So the new Thief has gone gold...you buying it?

I think it looks great even with the new stuff to make it more friendly for console users. My understanding is that there are different modes that will allow you to play more "hardcore".

Anyway, only 3 weeks away now...can't wait.

I won't be buying it. I'd rather play the old games again. Even if it does have hardcore options that won't stop them from filtering you through scripted action sequences that can't be skipped.

They've ripped out the one aspect that makes this series unique.

If anyone wants a genuine Thief experience you can buy the first game here on Steam

$7 - its a hell of a lot cheaper. The trilogy collection is also a good option under $20.

To each his own I guess. I think you're being incredibly stubborn and will likely miss out on a good experience but it's your call.

And which aspect would that be?

Pure sneaking. Almost all developers today insist on having stealth-action, a hybrid of sneaking and fighting.

Thief is one of the only games to let you avoid the action entirely. You're just a thief, not a fighting machine. Its so rewarding to the tension of the game play and making you feel vulnerable.

Have you played the old games?

They said you can sneak all the way through the game without killing anyone, so just do that.

I'm not stubborn. I'm just sick of seeing developers catering towards their marketing departments instead of making something unique.

Do your research on the development of this game dude and you'll find a whole of talent jumped ship from this thing because they didn't like what they were designing.

I understand but from what I see you have the option to sneak through the game. I never got the impression that you could be a "fighting machine". That said they did clearly make it more appealing towards the people who might not be a fan of nothing but sneaking....as an option. Still I think you're doing yourself a big disservice but like I said, to each his own. I'll play the more hardcore way myself and I'm guessing it will be a great game...hope anyway.

I can see why you think this is a big thing, however as @FelipeInside said; if you can sneak your whole way through, then I would say that they have kept to their roots. And no I have not played the old games.

I'm not trying to be rude here but until you (or anyone) tries the old games you can't really talk about the roots of the series.

You might as well buy Thief: Gold. What have you got to lose right?

Im buying this game when it gets released. The first thief games came out when i was just a kid and played games like crash bandicoot, gran turismo and croc on the ps1. I really dont give a shit about the old thief games, and im glad that this new thief game combine sneaking and action, it will be fun! hopefully it will have a decent story and atmosphere too!

I played them and they were some of my favorite games ever made. The thing is, nothing stays the same....it's a universal law. Just saying you might try it...might be worth the time.

I will likely buy it at some point, whether I get it on release depends on how well it is received by critics and gamers.

Nope, a Thief: Assassin's Creed doesn't interest me at all. I'll stick with the old games...

Their was no way they were gonna be able to sell this game if they didn't put alot of focus on the combat.

Meh, I've already played Dishonored and Dark Messiah.

I don't buy this theory anymore.

Take Splinter Cell Blacklist. A popular series, solid reviews, marketed heavily as being adaptable to various play styles, including both stealth and combat.

No one bought it. It tanked. So suddenly you're going to try do the same thing with a series that's always been about stealth to its fanbase even though it doesn't work with other stealth-action games?

What are you going to do if this new Thief gets great reviews even though it has both playstyles available? Still not going to get it?

I'll wait to read a lot of reviews, and try to find a good twenty minutes of actual gameplay footage on Youtube before deciding. However, I fear they've ripped the soul out of the franchise. I just hope I'm wrong.

I read it has quite a few options to turn shit off and make the difficulty harder. But if the core sucks, that wont matter much.

I really enjoyed Dues Ex: Human Revolution so I'll probably give it a wack.

I'd be amazed if it was that bad. Assassins Creed is such a casualized non game, it's very difficult to actually die. Even in something like Hitman: Absolution (which is Absolutely dumbed down) on harder settings you will die almost instantly.

Take the nostalgia goggles off. You could be a "killing machine" in the previous games. There were several weapons you could purchase that supported lethal play styles. Hell, you could take out multiple guards in Deadly Shadows with gas arrows and bombs. Yes, direct hand to hand combat with multiple enemies was very challenging and wasn't particularly satisfying, but that still seems to be the case with this reboot, based on what I've heard from people who've played it. Perhaps you should play the old games again, before bitching about something that's always been part of the series.

I have it preordered on Steam, and am really excited. Sadly, I have to report to Jury duty the day it releases. I'm really hoping it gets settled out of court so I can go home early and play this seemingly awesome game. It will be the irony of ironies if I end up deliberating on a theft case when I'd rather be at home simulating pilfering of my own.

Yeah, I remember being really lethal in certain play throughs in the original. The best aspect of Thief, and all Looking Glass games is that they gave the player choice and had amazing emergent gameplay. You never felt strong in the original thiefs, though you can still play more like an assassin very successfully than just a thief. That said, I am okay with lethal options. What is more concerning is the lack of a jump button, lack of lean (as far as I remember), and QTEs. Which, in all fairness, as long as QTEs can be avoided, I will still enjoy it (a lot of things in Hitman Absolution I didn't like or agree with, I could completely avoid).

