LED or Plasma for next gen gaming?

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#1 Posted by agallo (844 posts) -

I'm looking to get a new TV for my gaming room before the next gen systems come out. I'm reading a lot of places that Plasma is great for gaming, but im open to any suggestions of bands and specs of tvs. I'm looking to spend under $1,000 and also keep the size of he TV between 45-50 inches.  My main TV is a 55 inch LED which is good for gaming, but IMO to big to stare at for hours.

 

Thanks,

#2 Posted by Barujin (308 posts) -

Plasmas eventually lose their color and brightness. The very dim TVs in stores are usually plasmas.

#3 Posted by kraken2109 (13211 posts) -

Plasmas have better contrast and deeper blacks but are generally less bright so may not be ideal in a bright room.

#4 Posted by agallo (844 posts) -

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

#5 Posted by kraken2109 (13211 posts) -

Just remember that most specs you read will essentially be made up. Interpolation only adds input lag so is useless for gaming.

#6 Posted by m3Boarder32 (9176 posts) -

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

agallo
Don't worry about Hz if u go with Plasma. A 60hz Plasma has hold times that are twice as fast as a true120hz monitor. That's what cancels out motion blur, and makes movement look more fluid
#7 Posted by m3Boarder32 (9176 posts) -

Plasmas have better contrast and deeper blacks but are generally less bright so may not be ideal in a bright room.

kraken2109
The newest Samsung Plasmas can get very bright, not LED bright but twice as bright as other Plasmas, and they have great filters for reflections too
#8 Posted by Barujin (308 posts) -

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

agallo

Currently, both Hz and Contrast Ratio are total lies from TV companies. There is no such technology as 240Hz. Most TVs are much lower than they state. The only ways to know that one is truely 120Hz is to either get a 3D TV (since 120Hz is necessary for them to work) or to attach a computer to its HDMI port and see if the Windows setting will go as high as 120Hz. As for Contrast Ratio, most of them are 1,000:1. Don't believe anything else.

EDIT: Okay, so my number for contrast ratio at the end was wrong. Go tell the local police about it. What's important is that manufacturers lie about it with horribly exaggerated numbers so that it's impossible to tell what the real contrast ratio is without reading some very good reviews.

#9 Posted by m3Boarder32 (9176 posts) -

[QUOTE="agallo"]

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

Barujin

Currently, both Hz and Contrast Ratio are total lies from TV companies. There is no such technology as 240Hz. Most TVs are much lower than they state. The only ways to know that one is truely 120Hz is to either get a 3D TV (since 120Hz is necessary for them to work) or to attach a computer to its HDMI port and see if the Windows setting will go as high as 120Hz. As for Contrast Ratio, most of them are 1,000:1. Don't believe anything else.

Lol your last 2 sentences are false
#10 Posted by Barujin (308 posts) -

[QUOTE="Barujin"]

[QUOTE="agallo"]

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

m3Boarder32

Currently, both Hz and Contrast Ratio are total lies from TV companies. There is no such technology as 240Hz. Most TVs are much lower than they state. The only ways to know that one is truely 120Hz is to either get a 3D TV (since 120Hz is necessary for them to work) or to attach a computer to its HDMI port and see if the Windows setting will go as high as 120Hz. As for Contrast Ratio, most of them are 1,000:1. Don't believe anything else.

Lol your last 2 sentences are false

I did say, "most."

#11 Posted by agallo (844 posts) -

Any suggestions on Tvs under $1000? If you can toss some links in I want to see if I'm coming up with the same. 

#12 Posted by m3Boarder32 (9176 posts) -

Any suggestions on Tvs under $1000? If you can toss some links in I want to see if I'm coming up with the same. 

agallo
How far ur eyes gonna be from it?
#14 Posted by agallo (844 posts) -

[QUOTE="agallo"]

Any suggestions on Tvs under $1000? If you can toss some links in I want to see if I'm coming up with the same. 

m3Boarder32

How far ur eyes gonna be from it?

 

The room I game in is basically a small den 10 feet maybe

#15 Posted by m3Boarder32 (9176 posts) -

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="agallo"]

Any suggestions on Tvs under $1000? If you can toss some links in I want to see if I'm coming up with the same. 

agallo

How far ur eyes gonna be from it?

