Rumour: Intel to stop manufacturing LGA CPUs, killing off enthusiast PCs...

http://games.on.net/2012/11/rumour-intel-to-stop-manufacturing-lga-cpus-killing-off-enthusiast-pcs/

PLEASE let this NOT be true.....

Personally I think it's not true because it would give AMD a big advantage in the market.

I would be shocked if this turned out to be true as reported.

I would be shocked if this turned out to be true as reported.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I would be shocked if this turned out to be true as reported.

FelipeInside

http://games.on.net/2012/11/rumour-intel-to-stop-manufacturing-lga-cpus-killing-off-enthusiast-pcs/

PLEASE let this NOT be true.....

Personally I think it's not true because it would give AMD a big advantage in the market.

FelipeInside

Emmm, Ultrabooks and All-In-One PCs...

How about BGA CPU on a card?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

http://games.on.net/2012/11/rumour-intel-to-stop-manufacturing-lga-cpus-killing-off-enthusiast-pcs/

PLEASE let this NOT be true.....

Personally I think it's not true because it would give AMD a big advantage in the market.

ronvalencia

They are talking about desktop motherboards.

Like I said before though, I say it's BS. They would be giving AMD too much instant marketshare.

A few months ago info about haswell, and future chips....

"It is not a secret that code-named Haswell micro-architecture central processing units (CPUs) have tremendous importance for Intel Corp. What is interesting is that as Haswell processors integrate more features than its predecessors, it will also seriously affect the market of mainboards, which may essentially kill smaller manufacturers of motherboards integrate numerous things, such as power phase control, that previously were enabled by external components.

As a result, in many cases mainboards makers will have less opportunities to differentiate themselves. The situation on the motherboards market will get even worse in 2014, when Intel plans to start promoting Rockwell/Broadwell-based desktop-class system-on-chips with integrated input/output features. Moreover, eventually Intel plans to physically integrate I/O controllers (south bridges) into microprocessors, thus, decreasing importance of advanced design of mainboards.

All-in-all, as more platform functionality migrates from mainboard into CPUs, motherboard makers will have less opportunities to compete and will either have to consolidate their businesses or just quit the market. In fact, the number of more or less-known branded mainboard suppliers have dropped from around 21 in 2007 to approximately 11 in 2012, that trend will only continue in the future."

Basically less options for the customers that build computers.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

http://games.on.net/2012/11/rumour-intel-to-stop-manufacturing-lga-cpus-killing-off-enthusiast-pcs/

PLEASE let this NOT be true.....

Personally I think it's not true because it would give AMD a big advantage in the market.

FelipeInside

They are talking about desktop motherboards.

Like I said before though, I say it's BS. They would be giving AMD too much instant marketshare.

Motherboard manufactures can get around the BGA issue with SoC-on-a-card or APU-on-a-card approach. The motherboard only provides PEG slots and other I/O connectors.

PEG slots can be done away with optical fiber connections.

If Broadwell is a SoC, then there's very little left of the motherboard.

I imagine it's a small card with Intel Broadwell SoC with an exposed "fat" PCI-E connector. This SoC card slots into the baseboard's SoC PCI-E slot. The baseboard provides PCI-E for graphics cards, SATA/RAID ports, USB 2.0/3.0 ports, 5.1/7.1 Audio ports, and 'etc'.

Graphics cards are already near-APU-on-a-card i.e. it already provides Audio via HDMI, memory controllers, pci-express connection, AMD GCN (already with X86-64 IP kitbash) and display ports.

This is not good for us builders as Intel would force us to use their main board set or go with the slower AMD. Slower as of now AMD. Less options means higher prices.

roulettethedog

I'm thinking its an error in translation, I doubt even the big bad Intel would attempt to crush multiple companies who rely on motherboards for profit... It won't end well or won't happen at all. That I know.JohnF111

As has been mentioned a few times elsewhere, this story seems to term a "mainstream" market effect.

Generally, nobody believes that HEDT/Workstations/Servers will be affected due to the nature of those markets and customers and thus will retain LGA if true. I basically see this as a sort of "Garrisson" strategy. At this point Intel is shifting it's attention to where the market is headed. PC sales have been slipping YoY, However the sales of AOI PC's continues to grow. Since AMD has pretty much expressed little desire to compete with Intel on the high end, Intel has no worry there, but has to work on the exploding charge of ARM's expansion.

Do I agree? Still no. But I have my other doubts.

Such as Semi-Accurate, and Charlie's tendancies to overexaggerate every single detail and liken it to an apocalypse.

Again Assuming this is true.

Edit: That, and I think Intel would rather spend it's money on mediation of it's markets rather than the global army of lawyers that they would need to fend off the Anti Trust Zerg.

