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#1 Posted by nerdy100 (577 posts) -
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#2 Posted by RT_Jackson (3830 posts) -
Yes, Valve (creators of Steam) have deals in place with publishers to put their games on the Steam network. Both parties receive shares of sales.
#3 Posted by Pinkyimp (3623 posts) -

topicnerdy100

of course...if it wasent 2/3 of the PC gaming population would be breaking the law right now..

#4 Posted by bonafidetk (3820 posts) -
I will assume you are taking about the Steam Client owned by valve. And yes of course its legal. How would it not be.
#5 Posted by thusaha (14495 posts) -
Yes, it is.
#6 Posted by Cdscottie (1872 posts) -

No, Steam is actually illegal. As soon as Water (Which is legal in this case) becomes Steam it is now illegal....

Wait, you mean the Steam Client? Oh that is legal and a very good tool for any PC Gamer (As long as you have an Internet connection)

#7 Posted by roulettethedog (10965 posts) -
Steam sells Valve games and 3rd party companies like iD games when both parties agree to term's.
#8 Posted by DanielDust (15402 posts) -
Steam is legal, but cracked Steam clients, that I assume you are talking about and can download many games without buying, is illegal. The only place where Steam is legal is on steampowered, not other XXXSteamz, HaxxSteam or any other stupid named (no those names do not exist but that was an example ;)) Steam clients made by hackers.
#9 Posted by 1005 (3738 posts) -

[QUOTE="nerdy100"]topicPinkyimp

of course...if it wasent 2/3 of the PC gaming population would be breaking the law right now..

According to Crytek we are anyway :O!

But yes STEAM is perfectly legal.

#10 Posted by artiedeadat40 (1695 posts) -
No, I dont see how selling games is legal.
#11 Posted by Xavier_12 (824 posts) -

Buying games from EB Games isn't legal, is it?

Sheesh at this topic.

#12 Posted by Forerunner-117 (8800 posts) -
Of course it is. :|
#13 Posted by MisterEgo (201 posts) -
of course it is....if you have supreme commander it would just be basically another version of GPG net. (only you can buy stuff directly from steam)
#14 Posted by augustlight (400 posts) -
If it isn't, I'm an outlaw, and I'm loving the life!
#15 Posted by Drosa (3130 posts) -

It would have been shutdown my the feds by now if it wasn't. All of the other online distribution sites would be gone too.

I would not mind seeing both Valve and Steam go away. Valve has always struck me as being run by people who are far too arrogant for their own good or the good of the PC gaming community. When so many people seem to see PC gamers as a bunch a eliteist snobs that last thing we need is a company that embodies that arrogance as our representatives.

In the future please use your opening statements to elaborate on the thread topic. If I were a moderator I would have shut this thread down for being so vague.

#16 Posted by iamdoomed (16 posts) -
I'd ask is steam legal in this regard? I brought Half Life for the PC when originally released. Got Opposing forces, CounterStrike etc. Brought and paid for. I stopped playing Half Life and it's mods for a bit, went to get back into, downloaded the latest patch and what do I find? I can't connect to normal servers. I'm finding myself FORCED to install some piece of crap software (I was on dial up at the time making it more frustrating) Then after installing this piece of crap so I can run games I already own, this pice of **** thing called Steam then tells me my CD key is already registered or in use or some ****. FIx for this problem? I prove I own the CD Key? no can't do that now can I, Valve won't let me, gee I don't have manuals and boxes and **** for most of my software anyways, mean not many keep that **** for 10 years do they? So even if I can prove I own it Valve says I can't.... So how to fix it? Why pay more money ($10 at the time) for a game I already spent $100's on of course. So my question is, is this illegal? IF not why not, sounds like extortion to me, outright theft. making people pay for that whuch they already legally own? But I found a better solution, the Half Life community patch, and an XboX. Well until consoles make you connect to the net to play **** you already own. Half Life 2? I heard nothing but **** about STEAM and non net users having payed over $100 bucks for a game they couldn't use. Me? I waited for the console version and avoided all that ****. If people refused to use these services companies like valve couldn't pull this ****. It'll always make me think twice about buying their products in future or from any other company with such a setup. And they wonder why people resort to "cracked" versions and piracy.....
#17 Posted by iamdoomed (16 posts) -
Well I mean Valve can't and won't prove to me that someone else does have my CD key?
#18 Posted by dannenissan2 (1890 posts) -

Take a picture of the game discs? , if i remember correctly most cd's had the keys on the cd . take a picture of that and i'm pretty sure Valve thinks it's authentic enough . If you can't take a picture of the discs then you are screwed . And wether or not you have dial up means nothing , because you seem to want to play online anyway . Go here : https://support.steampowered.com/ , make an support account and adress your problem as a cd-key issue and you'll receive your answer shortly . Remeber to include the picture of the disks along with the cd-keys . Good luck

If they simply refuse to help you (which they shouldn't do) you can use your own nations consumer rights against them , giving you the ability to sue them . Valve certainley don't want that so they will certainley help you .