 

The room I game in is basically a small den 10 feet maybe

Ideally you'd want a 65" for that distance..
#16 Posted by agallo (844 posts) -

[QUOTE="agallo"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] How far ur eyes gonna be from it? m3Boarder32

 

The room I game in is basically a small den 10 feet maybe

Ideally you'd want a 65" for that distance..

 

Whats your thoughts on gaming on large TV's. I was reading 40-50 inch is ideal

#17 Posted by m3Boarder32 (9176 posts) -

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="agallo"]

 

The room I game in is basically a small den 10 feet maybe

agallo

Ideally you'd want a 65" for that distance..

 

Whats your thoughts on gaming on large TV's. I was reading 40-50 inch is ideal

Only matters I in competitive online matches. For just having fun it don't matter.
#18 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6701 posts) -

[QUOTE="agallo"]

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

Barujin

Currently, both Hz and Contrast Ratio are total lies from TV companies. There is no such technology as 240Hz. Most TVs are much lower than they state. The only ways to know that one is truely 120Hz is to either get a 3D TV (since 120Hz is necessary for them to work) or to attach a computer to its HDMI port and see if the Windows setting will go as high as 120Hz. As for Contrast Ratio, most of them are 1,000:1. Don't believe anything else.

"most of them are 1,000:1" Uh, maybe most LED TVs are around 1000:1, but plasma TVs haven't been as low as 1000:1 since 2005. The Pioneer Kuro KRP 500 from 2008 revolutionized HDTV picture quality with a 37 000 : 1 contrast on a full white and full black screen (22,000:1 ANSI, which is 4x4 black and white checkerboard pattern to simulate real world content) while for example last year's budget Panasonic ST50 has around 9000:1 contrast ratio. Today's top of the line plasmas (Panasonic ZT60 & VT60) are capable of producing a contrast as high nearly 100,000:1 (full white / full black) and 25,000 ANSI contrast.
#19 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6701 posts) -

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="agallo"]

 

The room I game in is basically a small den 10 feet maybe

agallo

Ideally you'd want a 65" for that distance..

 

Whats your thoughts on gaming on large TV's. I was reading 40-50 inch is ideal

40-50 inch is by no means ideal.. The bigger the better. I certainly enjoy gaming on my 100" screen and only wish I had a bigger room and better projector to light up a 120", 150" or even 200"+ screen :shock: :shock: !
#20 Posted by _SKatEDiRt_ (2621 posts) -

[QUOTE="agallo"]

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

m3Boarder32

Don't worry about Hz if u go with Plasma. A 60hz Plasma has hold times that are twice as fast as a true120hz monitor. That's what cancels out motion blur, and makes movement look more fluid

Yes it looks smother but nothing better than TRUE 120hz via dual-link dvi

#21 Posted by superclocked (5863 posts) -

Plasmas eventually lose their color and brightness. The very dim TVs in stores are usually plasmas.

Barujin
Yeah, the pixels are essentially little gas powered light bulbs. The gas burns up as time goes on, and the picture gets dimmer and dimmer. Plus, they use a lot more electricity, and they tend to run very hot...
#22 Posted by agallo (844 posts) -

[QUOTE="agallo"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Ideally you'd want a 65" for that distance..Mozelleple112

 

Whats your thoughts on gaming on large TV's. I was reading 40-50 inch is ideal

40-50 inch is by no means ideal.. The bigger the better. I certainly enjoy gaming on my 100" screen and only wish I had a bigger room and better projector to light up a 120", 150" or even 200"+ screen :shock: :shock: !

 

Any suggestions on plasma between 45-50 inches for my den? I'm still open to LED tvs also just looking for something with a good picture quality

#23 Posted by agallo (844 posts) -

Suggestions?