Also I wish Stephen Russel was still voicing Garrett. But in terms of the game, I have no opinion on it until I play it.

thanks to my gpus I'm getting it free :)

Those weapons were an absolute last resort and were designed so that they'd attract a lot of noise.

Yes you had a fire arrow but try using those on the guards and see how effective it would be. Lethal playing was totally discouraged.

You're actually better off just sneaking instead of making contact because of how vulnerable you are.

And you haven't put the game on the higher difficulties where it actually instructs you not to kill anyone: 'you're a Thief not a murderer'.

The only proper way to play the game is to sneak and avoid contact as much as possible.

That's reflected in the main character, the mechanics and the higher difficulty levels.

Why would you be an assassin? You're only there to steal things and you want to make as little noise as possible.

The shadows and the silence are more valuable than any lethal weapons - so if you're relying on them to kill guards and blast through you're not immersing yourself.

I prefer playing non lethally, but who are you to tell people they are playing a video game wrong? I went through the game a second time sneaking around but playing lethally, and I was just as immersed as playing non lethally. Sure, higher difficulties required non lethal approaches, but not everyone plays them at the higher difficulties. You can still be lethal in Thief and be quiet. I don't understand what you are getting at. You have a very binary view of thief. You think you can only play it as a complete ghost, or blast your way through it, when there are many shades in between. You can be lethal, quiet, and stealthy. And some people prefer that over nonlethal, quiet and stealthy. There is no denying you needed to be generally quiet, stealthy and stick to the shadows in thief. Though your belief that you must be non lethal is absurd. Looking Glass Studios always valued emergent gameplay and player choice, so if the player chooses to kill people, as long as it doesn't lower the quality of the stealth, I don't see an issue.

So play the new Thief sneaking and avoiding contact? like you know.... one of the options available?

I'm telling you because I look at how the game is designed and how the mechanics are balanced. You keep talking about this "emergent" thing and choice.

Even on normal, the game does everything to sway you from making that lethal choice (killing, not knocking out). Its a final resort.

Attacking guards with swords, using mines and fire arrows all create noise and guards also run off and call out for help.

You are vastly out numbered. You are the hunted, not the hunter. You only take a few hits before you die. There are few health replenishments. Your sword is purposely clunky and awkward.

Doesn't that tell you something about how they want you to play? Even though they might not out-rightly say: "You attacked! Mission failed"

Read between the lines.

And for all this talk about choices and such, aren't you concerned then that this new game doesn't seem to give you any choice at all about its bombastic set pieces when you're escaping from guards?

The sword is clunky because they failed at making a sword fighting simulator. Read about the development of thief. Arrows and sword attacks from behind, stealthily, does not make noise, just like a blackjack. I do not talk about this 'emergent' thing, Looking Glass Studios, the guys who made Thief 1 and 2, System Shock, and Ultima Underworld keep talking about this 'emergent' thing. What don't you get about, a sneaky sword attack is a kill just like a sneaky blackjack attack is a knock out. Also, knocking someone out is functionally identical to killing someone. They fall, you hide them, and you never have to worry about them anymore.

I am worried about this new thief, but stop changing the subject. I am going to try the game and make my assessment after I play it, like most normal people.

This game seems promising but I'm not buying it. I'll wait for the watch dog. That game is awesome. BTW, this game is already in my GameFly Q list.

This new Thief game going gold doesn't excite me as much as the thought of replaying Thief Gold.

How do you know that game is awesome? It hasn't launched yet.

Probably not. I don't agree with the features they have added.

It's just my opinion. There are game play videos so it's not too early for me to say so. I like original games and Watch Dog has show me a very unique game-play. I've been waiting for a game like this... so yeah it would be awesome

It looks okay so I might give it a try. Never played the original though.

When I played dishonoured, if I got caught I wasn't happy and would reload and try again, despite the fact that combat was ridiculously easy. I wanted to play the game through as stealthily as possible, avoiding combat when it was optional. Done the same with Deus Ex : HR and I'll do the same with Thief.

Getting it for free from an old GPU, looks pretty good I never played the older games so I don't care about people whining for nostalgia's sake. Looks a lot like Dishonored which I don't mind at all.

So you already know Thief isn't a good game because you played it?

Dishonored was heavily influenced by the original Thief, even in terms of the story arch (especially following Daud's story)

Shit, didn't know there was a demo out already...

Just reading the website there. It'll be interesting to see if the Mantle API makes much difference over Nvidia cards.

Still got to laugh at that i7 recommended CPU. :)

It's an Eidos game, so it'll drop down to $20ish in a couple of months.

I might pick it up then, if the overall impressions aren't completely terrible. I'm not expecting great things though, considering how the devs originally seemed to think that a Thief game should contain the words "Headshot! +50XP".

I'm getting pretty excited for it to be honest. I don't think any game will give the first "OMG" feeling from the original but still a good stealth thief game sounds so good right now.

This. Between the old Thief games, the fan missions for it, the Dark Mod (missions for that), Dishonored (the extra content for that), there's no need to settle for a watered down experience that caters to the masses.