think they need highlights to show people torches that can be extinguished? 

Inside the fiction or not, it spoils the immersion.  

BrunoBRS

I may be missing something here but all I see in the focus screenshot in the magazine is that drawers and candles are blue. It looks a lot like Riddick's eyeshine. I guess it just paints all interactive objects blue.

Now here's the weird part: Eidos is still tuning the mechanic, but currently stealing objects in the environment and pickpocketing helps refill this resource.

if you use it, you pickpocket up to 3x more stuff, because slow motion or something.

It's annoying how vague the article is. I really don't understand some things described here:(

I noticed the Destiny preview is just as crappy - they waste so much space saying that maybe perhaps it could be a possibility that the player appears to aim down the sights... Terrible journalism. It feels like they're vague on purpose so people won't be upset at them or the developer when something is changed. So the preview ends up being sort of useless.

#33 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16545 posts) -

[QUOTE="KodiakKoolaid"]is it pure stealth or can we defend ourselves like in Dishonoured?Qixote
If you are good at stealth, you would not need to defend yourself. Sadly, this message got lost in the past 12 years.

 

Yeah, it's called good game design. No one likes getting caught and just simply losing. 

#34 Posted by nutcrackr (12628 posts) -

[QUOTE="nutcrackr"]Hopefully we can Blink our way past guards. seanmcloughlin

Fvck no :?

Return your sarcasm meter, it's broken
#35 Posted by Qixote (10727 posts) -

[QUOTE="Qixote"][QUOTE="KodiakKoolaid"]is it pure stealth or can we defend ourselves like in Dishonoured?JangoWuzHere

If you are good at stealth, you would not need to defend yourself. Sadly, this message got lost in the past 12 years.

 

Yeah, it's called good game design. No one likes getting caught and just simply losing. 

Speak for yourself. I like a good challenge, and not requiring handholding to get me through.  Fans seemed to dig it with the original.

#36 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="nutcrackr"]Hopefully we can Blink our way past guards. nutcrackr

Fvck no :?

Return your sarcasm meter, it's broken

Even as Sarcasm, Fvck no. Don't even joke about that sh!t yo

#37 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

[QUOTE="Qixote"][QUOTE="KodiakKoolaid"]is it pure stealth or can we defend ourselves like in Dishonoured?JangoWuzHere

If you are good at stealth, you would not need to defend yourself. Sadly, this message got lost in the past 12 years.

 

Yeah, it's called good game design. No one likes getting caught and just simply losing. 

You're a Thief, stealth should be your only means. Maybe distract guards or stun to get away, but never stand and fight a bunch of dudes

#38 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16545 posts) -

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Qixote"] If you are good at stealth, you would not need to defend yourself. Sadly, this message got lost in the past 12 years.Qixote

 

Yeah, it's called good game design. No one likes getting caught and just simply losing. 

Speak for yourself. I like a good challenge, and not requiring handholding to get me through.  Fans seemed to dig it with the original.

 

The original game came out more then 10 years ago. I don't understand how being able to fight your way out of a mistake equals handholding.

#39 Posted by biggest_loser (24056 posts) -

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="Grimlim"]

Agreed for the most part, I can see focus being more of an annoying mechanic than a fun-to-use one. I dont see whats wrong with the hide-out, doesn't really affect the game and can be used as a cool rewards system. The combat has me most worried, as I don't want it to be an action game. Deus Ex was really fun until I got the dragontoothsword and could just run through killing everyone.

 

Focus reminds me of VATS from fallout, which i hated. Hope they make it an enjoyable mechanic

JangoWuzHere

Well with the hideout thing, if you've played the other games, Garrett can barely pay his rent. Thats all he steals for so he can pay off his debts. Decorating and making your hideout more elaborate isn't exactly being inconspicuous. Thats something you'd find in Assassin's Creed. 

 

It's not a rehash, I'm expecting changes in the character and world.

I'm sorry but just because a game holds true to the essence of its series and what differentiates itself from all other games doesn't make it a rehash. Given its been 9 years since the last game and we've had nothing like Thief since the first one, this wouldn't be anywhere near a rehash if it was the same.
#40 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16545 posts) -

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Qixote"] If you are good at stealth, you would not need to defend yourself. Sadly, this message got lost in the past 12 years.seanmcloughlin

 

Yeah, it's called good game design. No one likes getting caught and just simply losing. 

