Mafia 2 VS Gta 4 (Poll)

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#1 Posted by kingeliran (1069 posts) -

ok, both of those games havent come out yet for the PC, so it is a pre duel have fun, flameing is allowed! :twisted:

Mafia 2 :

VS

Gta 4 :

#2 Posted by fatshodan (2886 posts) -

GTA4, no question.

#3 Posted by com2006 (590 posts) -
Mafia blows it out the water graphically no question. I also prefered mafia over the old versions of GTA gameplay wise. We will see if Mafia 2 turns out to be as good as it should do.
#4 Posted by artur79 (4679 posts) -
GTA 4.
#5 Posted by CheeChee_Macko (2236 posts) -
It's GTA we are talking about here...come on.
#6 Posted by chrisrooR (9027 posts) -
GTA IV....Mafia was, and will always be, a clone of GTA.
#7 Posted by name294 (1463 posts) -

Hm..gotta say gta 4

man, so many of those game companies are racist towards the PC!

#8 Posted by LTZH (2704 posts) -
GTA IV....Mafia was, and will always be, a clone of GTA.chrisrooR
They where working on Mafia before GTA 2 (Rockstar) was released, it is in no way a clone, but its own franchise.
#9 Posted by kingeliran (1069 posts) -

i liked both of the games, and i can say that Mafia had Much better Story and depth of the game and character,

i mean first time i played it after i played GTA, it felt like your in a MOVIE! awesome game and it is VERY realistic unlike Gta that is more cartoony you got to admit...

mafia is a heavy movie like game!

and Gta is a brain less pure fun!

#10 Posted by TargetDog (10076 posts) -
Mafia was incredibly boring. Decent but unoriginal story. Clunky gameplay.
#11 Posted by ferret837 (1942 posts) -
Iv played gta4 on the 360, its incredible. But iv never played mafia so...
#12 Posted by Lidve (2415 posts) -

Gta series ftw

#13 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -

Based on my reception to the previous games:

Mafia 2 definitely.

Looks stunning and hopefully there will be greater incentive to explore the city.

#14 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -

GTA IV....Mafia was, and will always be, a clone of GTA.chrisrooR

They are so different.

Thats like trying to say that Call of Duty is a copy of Medal of Honour.

Or that Half-Life 1 is a copy of Doom.

#15 Posted by artur79 (4679 posts) -

Thats like trying to say that Call of Duty is a copy of Medal of Honour.

I wouldn't say that this particular comparison is totally off...

#16 Posted by Litchie (16636 posts) -
Mafia II. GTA 4 is freaking sweet, but I seriously loved the first Mafia, and after seeing Mafia II's trailer, I kind of wet my pants slightly.
#17 Posted by krazyorange (2642 posts) -

story: Mafia 2

Gameplay: GTA4

Winner: GTA4

sorry, I feel ashamed

#18 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -

story: Mafia 2

Gameplay: GTA4

Winner: GTA4

sorry, I feel ashamed

krazyorange

And you're basing this on...?

#19 Posted by krazyorange (2642 posts) -
[QUOTE="krazyorange"]

story: Mafia 2

Gameplay: GTA4

Winner: GTA4

sorry, I feel ashamed

biggest_loser

And you're basing this on...?

What I've seen/heard of both and their predecessors. Mafia had one of the better gangster stories in recent memory, but to be honest, the gameplay was trite. Especially one mission in the latter portions of the game which required you to do a ludicrous bit of sneaking. I hated that part. And GTA4 for gameplay because honestly the videos I've seen look phenomenal and the sheer amount of activities to partake in San Andreas was stunning.

#20 Posted by Kuyt19 (856 posts) -
I've said this before and i'll say it again - GTA series has a bigger fanbase which Mafia won't be beating anytime soon. So it's clear that GTA4 will stand tall against mafia.
#21 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -

I've said this before and i'll say it again - GTA series has a bigger fanbase which Mafia won't be beating anytime soon. So it's clear that GTA4 will stand tall against mafia.Kuyt19

Yes a large fan base must mean its good.

