I need to get a new computer...

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#1 Posted by CleverUser (15 posts) -
Alright, I have been using a dell xps 1530 for my pc gaming and other pc needs, but it's video card and mother board have both gone caput. I did some research into where to get a new one and it turns out that the mother boards made for this year have been known to be pretty bad and tend to last only a year, knowin this my computer suggested that I just upgrade to a better laptop or desktop. I really would like to get a good desktop, the problem is I will, most likely, be going off to collage in two years making question what to do. I have about 350 $ saves up and will probably be getting at least 150$ for my birth day and my dad said he'd pitch in ~150$ if I can save up that kin of money to buy a computer. I don't tend to run many complicated games usually just stuff like league of legends, tf2, and Starcraft 2 ( Im pretty bad at the real multiplayer but, I still like to play the custom games), nothing really over the top like Crysis or skyrim and such. So, what should I do? I am leaning more twoards the desktop but, not sure what I'd do when I have to go to collage.
#2 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -

Here's a full new pc and gpu to add to it

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1553701&CatId=2726

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5247876&CatId=7387

#3 Posted by CleverUser (15 posts) -

Here's a full new pc and gpu to add to it

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1553701&CatId=2726

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5247876&CatId=7387

04dcarraher
Could you elaborate on this a bit? Why is this a computer that would suite my needs? I mean isn't it better to build one from scratch I do have a friend who has built his own computer that could help me
#4 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -
I didnt know you wanted to build your own Pc.
#5 Posted by ionusX (25716 posts) -

I didnt know you wanted to build your own Pc.04dcarraher
mmhmm this being said you wont find many deals for much better given the parts in the pc itself. building is normally superior but at your budget your basically only going to flip the graph in terms of preformance. what i mean by that is you will be getting better parts in some aspects but other parts would be reduced in terms of quality or preformance (or possibly both)

here is what i would do with a build for $670 (about the same as 04carr's build)

amd phenom II x4 965 BE (newegg)

ASrock icafe am3+ motherboard

8gb ddr3 ram (likely a 2x4gb kit from kingston or g. skill)

rosewill challenger-U3 (if it has the bundle i would get the 630 watt stallion or 530watt green series PSU in a combo)

dvd-rom

amd hd 7770 ghz ed. (sapphire or powercolor)

windows 7 64-bit OEM

and then a hard drive with the remainder

the trade-offs to the pre-built above is this:

pro's: the gpu would come with either a free game or a free magazine issue, the case is better as is the pwoer supply and the quality of the ram, and motherboard. the graphics card would also be superior in terms of power consumption and preformance

con's: the processor would be significantly weaker though still capable of playing games in todays PC gaming market.

if i am lowballing for the budget the next thing i would do is replace the phenom II x4 for likely a phenom fx-6300 but this would only reduce how far behind your cpu would be from the machine above. if you want to go this route you say the word but essentially youd wind up at the same place you would be getting the pre-built and adding the videocard.

#6 Posted by CleverUser (15 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]I didnt know you wanted to build your own Pc.ionusX

mmhmm this being said you wont find many deals for much better given the parts in the pc itself. building is normally superior but at your budget your basically only going to flip the graph in terms of preformance. what i mean by that is you will be getting better parts in some aspects but other parts would be reduced in terms of quality or preformance (or possibly both)

here is what i would do with a build for $670 (about the same as 04carr's build)

amd phenom II x4 965 BE (newegg)

ASrock icafe am3+ motherboard

8gb ddr3 ram (likely a 2x4gb kit from kingston or g. skill)

rosewill challenger-U3 (if it has the bundle i would get the 630 watt stallion or 530watt green series PSU in a combo)

dvd-rom

amd hd 7770 ghz ed. (sapphire or powercolor)

windows 7 64-bit OEM

and then a hard drive with the remainder

the trade-offs to the pre-built above is this:

pro's: the gpu would come with either a free game or a free magazine issue, the case is better as is the pwoer supply and the quality of the ram, and motherboard. the graphics card would also be superior in terms of power consumption and preformance

con's: the processor would be significantly weaker though still capable of playing games in todays PC gaming market.

if i am lowballing for the budget the next thing i would do is replace the phenom II x4 for likely a phenom fx-6300 but this would only reduce how far behind your cpu would be from the machine above. if you want to go this route you say the word but essentially youd wind up at the same place you would be getting the pre-built and adding the videocard.

