intel lied.. haswell is misleading

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#1 Posted by ionusX (25716 posts) -

http://wccftech.com/intel-removes-overclocking-nonk-series-haswell-parts/

okay so you the user want to get a cpu for a little bit of everything. maybe do some virtualization, some gaming, and you want to verclock. guess what. you got jacked by intel as you now have to choose. WCCFtech has looked into the matter and its accurate as hell.

k series cpu's can overclock but they lack virtual ahrdware extensions making VM's impossible on K series cpu's. but they are on non-k variant which are COMPLETELY LOCKED, meaning you can even brute force a tiny overclock out.

this should be an interesting fight we have here. haswell is a stock flop with two faces vs amd's weaker, cheaper, one size fits all approach. who will come out on top?
 

#2 Posted by --Anna-- (4496 posts) -

http://wccftech.com/intel-removes-overclocking-nonk-series-haswell-parts/

okay so you the user want to get a cpu for a little bit of everything. maybe do some virtualization, some gaming, and you want to verclock. guess what. you got jacked by intel as you now have to choose. WCCFtech has looked into the matter and its accurate as hell.

k series cpu's can overclock but they lack virtual ahrdware extensions making VM's impossible on K series cpu's. but they are on non-k variant which are COMPLETELY LOCKED, meaning you can even brute force a tiny overclock out.

this should be an interesting fight we have here. haswell is a stock flop with two faces vs amd's weaker, cheaper, one size fits all approach. who will come out on top?
 

ionusX

Has anyone called you a fan boy idiot lately:roll:   just anyone who follows tech stuff knows that Haswell sucks.  Why not tell me something new?  Otherwise, you are just wasting space in the forum.  PS: It would be nice if you would use spell-check at least sometimes.

#3 Posted by Gamartto (1986 posts) -
Wasn't this the same behavior with the previous tech? I mean, I bought the 3820 processor because I knew that the 3770K wasn't able to support virtualization (source: intel ark ) and was locked to 32GB of RAM. Why is this news?
#4 Posted by dramaybaz (6020 posts) -
At least it isn't a flop like the bulldozer. :P
#5 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

http://wccftech.com/intel-removes-overclocking-nonk-series-haswell-parts/

okay so you the user want to get a cpu for a little bit of everything. maybe do some virtualization, some gaming, and you want to verclock. guess what. you got jacked by intel as you now have to choose. WCCFtech has looked into the matter and its accurate as hell.

k series cpu's can overclock but they lack virtual ahrdware extensions making VM's impossible on K series cpu's. but they are on non-k variant which are COMPLETELY LOCKED, meaning you can even brute force a tiny overclock out.

this should be an interesting fight we have here. haswell is a stock flop with two faces vs amd's weaker, cheaper, one size fits all approach. who will come out on top?
 

--Anna--

Has anyone called you a fan boy idiot lately:roll:   just anyone who follows tech stuff knows that Haswell sucks.  Why not tell me something new?  Otherwise, you are just wasting space in the forum.  PS: It would be nice if you would use spell-check at least sometimes.

 

Mad status: active

#6 Posted by --Anna-- (4496 posts) -

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

http://wccftech.com/intel-removes-overclocking-nonk-series-haswell-parts/

okay so you the user want to get a cpu for a little bit of everything. maybe do some virtualization, some gaming, and you want to verclock. guess what. you got jacked by intel as you now have to choose. WCCFtech has looked into the matter and its accurate as hell.

k series cpu's can overclock but they lack virtual ahrdware extensions making VM's impossible on K series cpu's. but they are on non-k variant which are COMPLETELY LOCKED, meaning you can even brute force a tiny overclock out.

this should be an interesting fight we have here. haswell is a stock flop with two faces vs amd's weaker, cheaper, one size fits all approach. who will come out on top?
 

GummiRaccoon

Has anyone called you a fan boy idiot lately:roll:   just anyone who follows tech stuff knows that Haswell sucks.  Why not tell me something new?  Otherwise, you are just wasting space in the forum.  PS: It would be nice if you would use spell-check at least sometimes.

 

Mad status: active

Turth status active...otherwise FO.