You're a Thief, stealth should be your only means. Maybe distract guards or stun to get away, but never stand and fight a bunch of dudes

 

"Fighting against four or more guards in combat wont go well"


I can accept that, but if I get caught by one or two dudes, I don't wanna just lose...I wanna fight. 

#41 Posted by biggest_loser (24056 posts) -

[QUOTE="Qixote"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

 

Yeah, it's called good game design. No one likes getting caught and just simply losing. 

JangoWuzHere

Speak for yourself. I like a good challenge, and not requiring handholding to get me through.  Fans seemed to dig it with the original.

 

The original game came out more then 10 years ago. I don't understand how being able to fight your way out of a mistake equals handholding.

Because the game is about pure sneaking. It shouldn't give you a leg up in fighting guards by showing you weaknesses or making combat more accessible. That would only encourage people to divert from the stealth if they find it too tough. You're a thief and you're not meant to make noise or be detected. Imagine if they develop a combat system and people just fight their way through levels and can then run through and steal whatever they want. It'd be a disaster.
#42 Posted by nutcrackr (12628 posts) -
In the original thief you could still finish levels when you were detected on Normal difficulty. It was just sometimes harder because things would escalate pretty fast. For example sword combat worked fairly well but you'd need a few strikes against enemies to kill them and you probably attract the attention of nearby guards, some firing arrows. Game should not be over when you are detected, game should not be over when you are spotted. Most important is the fuzzy AI between oblivious and alert. After that you need to be able to escape in the shadows and have AI look for you and then give up. If it comes to combat, or arrows from a distance, You should still be able to win, just make it harder I hope the default state is stealth and only action when things go bad and this can lead to death much easier. Sadly I'm not sure any game can be like that anymore. The best we might get is an even split between stealth and action.
#43 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

 

Yeah, it's called good game design. No one likes getting caught and just simply losing. 

JangoWuzHere

You're a Thief, stealth should be your only means. Maybe distract guards or stun to get away, but never stand and fight a bunch of dudes

 

"Fighting against four or more guards in combat wont go well"


I can accept that, but if I get caught by one or two dudes, I don't wanna just lose...I wanna fight. 

if you get caught by one or two dudes, you should run away. if you can just kill them, why bother hiding in the first place?
#44 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16545 posts) -

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Qixote"]Speak for yourself. I like a good challenge, and not requiring handholding to get me through.  Fans seemed to dig it with the original.

biggest_loser

 

The original game came out more then 10 years ago. I don't understand how being able to fight your way out of a mistake equals handholding.

Because the game is about pure sneaking. It shouldn't give you a leg up in fighting guards by showing you weaknesses or making combat more accessible. That would only encourage people to divert from the stealth if they find it too tough. You're a thief and you're not meant to make noise or be detected. Imagine if they develop a combat system and people just fight their way through levels and can then run through and steal whatever they want. It'd be a disaster.

I don't see the problem of allowing multiple play styles. And everything you just said will probably be in the final game as well. I doubt a big budget game like this will only appeal to people who like pure stealth and little combat action.

#45 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16545 posts) -

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

You're a Thief, stealth should be your only means. Maybe distract guards or stun to get away, but never stand and fight a bunch of dudes

BrunoBRS

 

"Fighting against four or more guards in combat wont go well"


I can accept that, but if I get caught by one or two dudes, I don't wanna just lose...I wanna fight. 

if you get caught by one or two dudes, you should run away. if you can just kill them, why bother hiding in the first place?

If you get caught, then it should make stealth harder. It should also make fighting harder as there will likely be more dudes and they will be more alert. I don't mind being punished for my mistakes, but I don't like getting caught and losing. I rarely like those kinds of stealth games.

#46 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

 

"Fighting against four or more guards in combat wont go well"


I can accept that, but if I get caught by one or two dudes, I don't wanna just lose...I wanna fight. 

JangoWuzHere

if you get caught by one or two dudes, you should run away. if you can just kill them, why bother hiding in the first place?

If you get caught, then it makes stealth harder. It also makes fighting harder as there will likely be more dudes and they will be more alert. I don't mind being punished for my mistakes, but I don't like getting caught and losing. I rarely like those kinds of stealth games.

you don't lose until you die. lose your pursuers and get back to doing your job. you're not some master swordsman that can take down trained, armored guards, at least you shouldn't be.
#47 Posted by biggest_loser (24056 posts) -

I don't see the problem of allowing multiple play styles. And everything you just said will probably be in the final game as well. I doubt a big budget game like this will only appeal to people who like pure stealth and little combat action.

