Panasonic GT50 HDTVTest review.. worse than ST50?

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#1 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6618 posts) -

Well what do you know.. the more expensive GT50 performs worse than the cheaper ST50.. Funny how Panasonics mid range TV is the second best TV on the market (after Panasonics high end VT50)

GT50 colour luminance (closer to black = better)

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ST50:

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GT50: ST50:

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GT50:

Calibrated black level (black screen)0.010 cd/m2[THX Cinema];

0.020 cd/m2[Professional]

Calibrated black level (ANSI checkerboard)

0.013 cd/m2[THX Cinema];

0.025 cd/m2[Professional]

24ms compared to lag-free CRT

ST50:

Calibrated black level (black screen)0.009 cd/m2

Calibrated black level (ANSI checkerboard)0.012 cd/m2

Excellent: 16ms compared to lag-free CRT

Deeper black levels, lag input lag and more accurate colours. But still the GT50 warants a "highly recommended" bage from HDTVtestUK. Even though its disappointing compared to other Panasonics, it is one hell of a TV compared to the rest.

#2 Posted by ryangcnx-2 (1190 posts) -

Definately glad I ended up going with the ST-50. Had it now for a couple of weeks and it's a fantastic TV.

#3 Posted by Heirren (16275 posts) -
Interesting. I wonder how accurate those tests are. What is Panasonic stating about the gt model to justify the price increase?
#4 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6618 posts) -
Interesting. I wonder how accurate those tests are. What is Panasonic stating about the gt model to justify the price increase?Heirren
Tests are very accurate.The numbers don't lie :P the ST50's performance is actually RIGHT up there with the VT50. But HDTVTest did say that the GT50 was lacking in calibration options and hoped that they would get fixed by a firmware update, maybe then they can calibrate the GT50 to more accurate colours/deeper black level... both the ST50 and VT50 have 0.009cd/m² black levels, but the VT50 does colours and bright room performance better I believe.
#5 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6618 posts) -

Wow guys, code blue.. I noticed that there's a huge difference between the 42" GT50 and the 50" GT50 from these tets.


The listed results were from the 42" ST50 vs the 42" GT50.

the 50" GT50 performs much better than the 42" version!

50" GT50:

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26ms input lag compared to CRT

So a warning to those contemplating the 42 inch GT50 vs the 50" GT50.. stay away from the 42" version..

50" VT50 > 50" GT50 > 50" ST50 > 42" ST50 >>> 42" GT50

Calibrated black level (black screen) 0.01 cd/m2

Calibrated black level (ANSI checkerboard) 0.013 cd/m2

Vastly superior colour accuracy and gamma tracking, the black level is still weaker on the 50" GT50 compared to 42" ST50.

#6 Posted by kraken2109 (12970 posts) -

Maybe the 42" the reviewer got was a dud?

#7 Posted by Heirren (16275 posts) -

Maybe the 42" the reviewer got was a dud?

kraken2109
It's very likely. I've seen multiple outcomes on the same set. Point I'm taking from this is that it makes no sense to buy the gt series. I have the st from last year, but my older brother is shopping around for a tv this year--it's really too bad there's no 42in st model in the US this year. It's such a good size.
#8 Posted by l34052 (3110 posts) -

I dont understand why everyone is so into panasonic, i have a d8000 sammy plasma and its easily as good as any panasonic and in some ways its alot better.

People get hung up on black levels but theres more to a tv than that, for instance my d8000 may not go as inky black but its an awful lot brighter in both 2d and especially 3d and with far less dithering and the black level is still very good on it.

Panasonic are over priced imo, for what i paid for my 64" sammy the same money would only buy a 55" panasonic, the nearest equivalent from panasonic would have cost over 2k more and is it 2k better?? no its not, certainly not for slightly darker black levels.

There are some very good tv's out there if your willing to broaden your views.

#9 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6618 posts) -

I dont understand why everyone is so into panasonic, i have a d8000 sammy plasma and its easily as good as any panasonic and in some ways its alot better.

People get hung up on black levels but theres more to a tv than that, for instance my d8000 may not go as inky black but its an awful lot brighter in both 2d and especially 3d and with far less dithering and the black level is still very good on it.

Panasonic are over priced imo, for what i paid for my 64" sammy the same money would only buy a 55" panasonic, the nearest equivalent from panasonic would have cost over 2k more and is it 2k better?? no its not, certainly not for slightly darker black levels.

There are some very good tv's out there if your willing to broaden your views.

l34052
That's last years model, and yes, the Samsung PND8000 was a better value than the Panasonic VT30, although most would give the VT30 the edge in performance. The PND7000 gave almost 100% of the PND8000s image quality for less dollar, either that or the mid range ST30 were the best value TVs of the year. I also nearly fell in love with the D535 or whatever low end, entry level model they had. Saw the 51" plasma next to the 2011 LED flagship 55 or 60" Samsung ESD8000 both playing Avatar and funnily enough, the only difference in my eyes was the motion and size increase of the LED. bottom of the barrel plasma vs top of the line LED! This year, its a completely different story. the VT50 is definitely the best TV of the year, followed closely by the cheaper GT50, and the the ST50 right on its neck. Yes, this time around the ST50 out performs the PNE8000 Samsung flagship plasma. Though not better in every regard, its black level for instance is 4 times deeper! (0.009cd/m² vs 0.04cd/m²). And funnily enough, even the Samsung PNE6500 mid range plasma has deeper blacks than the high end model at 0.02cd/m². Last year I was contemplating 3 options as a new display. A) Pioneer Kuro (used) B) projector C) Samsung PND8000 51" I went with a projector :p. if I were to buy anything this year, it'd be the ST50.
#10 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

I dont understand why everyone is so into panasonic, i have a d8000 sammy plasma and its easily as good as any panasonic and in some ways its alot better.