#19 Posted by iamdoomed (16 posts) -
Been there done that, My discs didn't have the Key on them, it was on a sticker inside the box, which I still have. (the piece of card the Cd-key is stickered on) but the question was "Is this legal?" SO yeah I have proof of I own it, but I can't prove it. All I seemed to get from them was "BUY NEW CD KEY FROM US" So yeah charging me for something I already own? legal or not?
#20 Posted by dannenissan2 (1890 posts) -

Well , if you're using the older versions Steam is not required . And if you can't find any servers that's probably because most use Steam version , but it might be something with your firewall or something . Because you still can play the games , you just can't register it onto Steam .

Edit: Here's a site with a list of all the non-steam servers (The ones used for the pre-steam version)

http://css.setti.info/servers/list-cs16.php

#21 Posted by MrUnSavory1 (777 posts) -

Actualy, Steam does not sell games. They sell the license to use the game software. Read the EULA in every piece of software you have, It tells you right there you are not purchasing.

#22 Posted by StealthKing93 (715 posts) -

Yes, it is.

#23 Posted by Anthony01355 (1486 posts) -

lol

#24 Posted by dan-rofl-copter (2702 posts) -

Dont see in what way it would not be legal.

#25 Posted by kokonut1971 (443 posts) -

the software itself is not illegal, but to me the business model of steam to me illegal,

why?:

Steam is software that facilitates DRM.. in different shape or forms.

Steam dictates when you get the updates for a game.

Steam may be the only source for a game update for some game now.

Steam is the only way you to activate your game ( again another form of DRM)

You cannot resell your game because of steam thus cannot gain somewhat money from your initial investment...

Used game reseller stores cannot resell"steamed" games thus losing money.

As you can see if you sit down and think about this, there are benefits but the benefits are only for the game publishers and not for the users.

Steam is control !!!

That is why if i have a choice i will avoid steam like the plague. Who says in the future that steam may start to put in it's own laws on how games are managed or your pc, laws that may go fully against you and your wishes for privacy and how you operate your machine.

Nope i do not like to see one system or company have too much control over my pc...Micro$oft is enough in our daily lives controlling everything on pc's, and we sure as hell do not need more monopoly companies running our show.

#26 Posted by Treflis (11522 posts) -
EA might say it isn't in hope to get it eliminated, but it is.
#27 Posted by Bumzur (560 posts) -

I'd ask is steam legal in this regard? I brought Half Life for the PC when originally released. Got Opposing forces, CounterStrike etc. Brought and paid for. I stopped playing Half Life and it's mods for a bit, went to get back into, downloaded the latest patch and what do I find? I can't connect to normal servers. I'm finding myself FORCED to install some piece of crap software (I was on dial up at the time making it more frustrating) Then after installing this piece of crap so I can run games I already own, this pice of **** thing called Steam then tells me my CD key is already registered or in use or some ****. FIx for this problem? I prove I own the CD Key? no can't do that now can I, Valve won't let me, gee I don't have manuals and boxes and **** for most of my software anyways, mean not many keep that **** for 10 years do they? So even if I can prove I own it Valve says I can't.... So how to fix it? Why pay more money ($10 at the time) for a game I already spent $100's on of course. So my question is, is this illegal? IF not why not, sounds like extortion to me, outright theft. making people pay for that whuch they already legally own? But I found a better solution, the Half Life community patch, and an XboX. Well until consoles make you connect to the net to play **** you already own. Half Life 2? I heard nothing but **** about STEAM and non net users having payed over $100 bucks for a game they couldn't use. Me? I waited for the console version and avoided all that ****. If people refused to use these services companies like valve couldn't pull this ****. It'll always make me think twice about buying their products in future or from any other company with such a setup. And they wonder why people resort to "cracked" versions and piracy.....iamdoomed

1) Steam is a great piece of software.