JangoWuzHere

Thats what people don't understand about Thief. 

Its only meant to have one play styIe. Its one of the few pure stealth games ever made.

You're not meant to engage in combat. Some difficulties restrict you from killing people all together. Its called "Thief" for a reason. You steal, thats all. 

All you're meant to do is stick to the shadows and avoid combat. Thats the thrill of the game and why its revolutionary - avoiding danger rather than engaging in it.

Its the thought of being caught that makes it amazing. Its like the difference between a horror movie that shows you a lot of gore all the time or something that restricts the horror for a long period. 

I don't care what the masses like. Call of Duty is at the top of the charts but that doesn't equate to quality.

Here is a chance to make something again thats different from all other games...bar its incredible predecessors.  

#48 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

 

The original game came out more then 10 years ago. I don't understand how being able to fight your way out of a mistake equals handholding.

JangoWuzHere

Because the game is about pure sneaking. It shouldn't give you a leg up in fighting guards by showing you weaknesses or making combat more accessible. That would only encourage people to divert from the stealth if they find it too tough. You're a thief and you're not meant to make noise or be detected. Imagine if they develop a combat system and people just fight their way through levels and can then run through and steal whatever they want. It'd be a disaster.

I don't see the problem of allowing multiple play styles. And everything you just said will probably be in the final game as well. I doubt a big budget game like this will only appeal to people who like pure stealth and little combat action.

Because not having serious risks for getting caught means people won't play the game as stealthily. You will just say "Fvck it" and kill everyon, that's what happened with Dishonored.

Too many games are trying to be "everything" simulators and they never stick to one style of gameplay anymore and it's very frustrating. Thief has always been about pure stealth and I would hate to see it bow down to pressure and make it a "Play it this way or this way or this way" type of game. 

Focus on stealth, do it right and do it well and people will love you for it and buy your game. try to be something you're not and people will do the opposite. That's what killed Dead Space.

#49 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

I don't see the problem of allowing multiple play styles. And everything you just said will probably be in the final game as well. I doubt a big budget game like this will only appeal to people who like pure stealth and little combat action.

biggest_loser

Thats what people don't understand about Thief. 

Its only meant to have one play styIe. Its one of the few pure stealth games ever made.

You're not meant to engage in combat. Some difficulties restrict you from killing people all together. Its called "Thief" for a reason. You steal, thats all. 

All you're meant to do is stick to the shadows and avoid combat. Thats the thrill of the game and why its revolutionary - avoiding danger rather than engaging in it.

Its the thought of being caught that makes it amazing. Its like the difference between a horror movie that shows you a lot of gore all the time or something that restricts the horror for a long period. 

I don't care what the masses like. Call of Duty is at the top of the charts but that doesn't equate to quality.

Here is a chance to make something again thats different from all other games...bar its incredible predecessors.  

Also it's such a fvcking awesome feeling when you sneak in, steal and sneak out without anyone knowing you ever stepped foot inside. It's very thrilling and knowing that getting caught meant almost certain death amped up that exhilaration. 

If you don't understand these points then the game is not for you, simple as. I don't my games ruined just because someone else doesn't like them. 

#50 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16545 posts) -

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

I don't see the problem of allowing multiple play styles. And everything you just said will probably be in the final game as well. I doubt a big budget game like this will only appeal to people who like pure stealth and little combat action.

seanmcloughlin

Thats what people don't understand about Thief. 

Its only meant to have one play styIe. Its one of the few pure stealth games ever made.

You're not meant to engage in combat. Some difficulties restrict you from killing people all together. Its called "Thief" for a reason. You steal, thats all. 

All you're meant to do is stick to the shadows and avoid combat. Thats the thrill of the game and why its revolutionary - avoiding danger rather than engaging in it.

Its the thought of being caught that makes it amazing. Its like the difference between a horror movie that shows you a lot of gore all the time or something that restricts the horror for a long period. 

I don't care what the masses like. Call of Duty is at the top of the charts but that doesn't equate to quality.

Here is a chance to make something again thats different from all other games...bar its incredible predecessors.  

 

If you don't understand these points then the game is not for you, simple as. I don't my games ruined just because someone else doesn't like them. 

 

Its probably not going to happen. Even Deus Ex: HR had to cop out and add mechanics that most hardcore fans despised.