ok, both of those games havent come out yet for the PC, so it is a pre duel have fun, flameing is allowed! :twisted:
Mafia 2 :
VS
Gta 4 :
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ok, both of those games havent come out yet for the PC, so it is a pre duel have fun, flameing is allowed! :twisted:
Mafia 2 :
VS
Gta 4 :
i liked both of the games, and i can say that Mafia had Much better Story and depth of the game and character,
i mean first time i played it after i played GTA, it felt like your in a MOVIE! awesome game and it is VERY realistic unlike Gta that is more cartoony you got to admit...
mafia is a heavy movie like game!
and Gta is a brain less pure fun!
Based on my reception to the previous games:
Mafia 2 definitely.
Looks stunning and hopefully there will be greater incentive to explore the city.
GTA IV....Mafia was, and will always be, a clone of GTA.chrisrooR
They are so different.
Thats like trying to say that Call of Duty is a copy of Medal of Honour.
Or that Half-Life 1 is a copy of Doom.
story: Mafia 2
Gameplay: GTA4
Winner: GTA4
sorry, I feel ashamed
krazyorange
And you're basing this on...?
[QUOTE="krazyorange"]story: Mafia 2
Gameplay: GTA4
Winner: GTA4
sorry, I feel ashamed
biggest_loser
And you're basing this on...?
What I've seen/heard of both and their predecessors. Mafia had one of the better gangster stories in recent memory, but to be honest, the gameplay was trite. Especially one mission in the latter portions of the game which required you to do a ludicrous bit of sneaking. I hated that part. And GTA4 for gameplay because honestly the videos I've seen look phenomenal and the sheer amount of activities to partake in San Andreas was stunning.
I've said this before and i'll say it again - GTA series has a bigger fanbase which Mafia won't be beating anytime soon. So it's clear that GTA4 will stand tall against mafia.Kuyt19
Yes a large fan base must mean its good.
Have you played a game called Halo?
It's clear that Mafia is superior in terms of story and immersion... but the gameplay was pretty clunky and unenjoyable. Mafia 2 will no doubt address the weaknesses of its predecessor, though. So, it's got the story; the immersion; the graphics; and aslong as they sort the gameplay out, I think Mafia 2 will be better than GTA4.opethpwn
What was "clunky"? The combat is still better than San Andreas.
I may get both at some point but I'm much more interested in Mafia 2. I haven't played either so obviously this is an argument between Mafia and GTAIII/VC/SA. Mafia was just so much more focused and cohesive. In San Andreas there were thousands of things to do, but none of them that interesting imo.
Buffalo_Soulja
Ahhh its like music to my ears. Couldn't agree more. At least in Mafia you actually know where to go. San Andreas is all over the place. There isn't even a way to tell which are submissions and which are the story ones.
Way too many gimmicks in San Andreas. The RPG stats/elements whatever are just pitiful.
You haven't seen your girl since you met and then your relationship metre increases on a job....
Geez if only all relationships were that easy.
Story is just diabolical at times. If anyone can tell me what the point of the CIA guy was (and I like it) I'll buy GTA: IV when it comes out on PC and play through the whole damn thing. :D
Mafia is a far better game than any of the GTA's. Mafia 2 for sure.
Edit: To flesh out what I just said I'll say that in my opinion the original Mafia was a much more mature, serious and overall better game. GTA is great mindless fun whereas Mafia is far more cohesive and much more meaningful.
I was originally more hyped to play GTA 4, but yesterday I read an article about Mafia 2 in PC Zone and I changed my mind.
Mafia 2 definitely looks like the more innovative of the two. Supposedly, when two AI crash into each other, they get out of their cars and swap insurance details! :shock:
I would love to play GTA considering the reviews that it's gotten. It would be glorious if it lands itself on the pc soon.
And I remembered how wonderful Mafia was, (omitting that horrendously difficult racing part) nice music, intense firefights that are part of the game's strength. But I can't simply judge a game when I haven't played both.
Right now, GTA4 looks more enticing.
gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.iwilson1296
Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?
GTA4 by faar i cant even understand remotely why people vote mafia over gta.CrazyFox_444
Because its a much better and more consistent game.
[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.biggest_loser
Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?
Hey, don't knock the guy. When the developers were making Mafia, they should have realized that the cars of the era felt more like a chore then a pleasure to drive. It is my biggest gripe about Mafia and the reason why I still can't seem to enjoy it even though I own it.
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="iwilson1296"]gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.Cdscottie
Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?
Hey, don't knock the guy. When the developers were making Mafia, they should have realized that the cars of the era felt more like a chore then a pleasure to drive. It is my biggest gripe about Mafia and the reason why I still can't seem to enjoy it even though I own it.
I'm not knocking anyone.
The cars are authentic - like what more is there to say? They are not going to change the whole era and story because you don't like the vehicles. They were fine to me.
[QUOTE="Cdscottie"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="iwilson1296"]gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.biggest_loser
Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?
Hey, don't knock the guy. When the developers were making Mafia, they should have realized that the cars of the era felt more like a chore then a pleasure to drive. It is my biggest gripe about Mafia and the reason why I still can't seem to enjoy it even though I own it.
I'm not knocking anyone.
The cars are authentic - like what more is there to say? They are not going to change the whole era and story because you don't like the vehicles. They were fine to me.
All games sacrifice realism in the name of fun. All games.