#7 Posted by C_Rule (9812 posts) -
This doesn't mean Haswell can't run VMs, it's just missing some VM related features.
#8 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]

Has anyone called you a fan boy idiot lately:roll:   just anyone who follows tech stuff knows that Haswell sucks.  Why not tell me something new?  Otherwise, you are just wasting space in the forum.  PS: It would be nice if you would use spell-check at least sometimes.

--Anna--

 

Mad status: active

Turth status active...otherwise FO.

Whats turth?

#9 Posted by imprezawrx500 (19187 posts) -
Nothing new, Intel has always be bad as far as letting consumers do what they want with their cpu. Support the underdog and buy AMD, you'll hardly notice the difference. If it wasn't for AMD intel would probably started soldering the cpus to the motherboard by now.
#10 Posted by JigglyWiggly_ (23835 posts) -

This is for vt-d, hardware virtualization still works. It's the same thing for ivy bridge and sandy bridge.

vt-x still works.

 

#11 Posted by kraken2109 (13209 posts) -

So how much real world difference is there?

Would this prevent you from running certain VMs? Or certain software in a VM? Or just lower performance in VMs?

#12 Posted by Gaming-Planet (14360 posts) -

It was a disappointment, I think we all know that. Not worth upgrading to.

#13 Posted by JigglyWiggly_ (23835 posts) -

So how much real world difference is there?

Would this prevent you from running certain VMs? Or certain software in a VM? Or just lower performance in VMs?

kraken2109

no

it's for setting a specific pci express device to a specific virtual machine

 

nobody on this forum has a use for vt-d

#14 Posted by kraken2109 (13209 posts) -

[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

So how much real world difference is there?

Would this prevent you from running certain VMs? Or certain software in a VM? Or just lower performance in VMs?

JigglyWiggly_

no

it's for setting a specific pci express device to a specific virtual machine

 

nobody on this forum has a use for vt-d

So it makes no real world difference for 99% of people?
#15 Posted by JigglyWiggly_ (23835 posts) -
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

So how much real world difference is there?

Would this prevent you from running certain VMs? Or certain software in a VM? Or just lower performance in VMs?

kraken2109

no

it's for setting a specific pci express device to a specific virtual machine

 

nobody on this forum has a use for vt-d

So it makes no real world difference for 99% of people?

Yes, it makes no difference.
#16 Posted by JimmyJumpy (2554 posts) -

How about: "IonusX lied... topic title is misleading" :P

#17 Posted by Xtasy26 (4340 posts) -

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

http://wccftech.com/intel-removes-overclocking-nonk-series-haswell-parts/

okay so you the user want to get a cpu for a little bit of everything. maybe do some virtualization, some gaming, and you want to verclock. guess what. you got jacked by intel as you now have to choose. WCCFtech has looked into the matter and its accurate as hell.

k series cpu's can overclock but they lack virtual ahrdware extensions making VM's impossible on K series cpu's. but they are on non-k variant which are COMPLETELY LOCKED, meaning you can even brute force a tiny overclock out.

this should be an interesting fight we have here. haswell is a stock flop with two faces vs amd's weaker, cheaper, one size fits all approach. who will come out on top?

--Anna--

Has anyone called you a fan boy idiot lately:roll: just anyone who follows tech stuff knows that Haswell sucks. Why not tell me something new? Otherwise, you are just wasting space in the forum. PS: It would be nice if you would use spell-check at least sometimes.

I like his posts, they are informative. If you don't like then don't read it. Simple as that.

#18 Posted by Xtasy26 (4340 posts) -

Nothing new, Intel has always be bad as far as letting consumers do what they want with their cpu. Support the underdog and buy AMD, you'll hardly notice the difference. If it wasn't for AMD intel would probably started soldering the cpus to the motherboard by now.imprezawrx500

Zing! I think we have a winner. AMD in most cases matches intel @1080P in maxed out resolution and in Crysis 3 FX 8350 actually BEATS intel's Core i7 2600K.

Heck if you want to get a Haswell CPU you have to get a new MB because Haswell uses a new socket lolololo. Whereas if you had brought a Bulldozer CPU back in 2011 you could have upgraded to Piledriver or wait for Steamroller because they will be using the same socket.