Hmm, can't say I expected to be better off with a prebuilt, but thanks for the information it really helps. Now, I have the question of monitor and keyboard. What brand and model should I buy? I'm looking for somthing that will last buy as you know I have a limited budget.
#7 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -

For a keyboard, any will do. and for a monitor just make sure the contrast ratio is higher then 5000, has 5ms response time or lower. This will work

20"

#8 Posted by canotryss (3 posts) -
think so,con's: the processor would be significantly weaker though still capable of playing games in todays PC gaming market.
#9 Posted by brownstephen259 (267 posts) -
How these parts Intel Core i3-3220 Processor: http://goo.gl/VkfHE Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 Graphics Card: http://goo.gl/sWlSo - Out of stock? Try here: http://goo.gl/FYevq Asus P8-H77-I Motherboard: http://goo.gl/iQ2ak 8GB Samsung DDR3 1600MHz RAM: http://goo.gl/PtqKe 500GB Western Digital Caviar Blue Hard Drive: http://goo.gl/anjgl Bitfenix Prodigy Case: http://goo.gl/gaaLj Out of stock? Try here: http://goo.gl/b0gEC 430W Corsair CX430 Power Supply: http://goo.gl/yteIl
#10 Posted by brownstephen259 (267 posts) -
Found another one for 500 dollars Expand for the links! Intel Core i3-2120 CPU: http://goo.gl/4ByKQ Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2 Motherboard: http://goo.gl/RiIfW Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 Graphics Card: http://goo.gl/6wvOH PNY Optima 4GB RAM: http://goo.gl/bWL0W Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB Hard Drive: http://goo.gl/Oa48I Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 500W Power Supply: http://goo.gl/k4Cqm Antec Three Hundred Case: http://goo.gl/Yt7so Sony DVD Burner: http://goo.gl/NAEnE Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Operating System: http://goo.gl/a8JAg
#11 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -
Forget dual core based systems
#12 Posted by brownstephen259 (267 posts) -
Or how about this Asus M5A78L-M LX Plus 760G Motherboard, AMD FX-4300 Quad-Core, Mushkin Silverline 8GB Memory, Mushkin 120GB SSD, Rosewill Gaming ATX Mid Tower w/650W PSU SuperComb http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1106136
#13 Posted by brownstephen259 (267 posts) -
Here's the last one AMD A10-5800K Quad-Core, Asus F2A85-M Pro FM2 A85X, G.Skill 8GB Memory, Seagate 1.5TB HDD, Rosewill ATX Mid Tower Case w/500W PSU SuperCombo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1080503
#14 Posted by kraken2109 (13078 posts) -

For a keyboard, any will do. and for a monitor just make sure the contrast ratio is higher then 5000, has 5ms response time or lower. This will work

20"

04dcarraher
When buying a monitor just go by reviews, pretty much all the numbers apart from resolution are made up.
#15 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

For a keyboard, any will do. and for a monitor just make sure the contrast ratio is higher then 5000, has 5ms response time or lower. This will work

20"

kraken2109
When buying a monitor just go by reviews, pretty much all the numbers apart from resolution are made up.

No their not just made up, granted one company may use different standards or may fudge up their numbers but the specs do matter to an extent.
#16 Posted by kraken2109 (13078 posts) -
[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

For a keyboard, any will do. and for a monitor just make sure the contrast ratio is higher then 5000, has 5ms response time or lower. This will work

20"

04dcarraher
When buying a monitor just go by reviews, pretty much all the numbers apart from resolution are made up.

No their not just made up, granted one company may use different standards or may fudge up their numbers but the specs do matter to an extent.

Response time means very little due to companies measuring them differently, contrast ratio is always inflated. You just posted a link to a monitor claiming to have a 12,000,000 :1 contrast ratio. Don't tell me you believe it does, when the best IPS panels available are barely over 1000:1
#17 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] When buying a monitor just go by reviews, pretty much all the numbers apart from resolution are made up.kraken2109
No their not just made up, granted one company may use different standards or may fudge up their numbers but the specs do matter to an extent.