2) Steam isn't forcing itself upon you. There are no "normal" servers. WON got shut down many years ago. Steam is providing you with a service and yet all you do is complain.

3) Half-Life is like $5, stop being such a baby.

4) Same exact thing happened to me. All I had to do was send in a picture of my CD and they promptly gave me another CD Key. The folks at Steam are a great help.

#28 Posted by felixiration (433 posts) -

Take a picture of the game discs? , if i remember correctly most cd's had the keys on the cd . take a picture of that and i'm pretty sure Valve thinks it's authentic enough . If you can't take a picture of the discs then you are screwed . And wether or not you have dial up means nothing , because you seem to want to play online anyway . Go here : https://support.steampowered.com/ , make an support account and adress your problem as a cd-key issue and you'll receive your answer shortly . Remeber to include the picture of the disks along with the cd-keys . Good luck

If they simply refuse to help you (which they shouldn't do) you can use your own nations consumer rights against them , giving you the ability to sue them . Valve certainley don't want that so they will certainley help you .

dannenissan2

I didn't even think of that, with any luck you have just enabled me to finish fear 2

#29 Posted by ZuluEcho14 (8225 posts) -

Is the day sky blue? Of course it ****ing is! :P

#30 Posted by vajonah95 (3 posts) -
if steam didnt exsist then there would be no pc gaming population
#31 Posted by Fizz111 (796 posts) -

I think you made this topic because you had noting better to do. Steam is obviously legal, or it would not have been allowed to become a company.

#32 Posted by DanielDust (15402 posts) -
if steam didnt exsist then there would be no pc gaming populationvajonah95
What in the ... o_0. Do you actually believe that Steam users are all the PC gamers in the world? a good number of them, yes, but no way near the actual number of PC gamers.
#33 Posted by acare (15 posts) -
Lol topic. :D
#34 Posted by _LiquidFlame_ (13736 posts) -

Yeah it is.

#35 Posted by MrUnSavory1 (777 posts) -

I have steam, but only for one reason. I bought a retail copy of GTR Evo from Microcenter andI HAD to install steam to be able to play the multiplayer. Steam sucks and I will not use them for games. Why should I be forced to install their client to be able to play a game I purchased from a store? that is the lamest thing on the face of the planet. If you folks want to let a company hold you hostage by your short hairs while you praise the goodnes of the goo they spew to you more power to you. I been gaming way to many years to settle for that crappola. :-D Oh, and before you flame me for my opinion of Steam, save your energy. it falls on deaf ears.

#36 Posted by NSR34GTR (13179 posts) -
Steam is legal, but cracked Steam clients, that I assume you are talking about and can download many games without buying, is illegal. The only place where Steam is legal is on steampowered, not other XXXSteamz, HaxxSteam or any other stupid named (no those names do not exist but that was an example ;)) Steam clients made by hackers.DanielDust
i didnt know you could actually crack steam :(
#37 Posted by topsemag55 (19063 posts) -

On the whole I think Steam is ok, but I'm glad there are other vendors to choose from, such as Stardock, GamersGate, and D2D. GamersGate has a good approach to gamers: their policy is "you bought the game, you can download and install it as many times as you need to." That's a really fair shake, imo, as sometimes a glitch can only be resolved with an uninstall/reinstall of software.

#39 Posted by TheBigBadGRIM (999 posts) -

[QUOTE="nerdy100"]topicPinkyimp

of course...if it wasent 2/3 of the PC gaming population would be breaking the law right now..

They are :)
#40 Posted by sircyrus (6358 posts) -

1) Steam is a great piece of software.Bumzur
I wouldn't go that far.

Whenever I load up Steam my browser will freeze until Steam has finished connecting. Whenever I shut down Steam, it lags my PC up for about 20seconds. I've quit out of Steam games (like Left 4 Dead) and had my PC suddenly restart itself.

I've never had any issues with this PC other than when Steam has been involved.

#41 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bumzur"]1) Steam is a great piece of software.sircyrus

I wouldn't go that far.

Whenever I load up Steam my browser will freeze until Steam has finished connecting. Whenever I shut down Steam, it lags my PC up for about 20seconds. I've quit out of Steam games (like Left 4 Dead) and had my PC suddenly restart itself.

I've never had any issues with this PC other than when Steam has been involved.