People are ignorant and buy into intel's marketing crap.

#19 Posted by Cyberdot (3917 posts) -

What is the big deal here?

If you want to overclock, simply buy the K-series.

#20 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

I'm still getting the Haswell E.

#21 Posted by FaustArp (1036 posts) -
Blah blah blah blah blahionusX
AMD CPUs are terrible.
#22 Posted by djdarkforces (810 posts) -

i got fed up with intel cpu + sockets after socket 775 intels cpus are solid but fed up what there doing thats why i went amd am3+ no complaints with my cpu

#23 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="ionusX"]Blah blah blah blah blahFaustArp
AMD CPUs are terrible.

Says the guy that bought a titan

#24 Posted by kraken2109 (13209 posts) -

[QUOTE="FaustArp"][QUOTE="ionusX"]Blah blah blah blah blahGummiRaccoon

AMD CPUs are terrible.

Says the guy that bought a titan

He bought two actually.
#25 Posted by FaustArp (1036 posts) -

[QUOTE="FaustArp"][QUOTE="ionusX"]Blah blah blah blah blahGummiRaccoon

AMD CPUs are terrible.

Says the guy that bought a titan

I have no idea what that has to do with CPUs...

#26 Posted by kraken2109 (13209 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="FaustArp"] AMD CPUs are terrible.FaustArp

Says the guy that bought a titan

I have no idea what that has to do with CPUs...

Neither do I
#27 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="FaustArp"] AMD CPUs are terrible.FaustArp

Says the guy that bought a titan

I have no idea what that has to do with CPUs...

Your cognitive ability is minus, thus your judgement on what constitutes terrible is questionable.

#28 Posted by C_Rule (9812 posts) -

[QUOTE="FaustArp"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Says the guy that bought a titan

GummiRaccoon

I have no idea what that has to do with CPUs...

Your cognitive ability is minus, thus your judgement on what constitutes terrible is questionable.


So someone who buys a Bugatti is not allowed to say; a Prius is shit?

#gummilogic
#29 Posted by JigglyWiggly_ (23835 posts) -

[QUOTE="FaustArp"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Says the guy that bought a titan

GummiRaccoon

I have no idea what that has to do with CPUs...

Your cognitive ability is minus, thus your judgement on what constitutes terrible is questionable.

If you have the money, it's not an issue. Chances are you can just upgrade to the next big thing when you want to if you can buy two titans.
#30 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="FaustArp"]

I have no idea what that has to do with CPUs...

C_Rule

Your cognitive ability is minus, thus your judgement on what constitutes terrible is questionable.


So someone who buys a Bugatti is not allowed to say; a Prius is shit?

#gummilogic

Someone that buys a bugatti has minus cognitive ability.  Cars aren't investments.

#31 Posted by _SKatEDiRt_ (2621 posts) -

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Your cognitive ability is minus, thus your judgement on what constitutes terrible is questionable.

GummiRaccoon


So someone who buys a Bugatti is not allowed to say; a Prius is shit?

#gummilogic

Someone that buys a bugatti has minus cognitive ability.  Cars aren't investments.

Oh that made me laugh

#32 Posted by C_Rule (9812 posts) -

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Your cognitive ability is minus, thus your judgement on what constitutes terrible is questionable.

GummiRaccoon


So someone who buys a Bugatti is not allowed to say; a Prius is shit?

#gummilogic

Someone that buys a bugatti has minus cognitive ability.  Cars aren't investments.

Neither are gaming PCs, yet here we are.
#33 Posted by JigglyWiggly_ (23835 posts) -

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Your cognitive ability is minus, thus your judgement on what constitutes terrible is questionable.

GummiRaccoon


So someone who buys a Bugatti is not allowed to say; a Prius is shit?

#gummilogic

Someone that buys a bugatti has minus cognitive ability.  Cars aren't investments.

ya i agree

i would get a road legal f3 car if I had that kind of money

#34 Posted by kraken2109 (13209 posts) -

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Your cognitive ability is minus, thus your judgement on what constitutes terrible is questionable.