Edit 2:Going to BGA is a move to cater to the mainstream, and also to force enthusiasts to buy their higher-end chips that will allow upgrades.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]I'm thinking its an error in translation, I doubt even the big bad Intel would attempt to crush multiple companies who rely on motherboards for profit... It won't end well or won't happen at all. That I know.04dcarraher

Why do I feel like the desktop is slipping away from us gamers.... The market is slowly taking things away from us and Im not even sure if I can retain this hobby for many more years to come. It's rediculous really....

This is not good for us builders as Intel would force us to use their main board set or go with the slower AMD. Slower as of now AMD. Less options means higher prices.

roulettethedog

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]I'm thinking its an error in translation, I doubt even the big bad Intel would attempt to crush multiple companies who rely on motherboards for profit... It won't end well or won't happen at all. That I know.JohnF111

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I would be shocked if this turned out to be true as reported.

04dcarraher

LMAO.. so Mostly-Inaccurate has picked up the story with these gems:
1. Apparently Intel already killed the desktop enthusiast market with... Nehalem... so there's nothing left to destroy anymore.
2. So the SOCKET IS DEAD.... except for the fact that Charlie then goes on to say that Skylake will have a socket, BUT NO, REALLY THE SOCKET IS DEAD. So basically, the socket is dead, except for all of these Intel products that still have sockets. Check.
3. Kool-aid TIME: ARM is now the new enthusiast platform! Yup, some guy posted a (probably faked) screenshot of a cell-phone overclocked to 3 GHz and that is proof that enthusiasts only care about ARM now.

So here's the Charlie logic:
1. Intel has sockets.
2. Intel may abandon sockets in the future, except for all of these products where it won't.
3. ARM has never been socketed (at least in any device that consumers buy).
4. Therefore: All enthusiasts will completely abandon x86 and go to ARM because Intel is supposedly completely abandoning the socket (except for a bunch of products where it won't abandon the socket).
5. In conclusion: SOCKETS ARE REQUIRED FOR ENTHUSIASTS EXCEPT FOR ARM WHERE SOCKETS ARE EVIL AND BAD!

This if from a native-Japanese speaker posting on Xbit-labs so take it with a grain of salt (but then again, take everything with a grain of salt):

EDIT: This article is mistranslated.

This article says:

-- Intel will not provide new products for Desktop and non-BGA laptop segments in Broadwell era
-- Instead, they will provide higher clocked Haswell for those segments in 2014
-- Broadwell is "more than tick", and it will include some technologies that were previously planned for Skylake
-- This is because Intel needs to be more competitive in the tablet market, and this may mean the end of Tick-Tock strategy
-- It mentions nothing about Skylake and later or if they will be LGA or not for the desktop.

Source

The above post makes aTONof sense: Haswell continues on the desktop in a rev 2 version in 2014in the standard LGA format we have come to expect, while Broadwell is exclusively targeted at mobile solutionswhere BGA packaging is already well established so nothing really changes. Could there be some all-in-one Broadwell solutions that make it into desktops? Sure, but they wouldn't be any different than the all-in-one solutions using mobile chips that you see now, so once again: nothing changes.

Another piece of the puzzle: Remember how I lampooned Semiaccurate? Well Charlie himself says that Sky Lake is showing up in LGA packaging on the desktop! So it makes sense: On the desktop there is still LGA, don't panic. Intel could simply be skippingdesktopBroadwell, which actually makes a lot of sense considering that Broadwell on the desktop compared to Haswell would be similar to Ivy Bridge vs. Sandy Bridge: not a huge step up. In mobile, however, Broadwell should be worth the effort.

Good news for AMD: Trinity +Trinity 2.0 will still have better IGPs on the desktop.
Bad news for AMD: In mobile, where IGPs really count, Haswell is going to take away the Trinity advantange and Broadwell is going to make life tough for Kaveri.

Since we're at it anyway.

http://techreport.com/news/23951/rumor-intel-to-stop-offering-socketed-desktop-cpus

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] lol, your to naive, intel have their own motherboards, which in their eyes remove all 3rd party options make more money. Intel does not care, why do you think they tried to run AMD into the ground back in 2006/2007....

04dcarraher

No one gonna consider the source? I mean they're called "Semiaccurate." :P

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]I do hope this gives AMD an opportunity to recover. Competition is needed.DeViLzzz

You beat me to saying it. AMD step up now and give us something reasonable to use and we will flock to you. In fact I may just game at lower resolutions and at lower settings and use AMD if Intel screws us. Someone has to send a message to Intel and it will have to be the consumer hurting their bottom line. I am prepared to do this as I have done it with other companies in other situations.

Intel Committed to sockets for the forseeable future

Now can we please stop this fear mongering?

Dear lord, the way some people treat rumors....