Have you played a game called Halo?

#22 Posted by October_Tide (5396 posts) -
I loved the original mafia, it was a great ga,e. Gtaiv is good but I'm bored of it already (xbox 360) so on the assumption that mafia 2 will be as great as the original, I'll go for mafia 2.
#23 Posted by DanielDust (15402 posts) -
GTA IV definitely. I would rather play GTA 2 than Mafia 2 and even though Mafia2 looks way better than GTA 4 it won't be that different from the core of Mafia maybe a little better with a new graphical engine and a new story but still I wouldn't play Mafia over GTA even if I get paid to play it.
#24 Posted by fireandcloud (5118 posts) -
it's not really a fair fight, since the console versions of gta4 have gotten tremendous reviews. but regardless, gta4 looks sweet, and i'm really looking forward to it.
#25 Posted by opethpwn (583 posts) -
It's clear that Mafia is superior in terms of story and immersion... but the gameplay was pretty clunky and unenjoyable. Mafia 2 will no doubt address the weaknesses of its predecessor, though. So, it's got the story; the immersion; the graphics; and aslong as they sort the gameplay out, I think Mafia 2 will be better than GTA4.
#26 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -

It's clear that Mafia is superior in terms of story and immersion... but the gameplay was pretty clunky and unenjoyable. Mafia 2 will no doubt address the weaknesses of its predecessor, though. So, it's got the story; the immersion; the graphics; and aslong as they sort the gameplay out, I think Mafia 2 will be better than GTA4.opethpwn

What was "clunky"? The combat is still better than San Andreas.

#27 Posted by wood_duck (990 posts) -

I've said this before and i'll say it again - GTA series has a bigger fanbase which Mafia won't be beating anytime soon. So it's clear that GTA4 will stand tall against mafia.Kuyt19

So because it has a bigger fanbase that means its better?

#28 Posted by Kentisc (469 posts) -
Gta 4
#29 Posted by A1B2C3CAL (2332 posts) -
I have to go with GTAIV
#30 Posted by Buffalo_Soulja (13151 posts) -
I may get both at some point but I'm much more interested in Mafia 2. I haven't played either so obviously this is an argument between Mafia and GTAIII/VC/SA. Mafia was just so much more focused and cohesive. In San Andreas there were thousands of things to do, but none of them that interesting imo. Get a girlfriend? Put on weight? Get different outfits? It felt more like The Sims: Ghetto Expansion. Vice City had so many hammy gangster references and sexual innuendo that it became the joke. Not since GTA III have all the elements been executed together in a meaningful way. The main thing I don't like in Mafia however is the inconsistency of the gameplay. Shootouts were engaging, but driving was not. GTAIII just had it the other way around.
#31 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -

I may get both at some point but I'm much more interested in Mafia 2. I haven't played either so obviously this is an argument between Mafia and GTAIII/VC/SA. Mafia was just so much more focused and cohesive. In San Andreas there were thousands of things to do, but none of them that interesting imo.

Buffalo_Soulja

Ahhh its like music to my ears. Couldn't agree more. At least in Mafia you actually know where to go. San Andreas is all over the place. There isn't even a way to tell which are submissions and which are the story ones.

Way too many gimmicks in San Andreas. The RPG stats/elements whatever are just pitiful.

You haven't seen your girl since you met and then your relationship metre increases on a job....

Geez if only all relationships were that easy.

Story is just diabolical at times. If anyone can tell me what the point of the CIA guy was (and I like it) I'll buy GTA: IV when it comes out on PC and play through the whole damn thing. :D

#32 Posted by HummaKavula (850 posts) -

Mafia is a far better game than any of the GTA's. Mafia 2 for sure.

Edit: To flesh out what I just said I'll say that in my opinion the original Mafia was a much more mature, serious and overall better game. GTA is great mindless fun whereas Mafia is far more cohesive and much more meaningful.

#34 Posted by Tresca_ (869 posts) -

I was originally more hyped to play GTA 4, but yesterday I read an article about Mafia 2 in PC Zone and I changed my mind.