 

Found this Plasma 

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50S60-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/product-reviews/B00ARAHBIW/ref=sr_1_3_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50ST60-50-Inch-Plasma-Glasses/dp/B00AVRJK3K/ref=sr_1_3?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1380205345&sr=1-3&keywords=st60

or this in LED 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/50%22+Class+(49-1/2%22+Diag.)+-+LED+-+1080p+-+120Hz+-+Smart+-+3D+-+HDTV/8064062.p?id=1218863885647&skuId=8064062&st=samsugn%20f6400&cp=1&lp=4&AID=10597222&PID=5720506&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2F50%2522%2BClass%2B%2849-1%2F2%2522%2BDiag.%29%2B-%2BLED%2B-%2B1080p%2B-%2B120Hz%2B-%2BSmart%2B-%2B3D%2B-%2BHDTV%2F8064062.p%3Fid%3D1218863885647%26skuId%3D8064062%26st%3Dsamsugn%2520f6400%26cp%3D1%26lp%3D4&ref=39&loc=01&CJPID=5720506

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46ES6500-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B007B9PM4W/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380205986&sr=1-3&keywords=Samsung+UE46F6400+LED+TV

 

#24 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6701 posts) -

Suggestions?

 

Found this Plasma 

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50S60-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/product-reviews/B00ARAHBIW/ref=sr_1_3_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50ST60-50-Inch-Plasma-Glasses/dp/B00AVRJK3K/ref=sr_1_3?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1380205345&sr=1-3&keywords=st60

or this in LED 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/50%22+Class+(49-1/2%22+Diag.)+-+LED+-+1080p+-+120Hz+-+Smart+-+3D+-+HDTV/8064062.p?id=1218863885647&skuId=8064062&st=samsugn%20f6400&cp=1&lp=4&AID=10597222&PID=5720506&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2F50%2522%2BClass%2B%2849-1%2F2%2522%2BDiag.%29%2B-%2BLED%2B-%2B1080p%2B-%2B120Hz%2B-%2BSmart%2B-%2B3D%2B-%2BHDTV%2F8064062.p%3Fid%3D1218863885647%26skuId%3D8064062%26st%3Dsamsugn%2520f6400%26cp%3D1%26lp%3D4&ref=39&loc=01&CJPID=5720506

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46ES6500-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B007B9PM4W/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380205986&sr=1-3&keywords=Samsung+UE46F6400+LED+TV

 

agallo
The Panasonic ST60 has superior picture quality. I would go for that.
#25 Posted by agallo (844 posts) -

[QUOTE="agallo"]

Suggestions?

 

Found this Plasma 

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50S60-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/product-reviews/B00ARAHBIW/ref=sr_1_3_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50ST60-50-Inch-Plasma-Glasses/dp/B00AVRJK3K/ref=sr_1_3?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1380205345&sr=1-3&keywords=st60

or this in LED 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/50%22+Class+(49-1/2%22+Diag.)+-+LED+-+1080p+-+120Hz+-+Smart+-+3D+-+HDTV/8064062.p?id=1218863885647&skuId=8064062&st=samsugn%20f6400&cp=1&lp=4&AID=10597222&PID=5720506&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2F50%2522%2BClass%2B%2849-1%2F2%2522%2BDiag.%29%2B-%2BLED%2B-%2B1080p%2B-%2B120Hz%2B-%2BSmart%2B-%2B3D%2B-%2BHDTV%2F8064062.p%3Fid%3D1218863885647%26skuId%3D8064062%26st%3Dsamsugn%2520f6400%26cp%3D1%26lp%3D4&ref=39&loc=01&CJPID=5720506

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46ES6500-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B007B9PM4W/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380205986&sr=1-3&keywords=Samsung+UE46F6400+LED+TV

 

Mozelleple112

The Panasonic ST60 has superior picture quality. I would go for that.

 

Yeah the ST60 seems  the best route to take. Mind you this Tv is stictly for gaming and possibly some movies (Netflix ect) Any idea on how this TV or plasms are in general on the eyes? ill be sitting maybe 6-8 feet away from it.

#26 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6701 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="agallo"]

Suggestions?