The cars were one of my problems with Mafia. Clearly, different people have different tastes, but while I was playing Mafia, I wasn't thinking wow, these cars are authentic! That's so awesome! I was thinking ZZZzzzzzzzz.
There is a happy medium and I think the developers would do well to find it. There are times when absolute realism is a boon (Operation Flashpoint, for example), but I think most of the time, it just hurts a game.
Mafia was incredibly boring. Decent but unoriginal story. Clunky gameplay. TargetDog
Your stoned, Mafia had the best plot of any game ive ever played..If you thaught it was boring, and gta rocks..Think again...Mafia had a great setting, better story...Even for the time the graphics where better..Couldnt put mafia down..Ive never finished san andreas..Though mafia 4 is turning out to be really good..At least they improved driving time in the game...Boring ha man what a concept...
[QUOTE="Cdscottie"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="iwilson1296"]gta4 ...the first mafia blew with its old, slow, crappy cars and whatnot, mafia 2 looks the same cept with slightly less old , slightly faster ,slightly less crappy cars.biggest_loser
Ummm, the cars are from the era. What do you expect?
Hey, don't knock the guy. When the developers were making Mafia, they should have realized that the cars of the era felt more like a chore then a pleasure to drive. It is my biggest gripe about Mafia and the reason why I still can't seem to enjoy it even though I own it.
I'm not knocking anyone.
The cars are authentic - like what more is there to say? They are not going to change the whole era and story because you don't like the vehicles. They were fine to me.
When I play an open-area game like Mafia and GTA, I want to be able to play all aspect of the game and enjoy it. GTA had it's issues with the aircraft and Mafia had it's issues with the cars in my opinion. Making something realistic isn't always the best thing to do, as it can also drain the fun out of the experience. And that is what did it for me in Mafia. As for the atmosphere, I can see where some people say it is immersive but I just didn't seem to be able to get into it as much as GTA.
The cars were one of my problems with Mafia. Clearly, different people have different tastes, but while I was playing Mafia, I wasn't thinking wow, these cars are authentic! That's so awesome! I was thinking ZZZzzzzzzzz.
We sure do... Anyway, if the cars in Mafia felt like Ferraris in F1, it would ruin the immersion of the game.
I know you said a happy medium, I just like to argue.
Firstly I loved both games, but I have to ask of those that are complaining about vehicle speed in Mafia ... did you actually play the game to the extent where you got the fast good handling cars?
Or did you give up before then, and base your opinions on the limited amount you actually played the game? For me both games were paced differently, Mafia had a great storyline (yes better than GTA 2,3 IMHO) but it took a lot longer than GTA to get to the fun bits, but those fun bits were better scripted and tighter than GTA!
GTA was instantly accessible, whereas Mafia was more about growing into your character.
Still both games were great and ARE great. Can't wait for both Mafia 2 and GTA 4 to make their way to the premium gaming system that is PC!
Firstly I loved both games, but I have to ask of those that are complaining about vehicle speed in Mafia ... did you actually play the game to the extent where you got the fast good handling cars?N3xus9
I admittedly didn't finish it, but I got to roughly the half way point and I felt extremely dissatisfied. Now, call me jaded, but I don't believe in all's well that ends well. If the game doesn't get good until at least after the half way point, then that is, for me, a seriously flawed game.
Mafia had a great storyline (yes better than GTA 2,3 IMHO) but it took a lot longer than GTA to get to the fun bits, but those fun bits were better scripted and tighter than GTA!N3xus9
If, by scripted, you're talking about dialogue - then, uh, what? Mafia has the most ridiculously bad dialogue I've ever experienced in so well respected a game. The developers are Czech-based, the translation is poor. I've unfortunately throw away my notes on the game (so I can't quote you any lines I found especially unrealistic), but there are some laughably poor lines. And by some, I mean a hell of a lot. I still disagree if you're talking about scripted action sequences, but neither game is significantly better (or worse) than the other in this respect.
GTA was instantly accessible, whereas Mafia was more about growing into your character.N3xus9
My problem with Mafia is that I couldn't grow into the character because I couldn't accept that he ever was a character. Games are make-believe enough as it is, I don't want to have to rewrite half the things people say in my mind to make them believable.
Now, I'm the first to admit that none of the GTA games have great stories (it kinda runs contrary to the concept of the game, as many have noted) but the storytelling of GTA is consistently of the highest standard. The dialogue is excellent, witty and most important of all, believable. The cutscenes are well shot and the voice acting is excellent right across the board (except for probably Samuel L Jackson, he's not the best voice actor ever...). They may have relied on satire and parody a little too heavily, but it still felt far more real to me than Mafia's pidgin English.
If Mafia can get a solid English writeup this time and a little better voice acting in the English version, then I don't even care if they still bitterly cling to the overly-realistic gameplay mechanics that make me find Mafia's gameplay so stale. A game built around a story first and foremost needs quality storytelling. I think even the story itself comes second to the storytelling. A bad story can be excellent by being well told (Max Payne might be a good example of this). I can only think of one good story that was poorly told that I didn't dislike (Silent Hill).
Still both games were great and ARE great.N3xus9I can agree with that. Most of the reasons I dislike Mafia just come down to personal preference. Looking at the game objectively, everything about Mafia (besides the dialogue) is well designed and technically impressive.
They gotta bring in dedicated English writers to rewrite the entire script based on the original version, though. Translations always show.
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