Mafia 2 definitely looks like the more innovative of the two. Supposedly, when two AI crash into each other, they get out of their cars and swap insurance details! :shock:

#35 Posted by shalashaska88 (3094 posts) -

I would love to play GTA considering the reviews that it's gotten. It would be glorious if it lands itself on the pc soon.

And I remembered how wonderful Mafia was, (omitting that horrendously difficult racing part) nice music, intense firefights that are part of the game's strength. But I can't simply judge a game when I haven't played both.

Right now, GTA4 looks more enticing.

#36 Posted by Kev_Boy (1527 posts) -
Mafia 2, by a long shot.
#37 Posted by thusaha (14495 posts) -
GTA4
#38 Posted by iwilson1296 (2214 posts) -
gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.
#39 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -

gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.iwilson1296

Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?

#40 Posted by CrazyFox_444 (664 posts) -
GTA4 by faar i cant even understand remotely why people vote mafia over gta.
#41 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -

GTA4 by faar i cant even understand remotely why people vote mafia over gta.CrazyFox_444

Because its a much better and more consistent game.

#42 Posted by Cdscottie (1872 posts) -

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.biggest_loser

Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?

Hey, don't knock the guy. When the developers were making Mafia, they should have realized that the cars of the era felt more like a chore then a pleasure to drive. It is my biggest gripe about Mafia and the reason why I still can't seem to enjoy it even though I own it.

#43 Posted by biggest_loser (24141 posts) -
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.Cdscottie

Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?

Hey, don't knock the guy. When the developers were making Mafia, they should have realized that the cars of the era felt more like a chore then a pleasure to drive. It is my biggest gripe about Mafia and the reason why I still can't seem to enjoy it even though I own it.

I'm not knocking anyone.

The cars are authentic - like what more is there to say? They are not going to change the whole era and story because you don't like the vehicles. They were fine to me.

#44 Posted by fatshodan (2886 posts) -
[QUOTE="Cdscottie"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.biggest_loser

Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?

Hey, don't knock the guy. When the developers were making Mafia, they should have realized that the cars of the era felt more like a chore then a pleasure to drive. It is my biggest gripe about Mafia and the reason why I still can't seem to enjoy it even though I own it.

I'm not knocking anyone.

The cars are authentic - like what more is there to say? They are not going to change the whole era and story because you don't like the vehicles. They were fine to me.

All games sacrifice realism in the name of fun. All games.

The cars were one of my problems with Mafia. Clearly, different people have different tastes, but while I was playing Mafia, I wasn't thinking wow, these cars are authentic! That's so awesome! I was thinking ZZZzzzzzzzz.

There is a happy medium and I think the developers would do well to find it. There are times when absolute realism is a boon (Operation Flashpoint, for example), but I think most of the time, it just hurts a game.

#45 Posted by Gladestone1 (5577 posts) -

Mafia was incredibly boring. Decent but unoriginal story. Clunky gameplay. TargetDog

Your stoned, Mafia had the best plot of any game ive ever played..If you thaught it was boring, and gta rocks..Think again...Mafia had a great setting, better story...Even for the time the graphics where better..Couldnt put mafia down..Ive never finished san andreas..Though mafia 4 is turning out to be really good..At least they improved driving time in the game...Boring ha man what a concept...

#46 Posted by Cdscottie (1872 posts) -
[QUOTE="Cdscottie"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.biggest_loser

Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?

Hey, don't knock the guy. When the developers were making Mafia, they should have realized that the cars of the era felt more like a chore then a pleasure to drive. It is my biggest gripe about Mafia and the reason why I still can't seem to enjoy it even though I own it.

I'm not knocking anyone.

The cars are authentic - like what more is there to say? They are not going to change the whole era and story because you don't like the vehicles. They were fine to me.

When I play an open-area game like Mafia and GTA, I want to be able to play all aspect of the game and enjoy it. GTA had it's issues with the aircraft and Mafia had it's issues with the cars in my opinion. Making something realistic isn't always the best thing to do, as it can also drain the fun out of the experience. And that is what did it for me in Mafia. As for the atmosphere, I can see where some people say it is immersive but I just didn't seem to be able to get into it as much as GTA.

