Refund for Elder Scrolls Online

Check out this thread at MMORPG.com, dude got a Paypal refund on the grounds the game is buggy as shit and features tons of exploits. There are others on there who got refunds through their credit card/bank.

I jumped on board and just got my $80 back I spent on the Imperial Edition, you have 45 days with Paypal. Just open a claim up and tell them why and within 12 hours you will have your money back, well I did anyway. Zenimax gave Paypal refunding power without having to get it approved through them.

PC Gamer's rejoice, it is a good day when you can get a refund on a broken product. On another note, I cancelled my sub a week ago and never got an exit survey to ask me why I did so and what they can do to improve the game. That is a fail on a all levels. Just got my account sub expired email today with my refund and still nothing.

Why would they need a survey? I think they know the massive problems with their game.

Most MMOs offer a refund if you ask for it before the 30 free days are over.

Game isn't all bad but I'm glad you got your money back.

That's a nice thing.

ITs terrifying to see this becoming a trend. Ive noticed games are starting to launch unfinished and buggy as a roach filled apartment (Im looking at you bf4)

Games have always been released with bugs and unfinished parts, difference is that now more people know about it straight away thanks to the internet, and games are so complex that more bugs are prone to happen.

Another problem is timeline pressure. Games have to be released a lot quicker than before, and that leads to devs using shortcuts or not really testing things out before launch.

I thought the complaint with Elder Scrolls Online was it's a big stinking pile of shit. Is it really that buggy?

It's a bit buggy in some parts but they are fixing most of it.

The complaints are coming from people that expected a Skyrim online, with the same freedom and sandbox, which can never be translated into an MMO.

Personally I don't think it's a pile of shit, it's an ok game for what it is but some design decisiones really left me wondering why.

FYI, I got a full refund on the game. So you were saying...?

*sigh* man, people sure get emotional over whether or not someone likes something.

Why did you do that? You enjoyed the game...

Anyway, I wouldn't take my money back if they tried to give it to me....I love the game.

Well I'm glad to hear it. :) I was part of the crowd that was hoping for multiplayer Skyrim, so I was severely disappointed when I played the beta. For now, I'll stcik with the normal ES, and Guild wars 2.

Want games to be labeled "finished" when they're actually finished? Stop supporting big publishers newb, Early Access is the only way to go ;)

I mean...how many times do you need to get owned by a publisher before you let it sink in? They're the only ones who consistently push unfinished games to retail. We're getting to the point where it's happens more often than it doesn't.

I did, and the game isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, although they need to fix some things asap.

My reason for the refund was mostly personal in regards to playtime. I am realizing more and more each day that, simply put, I just don't have time for MMOs anymore. These days I only get a few hours free for gaming per week, and it's mostly used up by a few quick games of FIFA or Titanfall with friends. Like I said before, I haven't even reached max level on GW2 and that is free, so the $15 x month for ESO was just throwing money away, and I'm building a new house at the moment so I need as much spare money as I can muster. I still prefer to play SP games and with things like Watch Dogs, Assassins Creed and a few other titles coming up, subscribing to an MMO would have been useless for me.

I'm still glad I tried it though and I miss it sometimes when I hear news about it. If it ever goes F2P I might give it another shot, or if suddenly my life becomes less busy.

The KHAndAnime Logic:

- Don't buy a $60 full finished game with bugs that they are fixing constantly since it's a brand new MMO.

- Pay $150 for an Alpha that doesn't have everything, is buggy and where the finished product will be FREE to everyone.

And you wonder why people don't follow your logic?

because all early access games cost 100+. Screw logic!

Keep up with the topic at hand instead of randomly reading stuff and commenting. I'm comparing ESO (which is the main subject here) with ArcheAge (which is the latest thing KH defended). They are both MMOs. If you want to go a step back, KH also defended Everquest Landmark, another MMO builder which had a $120 price tag for alpha testing and which will be FREE as a finished product.

Hey, you want to pay for something free, all the power to you, just don't expect everyone else to be that stupid. But I'm not going to go into early access discussion again, it's clear some people can't see reasoning in front of them.