People get hung up on black levels but theres more to a tv than that, for instance my d8000 may not go as inky black but its an awful lot brighter in both 2d and especially 3d and with far less dithering and the black level is still very good on it.

Panasonic are over priced imo, for what i paid for my 64" sammy the same money would only buy a 55" panasonic, the nearest equivalent from panasonic would have cost over 2k more and is it 2k better?? no its not, certainly not for slightly darker black levels.

There are some very good tv's out there if your willing to broaden your views.

l34052

IDK about all that my friend. I worked in a TV store and we had the D8000. It was a hell of a TV, no doubt. I picked the VT25 because it has a much more natural picture, IMO. The Samsungs have come a long way, and are close.. but the Panasonics still have the edge.

#11 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6618 posts) -

[QUOTE="l34052"]

I dont understand why everyone is so into panasonic, i have a d8000 sammy plasma and its easily as good as any panasonic and in some ways its alot better.

People get hung up on black levels but theres more to a tv than that, for instance my d8000 may not go as inky black but its an awful lot brighter in both 2d and especially 3d and with far less dithering and the black level is still very good on it.

Panasonic are over priced imo, for what i paid for my 64" sammy the same money would only buy a 55" panasonic, the nearest equivalent from panasonic would have cost over 2k more and is it 2k better?? no its not, certainly not for slightly darker black levels.

There are some very good tv's out there if your willing to broaden your views.

hartsickdiscipl

IDK about all that my friend. I worked in a TV store and we had the D8000. It was a hell of a TV, no doubt. I picked the VT25 because it has a much more natural picture, IMO. The Samsungs have come a long way, and are close.. but the Panasonics still have the edge.

The VT20 competes with the C8000 (both 2010 models) while the VT30 is Panasonics answer for Samsung's D8000.
#12 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="l34052"]

I dont understand why everyone is so into panasonic, i have a d8000 sammy plasma and its easily as good as any panasonic and in some ways its alot better.

People get hung up on black levels but theres more to a tv than that, for instance my d8000 may not go as inky black but its an awful lot brighter in both 2d and especially 3d and with far less dithering and the black level is still very good on it.

Panasonic are over priced imo, for what i paid for my 64" sammy the same money would only buy a 55" panasonic, the nearest equivalent from panasonic would have cost over 2k more and is it 2k better?? no its not, certainly not for slightly darker black levels.

There are some very good tv's out there if your willing to broaden your views.

Mozelleple112

IDK about all that my friend. I worked in a TV store and we had the D8000. It was a hell of a TV, no doubt. I picked the VT25 because it has a much more natural picture, IMO. The Samsungs have come a long way, and are close.. but the Panasonics still have the edge.

The VT20 competes with the C8000 (both 2010 models) while the VT30 is Panasonics answer for Samsung's D8000.

Yes, I know. We had 2010 and 2011 models on the floor. I still chose the VT25 over the 2010 and 2011 Samsung options. Plus I got it for $700 bucks:)

#13 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6618 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

IDK about all that my friend. I worked in a TV store and we had the D8000. It was a hell of a TV, no doubt. I picked the VT25 because it has a much more natural picture, IMO. The Samsungs have come a long way, and are close.. but the Panasonics still have the edge.

hartsickdiscipl

The VT20 competes with the C8000 (both 2010 models) while the VT30 is Panasonics answer for Samsung's D8000.

Yes, I know. We had 2010 and 2011 models on the floor. I still chose the VT25 over the 2010 and 2011 Samsung options. Plus I got it for $700 bucks:)

That is a rediculously good deal!
#14 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] The VT20 competes with the C8000 (both 2010 models) while the VT30 is Panasonics answer for Samsung's D8000.Mozelleple112

Yes, I know. We had 2010 and 2011 models on the floor. I still chose the VT25 over the 2010 and 2011 Samsung options. Plus I got it for $700 bucks:)

That is a rediculously good deal!

Yeah, I was very fortunate. It was a store closing sale, so my dad and I loaded up. He got the 58 inch version for $900.

#15 Posted by ovidiuss (1 posts) -
which one from all of the Panasonic 50" would you recommend? http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/VIERA+Flat+Screen+TV/VIERA+Overview/285290/index.html I'm in the process of buying a new TV (not from their website of course 'cause it's expensive even with the discount code). I'm hesitating now after I saw the comparison. I thought newer is better.
#16 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6618 posts) -
[QUOTE="ovidiuss"]which one from all of the Panasonic 50" would you recommend? http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/VIERA+Flat+Screen+TV/VIERA+Overview/285290/index.html I'm in the process of buying a new TV (not from their website of course 'cause it's expensive even with the discount code). I'm hesitating now after I saw the comparison. I thought newer is better.

You can't go wrong with a Panasonic plasma unless its the X series. UT50, ST50, GT50, VT50 are all fantastic TVs. the VT50 is the flagship so if money isn't a problem it is the way to go, but the ST50 offers the best picture vs price point in my opinion.