GummiRaccoon


So someone who buys a Bugatti is not allowed to say; a Prius is shit?

#gummilogic

Someone that buys a bugatti has minus cognitive ability.  Cars aren't investments.

Slow down Mr Spock
#35 Posted by kungfool69 (2583 posts) -

upgrading the CPU has never been something i do. I build a decent PC, keep it for 3-5 years. might swap a GPU 1 or 2 times, might upgrade the ram, add a few HDD's. Once it no longer fulfills my needs, i hand it down ot family and buy a new one :D stretching my i7 930 out now though. Might drop a better heat sink and OC it to last till skylake ( i have some heavy video editing to do later this, only have cash for fan upgrade, not CPU or PC upgrade)

#36 Posted by Marfoo (5994 posts) -

[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

So how much real world difference is there?

Would this prevent you from running certain VMs? Or certain software in a VM? Or just lower performance in VMs?

JigglyWiggly_

no

it's for setting a specific pci express device to a specific virtual machine

 

nobody on this forum has a use for vt-d

Actually, I may have use for that in the lab I work in. So, one person has use for it. :P
#37 Posted by FaustArp (1036 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]
So someone who buys a Bugatti is not allowed to say; a Prius is shit?

#gummilogicC_Rule

Someone that buys a bugatti has minus cognitive ability.  Cars aren't investments.

Neither are gaming PCs, yet here we are.

:lol:

People who buy expensive things are "minus cognitive ability," and cars are not investments but Gaming PCs are.  Got it.

Anyway, what were we talking about again?  Oh yeah, stay out of my booze cabinet.

#38 Posted by commander (8624 posts) -
[QUOTE="ionusX"]Blah blah blah blah blahFaustArp
AMD CPUs are terrible.

this
#39 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="C_Rule"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Someone that buys a bugatti has minus cognitive ability.  Cars aren't investments.

FaustArp

Neither are gaming PCs, yet here we are.

:lol:

People who buy expensive things are "minus cognitive ability," and cars are not investments but Gaming PCs are.  Got it.

Anyway, what were we talking about again?  Oh yeah, stay out of my booze cabinet.

Enjoy being terrible with money.

#40 Posted by darksusperia (6943 posts) -

;Cars aren't investments.

GummiRaccoon
Jay Leno wants a word with you.
#41 Posted by kraken2109 (13209 posts) -
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

;Cars aren't investments.

darksusperia
Jay Leno wants a word with you.

They're certainly better investments than technology like PCs and phones.
#42 Posted by Marfoo (5994 posts) -
Yeah, gaming PCs are terrible investments. I mean, I spent $640 on two graphics cards in 2008 and sold them this year for $40 a piece.
#43 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

;Cars aren't investments.

darksusperia

Jay Leno wants a word with you.

Jay Leno is an idiot.

#44 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="darksusperia"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

;Cars aren't investments.

kraken2109

Jay Leno wants a word with you.

They're certainly better investments than technology like PCs and phones.

Computers and phones aren't investments either.

#45 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="darksusperia"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

;Cars aren't investments.

GummiRaccoon

Jay Leno wants a word with you.

Jay Leno is an idiot.

 

What did you just say?

#46 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="darksusperia"] Jay Leno wants a word with you.hartsickdiscipl

Jay Leno is an idiot.

 

What did you just say?

Captain, that phrase does not work on the internet.

#47 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Jay Leno is an idiot.

GummiRaccoon

 

What did you just say?

Captain, that phrase does not work on the internet.

 

Jay Leno is the freaking man.  

#48 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

What did you just say?

hartsickdiscipl

Captain, that phrase does not work on the internet.

 

 

Jay Leno is the freaking man.  

No, he's a piece of shit and an idiot.

#49 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Captain, that phrase does not work on the internet.

GummiRaccoon

 

 

Jay Leno is the freaking man.  

No, he's a piece of shit and an idiot.

 

Negatory.  What's with the Jay Leno hate?

#50 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13650 posts) -

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

 

Jay Leno is the freaking man.  

hartsickdiscipl

No, he's a piece of shit and an idiot.

 

Negatory.  What's with the Jay Leno hate?

1) bad human being

2) not funny