You cant blame steam for having a bad computer... It's like blaming a game for not working on your PC. If your computer cant handlt running steam, why are you even attempting to run l4d? no wonder your computer restarts itself.

#42 Posted by Bumzur (560 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bumzur"]1) Steam is a great piece of software.sircyrus

I wouldn't go that far.

Whenever I load up Steam my browser will freeze until Steam has finished connecting. Whenever I shut down Steam, it lags my PC up for about 20seconds. I've quit out of Steam games (like Left 4 Dead) and had my PC suddenly restart itself.

I've never had any issues with this PC other than when Steam has been involved.

Actually, I have this exact problem too. I still don't mind that much.
#43 Posted by Crucifier (7195 posts) -
better question, is OPs mom legal?
#44 Posted by MrUnSavory1 (777 posts) -

LMAO!!!!.........Poor Blade5555.........I love when they make my point for me.... :)

#45 Posted by sircyrus (6358 posts) -

[QUOTE="sircyrus"]

[QUOTE="Bumzur"]1) Steam is a great piece of software.Nibroc420

I wouldn't go that far.

Whenever I load up Steam my browser will freeze until Steam has finished connecting. Whenever I shut down Steam, it lags my PC up for about 20seconds. I've quit out of Steam games (like Left 4 Dead) and had my PC suddenly restart itself.

I've never had any issues with this PC other than when Steam has been involved.

You cant blame steam for having a bad computer... It's like blaming a game for not working on your PC. If your computer cant handlt running steam, why are you even attempting to run l4d? no wonder your computer restarts itself.

Who said anything about my PC not being able to handle Steam? It's far far above the requirements for L4D. I built this PC from scratch last September. It's nothing to do with specs not being up to par, it has to do with Steam. As shown by Bumzur, it's a known issue.

Don't leap to assumptions, it makes you look foolish.

#46 Posted by BDAMKII (1 posts) -
Not the best way to phrase the question - but I agree, yes Steam is operates illegally The question isn't about illegal downloading! It's about whether Steam operates legally in relation to consumer rights By linking the product to your Steam account and making it impossible to unassign the product key they prevent resale of products. When someone buys the game in a shop there is nothing clearly explaining to the consumer what Steam is and how it works. It hoists itself on their PC and causes endless problems for ebayers who don not realise how Steam operates. If you bought a car from Honda would it be legal if they could disable the vehicle if it was sold second hand? No. Would if be legal if they claimed that overnight the rules of buying cars changed and the smallprint said that you were not buying a car, only 'the license to drive the car'? No. Steam is dressed up as a consumer service, that really exists to combat piracy, and goes on to cheat the consumer and force a poor service upon them that is poorly explained. I dread to think how many Christmas' it has ruined for families with average PC literacy. The willingness of Valve and software publishers to bully and rob consumers is an incredible incentive for software piracy. I have 0% sympathy with games publishers who use Steam and makelife difficult for those who buy legitimate software.
#47 Posted by James161324 (8315 posts) -

Not the best way to phrase the question - but I agree, yes Steam is operates illegally The question isn't about illegal downloading! It's about whether Steam operates legally in relation to consumer rights By linking the product to your Steam account and making it impossible to unassign the product key they prevent resale of products. When someone buys the game in a shop there is nothing clearly explaining to the consumer what Steam is and how it works. It hoists itself on their PC and causes endless problems for ebayers who don not realise how Steam operates. If you bought a car from Honda would it be legal if they could disable the vehicle if it was sold second hand? No. Would if be legal if they claimed that overnight the rules of buying cars changed and the smallprint said that you were not buying a car, only 'the license to drive the car'? No. Steam is dressed up as a consumer service, that really exists to combat piracy, and goes on to cheat the consumer and force a poor service upon them that is poorly explained. I dread to think how many Christmas' it has ruined for families with average PC literacy. The willingness of Valve and software publishers to bully and rob consumers is an incredible incentive for software piracy. I have 0% sympathy with games publishers who use Steam and makelife difficult for those who buy legitimate software. BDAMKII

First why did you bump this, and second steam is as legal as it gets. You do not own the right to resale games, you only own the right to play that game. A court decision confirmed that.

#48 Posted by urbangamez (2107 posts) -

Necro thread....

#49 Posted by JigglyWiggly_ (23500 posts) -
Nope. Steam is a terroist organization.
#50 Posted by mystic_knight (13801 posts) -
As it is considered disruptive, please avoid bumping/posting in old threads.