 

Found this Plasma 

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50S60-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/product-reviews/B00ARAHBIW/ref=sr_1_3_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50ST60-50-Inch-Plasma-Glasses/dp/B00AVRJK3K/ref=sr_1_3?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1380205345&sr=1-3&keywords=st60

or this in LED 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/50%22+Class+(49-1/2%22+Diag.)+-+LED+-+1080p+-+120Hz+-+Smart+-+3D+-+HDTV/8064062.p?id=1218863885647&skuId=8064062&st=samsugn%20f6400&cp=1&lp=4&AID=10597222&PID=5720506&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2F50%2522%2BClass%2B%2849-1%2F2%2522%2BDiag.%29%2B-%2BLED%2B-%2B1080p%2B-%2B120Hz%2B-%2BSmart%2B-%2B3D%2B-%2BHDTV%2F8064062.p%3Fid%3D1218863885647%26skuId%3D8064062%26st%3Dsamsugn%2520f6400%26cp%3D1%26lp%3D4&ref=39&loc=01&CJPID=5720506

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46ES6500-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B007B9PM4W/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380205986&sr=1-3&keywords=Samsung+UE46F6400+LED+TV

 

agallo

The Panasonic ST60 has superior picture quality. I would go for that.

 

Yeah the ST60 seems  the best route to take. Mind you this Tv is stictly for gaming and possibly some movies (Netflix ect) Any idea on how this TV or plasms are in general on the eyes? ill be sitting maybe 6-8 feet away from it.

It's fine. from 6 feet you could easily have a 50" plasma, without any strain.
#27 Posted by godzillavskong (7899 posts) -
[QUOTE="agallo"]

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

m3Boarder32
Don't worry about Hz if u go with Plasma. A 60hz Plasma has hold times that are twice as fast as a true120hz monitor. That's what cancels out motion blur, and makes movement look more fluid

Aren't a lot of plasmas 600hz? Curious. I've seen some panasonics that say 600hz. I don't know if that's just a marketing ploy, or if theyre really 600hz? I don't own any plasmas myself. I have 2 LEDs(60 Vizio Razor LED, 55in Toshiba LED), and 3 LCDs(55in Toshiba LCD, 46in Sony Bravia LCD, 26in Toshiba LCD). I thought about getting a LG 60 plasma, but I was worried about the potential burn-in.
#28 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6701 posts) -
[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="agallo"]

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

godzillavskong
Don't worry about Hz if u go with Plasma. A 60hz Plasma has hold times that are twice as fast as a true120hz monitor. That's what cancels out motion blur, and makes movement look more fluid

Aren't a lot of plasmas 600hz? Curious. I've seen some panasonics that say 600hz. I don't know if that's just a marketing ploy, or if theyre really 600hz? I don't own any plasmas myself. I have 2 LEDs(60 Vizio Razor LED, 55in Toshiba LED), and 3 LCDs(55in Toshiba LCD, 46in Sony Bravia LCD, 26in Toshiba LCD). I thought about getting a LG 60 plasma, but I was worried about the potential burn-in.

I wouldn't mind about hz numbers. They are all bullsh1t anyways. Apparently, Panasonics plasmas this year are 2400mhz, that's right.. 2.4ghz...
#29 Posted by godzillavskong (7899 posts) -
Yeah, I think they say 600hz sub field . Whatever that translates to?
#30 Posted by kraken2109 (13211 posts) -
Yeah, I think they say 600hz sub field . Whatever that translates to? godzillavskong
It refers to 10 zones each refreshing at 60hz IIRC. It's hard to compare with plasmas because the technology is very different.
#31 Posted by _SKatEDiRt_ (2621 posts) -

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="agallo"]

If I;m going to go LED. What are the ideal specs for it 240Hz what a good lagg time for a tv less than 20ms? Plasma is what a few of my friends game on and they swear by them.

godzillavskong

Don't worry about Hz if u go with Plasma. A 60hz Plasma has hold times that are twice as fast as a true120hz monitor. That's what cancels out motion blur, and makes movement look more fluid

Aren't a lot of plasmas 600hz? Curious. I've seen some panasonics that say 600hz. I don't know if that's just a marketing ploy, or if theyre really 600hz? I don't own any plasmas myself. I have 2 LEDs(60 Vizio Razor LED, 55in Toshiba LED), and 3 LCDs(55in Toshiba LCD, 46in Sony Bravia LCD, 26in Toshiba LCD). I thought about getting a LG 60 plasma, but I was worried about the potential burn-in.

Thats a bunch of crap haha true 120hz is 120hz 600hz plasma is still ONLY 60HZ. Get your info straight lol

#32 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6701 posts) -

Only two things I'd worry about are:

 

* input lag

* motion resolution

 

none of this 60-2400hz crap. 