ESO is infested with bots who camp at dungeons bosses or go into a pathing circle that is ruining the gaming experience for legitimate players. There is worry they will start infecting the main story line so people cant advance through the game. This problem is bigger then the bugs, since might actually kill the game.

but here's the thing..access to the alpha isn't free. If the developers were handing out codes to everyone to get into the alpha access AND charging $150 to get into alpha then you would have a much greater argument because why on earth would a person pay for something if it's being givin out for free? that would be pretty stupid

I understand that lawlessx, I really do, but the FINAL product will be free, so I just don't understand people paying such a large sum (Collectors Edition Pricing) for a buggy alpha. If it was something like free access to alpha with an option to donate to the game then it would be fine, but in today's age people are charging a premium for something that used to be the other way around (devs would pay testers to test their games).

was there ever a time developers/publishers released messages saying "looking for gamers to test our latest game..will be paid"? honest question really..because people bring this up as if developers used to always give gamers alpha/beta access

Yep, back years ago (I'm showing my age here) there were even people working as game testers. There still are now but it's mostly internal staff. Most of the time people would get selected to participate in a beta, or test a game without pay. Some had payment. Either way, it was free for the tester. Now we have developers charging a Collectors Edition Price for an alpha when the final product will be free.

I don't see the appeal of new MMORPGs these days. There are so many existing ones which are quite good. Why gamble $60+ on a game that might not even be worth it? It would have to innovate big time if it is to interest me. Otherwise, there is tons to pick from already.

Glad to see some people are able to at least salvage something out of that terrible game. I was so excited for it and then I got into beta... It was gone within the first hour. ;~;

Cause of course you can judge a full MMO by the first hour in a beta... which is basically the tutorial anyway...

trust me i know very well about game testers(had a dream about being one when i was a kid) but even in those days the chance to actually be one was slim to none.

if the game feels like shit from the first second you start playing.... chances are it is going to feel like shit throughout....

It used to be a job title. Like any job, you had to get work for it. Then it opened up a bit more and they started inviting normal gamers to test their games. Fast forward 20 years and now gamers are paying premium price to test games. How times have changed...

you can't review an MMO after an hour of playing. it makes me wonder what made him interested in the first place if he got bored so quickly

Depends on the game. I've had games start off great and then turn into something really bad and boring. I've also started games thinking they were bad but then with more gametime you start to see the depth and quality.

Either way, you can't judge ESO on a first hour gameplay, since that's just the tutorial.

I have only run into a couple bugs, returned later and they were fixed. Really fun game IMO, there is so much to see and do, I'm sure getting my moneys worth!

Felipe, are you backing up the devs?

FelipeLogic:

- Worship Call of Duty and big budget FPS titles

- Defend big publishers with bleeding heart

- Demonstrate lack of reading capabilities

Not everyone exclusively loves CoD Felipe, most people are bored with it by now. We know you love Activision, but you're not going to die if there isn't another CoD game. Do you have some sort of "milk me" fetish?

Tons of games already do - support until it hurts.

P.S. I'm just ribbing vfibsux. It's absolutely hilarious that he gets ripped off by the business model he spends too much time defending. When he's not busy complaining about getting ripped off by publishers, he's busy complaining FOR people buying into Early Access projects - while the people who actually bought into early access are satisfied and have no grievances. Vfibsux's recourse for getting his money back is telling Paypal that he literally got scammed - good stuff. You're right vfibsux, buying into rushed games is a scam. Only if there was a way to stick it to the publishers who keep scamming you...

Agree, I'm getting my $ worth as well as I'm having a blast.

I expect this game will probably go free to play in about 6 months. It's too bad really but all the negativity will probably end up getting the better of it.

Not necessarily. The negativity I see is mostly from this forum, where most people here will always find something to complain about. In the actual game it's mostly positive attitude, except that people are worried about the bots and bugs. Zenimax though are fixing them around the clock, but some things were reported from the first beta and are still there, and that's where they dropped the ball.

If they fix things quickly and keep pushing out content like they said they have planned, I reckon it will be sub based for 1-2 years.

Naw, it's plain as day that you derailed the thread with your post talking about me. That line of discussion was completely provoked by you. I, on the other hand, was putting forth a relevant point to the OP regarding getting scammed by publishers with my initial post. Nice try though.

Hahahahahahhaha. The guy that defends Early Access by all costs, defended paying $120 for Everquest Landmark which is going to be free is now giving advice on getting scammed by publishers?

Sorry, but you deserve this:

@Falconoffury: Because people are burnt out of their previous mmos and are desperately looking for a new home.

Early Access is a good thing, several Early access games I have played are far more fun than actual finished products, sometimes I have seen some of them being more content rich and polished too.