#47 Posted by iwilson1296 (2214 posts) -
authenticity does not equal fun, driving an old hoopty with a max speed of what 30? slowly creeping around corners...its like comparing ww1 air combat with modern jet combat...sort of.
#48 Posted by artur79 (4679 posts) -

The cars were one of my problems with Mafia. Clearly, different people have different tastes, but while I was playing Mafia, I wasn't thinking wow, these cars are authentic! That's so awesome! I was thinking ZZZzzzzzzzz.

We sure do... Anyway, if the cars in Mafia felt like Ferraris in F1, it would ruin the immersion of the game.

I know you said a happy medium, I just like to argue.

#49 Posted by N3xus9 (560 posts) -

Firstly I loved both games, but I have to ask of those that are complaining about vehicle speed in Mafia ... did you actually play the game to the extent where you got the fast good handling cars?

Or did you give up before then, and base your opinions on the limited amount you actually played the game? For me both games were paced differently, Mafia had a great storyline (yes better than GTA 2,3 IMHO) but it took a lot longer than GTA to get to the fun bits, but those fun bits were better scripted and tighter than GTA!

GTA was instantly accessible, whereas Mafia was more about growing into your character.

Still both games were great and ARE great. Can't wait for both Mafia 2 and GTA 4 to make their way to the premium gaming system that is PC!

#50 Posted by fatshodan (2886 posts) -

Firstly I loved both games, but I have to ask of those that are complaining about vehicle speed in Mafia ... did you actually play the game to the extent where you got the fast good handling cars?N3xus9

I admittedly didn't finish it, but I got to roughly the half way point and I felt extremely dissatisfied. Now, call me jaded, but I don't believe in all's well that ends well. If the game doesn't get good until at least after the half way point, then that is, for me, a seriously flawed game.

Mafia had a great storyline (yes better than GTA 2,3 IMHO) but it took a lot longer than GTA to get to the fun bits, but those fun bits were better scripted and tighter than GTA!N3xus9

If, by scripted, you're talking about dialogue - then, uh, what? Mafia has the most ridiculously bad dialogue I've ever experienced in so well respected a game. The developers are Czech-based, the translation is poor. I've unfortunately throw away my notes on the game (so I can't quote you any lines I found especially unrealistic), but there are some laughably poor lines. And by some, I mean a hell of a lot. I still disagree if you're talking about scripted action sequences, but neither game is significantly better (or worse) than the other in this respect.

GTA was instantly accessible, whereas Mafia was more about growing into your character.N3xus9

My problem with Mafia is that I couldn't grow into the character because I couldn't accept that he ever was a character. Games are make-believe enough as it is, I don't want to have to rewrite half the things people say in my mind to make them believable.

Now, I'm the first to admit that none of the GTA games have great stories (it kinda runs contrary to the concept of the game, as many have noted) but the storytelling of GTA is consistently of the highest standard. The dialogue is excellent, witty and most important of all, believable. The cutscenes are well shot and the voice acting is excellent right across the board (except for probably Samuel L Jackson, he's not the best voice actor ever...). They may have relied on satire and parody a little too heavily, but it still felt far more real to me than Mafia's pidgin English.

If Mafia can get a solid English writeup this time and a little better voice acting in the English version, then I don't even care if they still bitterly cling to the overly-realistic gameplay mechanics that make me find Mafia's gameplay so stale. A game built around a story first and foremost needs quality storytelling. I think even the story itself comes second to the storytelling. A bad story can be excellent by being well told (Max Payne might be a good example of this). I can only think of one good story that was poorly told that I didn't dislike (Silent Hill).

Still both games were great and ARE great.N3xus9
I can agree with that. Most of the reasons I dislike Mafia just come down to personal preference. Looking at the game objectively, everything about Mafia (besides the dialogue) is well designed and technically impressive.

They gotta bring in dedicated English writers to rewrite the entire script based on the original version, though. Translations always show.