#33 Posted by godzillavskong (7899 posts) -

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Don't worry about Hz if u go with Plasma. A 60hz Plasma has hold times that are twice as fast as a true120hz monitor. That's what cancels out motion blur, and makes movement look more fluid_SKatEDiRt_

Aren't a lot of plasmas 600hz? Curious. I've seen some panasonics that say 600hz. I don't know if that's just a marketing ploy, or if theyre really 600hz? I don't own any plasmas myself. I have 2 LEDs(60 Vizio Razor LED, 55in Toshiba LED), and 3 LCDs(55in Toshiba LCD, 46in Sony Bravia LCD, 26in Toshiba LCD). I thought about getting a LG 60 plasma, but I was worried about the potential burn-in.

Thats a bunch of crap haha true 120hz is 120hz 600hz plasma is still ONLY 60HZ. Get your info straight lol

Get your info straight?? What are u talking about? My post clearly says I was curious, meaning I wasn't sure. Calm down.
#34 Posted by godzillavskong (7899 posts) -
[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"] Aren't a lot of plasmas 600hz? Curious. I've seen some panasonics that say 600hz. I don't know if that's just a marketing ploy, or if theyre really 600hz? I don't own any plasmas myself. I have 2 LEDs(60 Vizio Razor LED, 55in Toshiba LED), and 3 LCDs(55in Toshiba LCD, 46in Sony Bravia LCD, 26in Toshiba LCD). I thought about getting a LG 60 plasma, but I was worried about the potential burn-in.godzillavskong

Thats a bunch of crap haha true 120hz is 120hz 600hz plasma is still ONLY 60HZ. Get your info straight lol

Get your info straight?? What are u talking about? My post clearly says I was curious, meaning I wasn't sure. Calm down.

Unless you weren't referring to me Skate.
#35 Posted by _SKatEDiRt_ (2621 posts) -

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"] Aren't a lot of plasmas 600hz? Curious. I've seen some panasonics that say 600hz. I don't know if that's just a marketing ploy, or if theyre really 600hz? I don't own any plasmas myself. I have 2 LEDs(60 Vizio Razor LED, 55in Toshiba LED), and 3 LCDs(55in Toshiba LCD, 46in Sony Bravia LCD, 26in Toshiba LCD). I thought about getting a LG 60 plasma, but I was worried about the potential burn-in.godzillavskong

Thats a bunch of crap haha true 120hz is 120hz 600hz plasma is still ONLY 60HZ. Get your info straight lol

Get your info straight?? What are u talking about? My post clearly says I was curious, meaning I wasn't sure. Calm down.

Oh i meant the guy before you but his post isnt showing up sorry for the confusion!

#36 Posted by godzillavskong (7899 posts) -

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Thats a bunch of crap haha true 120hz is 120hz 600hz plasma is still ONLY 60HZ. Get your info straight lol

_SKatEDiRt_

Get your info straight?? What are u talking about? My post clearly says I was curious, meaning I wasn't sure. Calm down.

Oh i meant the guy before you but his post isnt showing up sorry for the confusion!

Yeah. I figured that after my response. Sorry as well.
#37 Posted by donalbane (16376 posts) -
Plasma is cheaper, but also use more energy and generate more heat. Still... you can have tremendous picture quality and get a bigger screen for the money, so that's how I roll. The brightness fades over time, but only slightly... if you re-calibrate every 6-12 months, should be just dandy.
#38 Posted by sukraj (23870 posts) -

I used to game on a plasma but the colours looked washed out so now i play on a LED tv and i haven't looked back ever since.

#39 Posted by richierich176 (64 posts) -

I used to game on a plasma but the colours looked washed out so now i play on a LED tv and i haven't looked back ever since.

sukraj

you have to really screw up the settings to make it look 'washed out'. There was a time when plasma TV's had burn in issues that would discourage gaming on them, but those days are gone. Nowadays plasma just dominates LED in every aspect.... Price point, motion, side viewing angle , deep black levels that LED's are still nowhere close to.. the only thing LED's are good at is misinforming the naive public about what matters in a TV. Are plasma's reflective ? yes.. because they have real glass screens... just like old CRT TV's.. if you could play games on those .. you can play them on a plasma. Does the picture fade.. eventually .. just like everything else , wear and tear effects every item.. 20 years from now you may have to replace it.

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