Response time means very little due to companies measuring them differently, contrast ratio is always inflated. You just posted a link to a monitor claiming to have a 12,000,000 :1 contrast ratio. Don't tell me you believe it does, when the best IPS panels available are barely over 1000:1

Response times do matter your not going to pick a lcd with 8ms when you can get a 2ms that may or may not be excatly 2ms.

There is a difference between static vs dynamic contrast ratio, dynamic contrast is a measurement of the brightest white the HDTV can produce as compared to the blackest black while in motion. For example, some LCD HDTVs use technology that brightens the overall picture in well-lit scenes to achieve very bright whites, and dims the overall picture in low-lit scenes to achieve truer, darker blacks. As long as all monitors are LCD baseddynamic contrast does matter. Usually higher static contrast ratio based montitors have the better image quality and do have even higherdynamic contrast ratio ability.

#18 Posted by kraken2109 (13078 posts) -

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] No their not just made up, granted one company may use different standards or may fudge up their numbers but the specs do matter to an extent.04dcarraher

Response time means very little due to companies measuring them differently, contrast ratio is always inflated. You just posted a link to a monitor claiming to have a 12,000,000 :1 contrast ratio. Don't tell me you believe it does, when the best IPS panels available are barely over 1000:1

Response times do matter your not going to pick a lcd with 8ms when you can get a 2ms that may or may not be excatly 2ms.

There is a difference between static vs dynamic contrast ratio, dynamic contrast is a measurement of the brightest white the HDTV can produce as compared to the blackest black while in motion. For example, some LCD HDTVs use technology that brightens the overall picture in well-lit scenes to achieve very bright whites, and dims the overall picture in low-lit scenes to achieve truer, darker blacks. As long as all monitors are LCD baseddynamic contrast does matter. Usually higher static contrast ratio based montitors have the better image quality and do have even higherdynamic contrast ratio ability.

When has dynamic contrast actually looked good?
#19 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="kraken2109"] Response time means very little due to companies measuring them differently, contrast ratio is always inflated. You just posted a link to a monitor claiming to have a 12,000,000 :1 contrast ratio. Don't tell me you believe it does, when the best IPS panels available are barely over 1000:1kraken2109

Response times do matter your not going to pick a lcd with 8ms when you can get a 2ms that may or may not be excatly 2ms.

There is a difference between static vs dynamic contrast ratio, dynamic contrast is a measurement of the brightest white the HDTV can produce as compared to the blackest black while in motion. For example, some LCD HDTVs use technology that brightens the overall picture in well-lit scenes to achieve very bright whites, and dims the overall picture in low-lit scenes to achieve truer, darker blacks. As long as all monitors are LCD baseddynamic contrast does matter. Usually higher static contrast ratio based montitors have the better image quality and do have even higherdynamic contrast ratio ability.

When has dynamic contrast actually looked good?

When almost all lcd's only have 1000:1 or less static ratio. It helps to have higher dynamic contrast.
#20 Posted by kraken2109 (13078 posts) -
[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

Response times do matter your not going to pick a lcd with 8ms when you can get a 2ms that may or may not be excatly 2ms.

There is a difference between static vs dynamic contrast ratio, dynamic contrast is a measurement of the brightest white the HDTV can produce as compared to the blackest black while in motion. For example, some LCD HDTVs use technology that brightens the overall picture in well-lit scenes to achieve very bright whites, and dims the overall picture in low-lit scenes to achieve truer, darker blacks. As long as all monitors are LCD baseddynamic contrast does matter. Usually higher static contrast ratio based montitors have the better image quality and do have even higherdynamic contrast ratio ability.

04dcarraher
When has dynamic contrast actually looked good?

When almost all lcd's only have 1000:1 or less static ratio. It helps to have higher dynamic contrast.

It rarely works well, you just end up with brightness fluctuating horribly which is incredibly distracting. At least it is to me.
#21 Posted by CleverUser (15 posts) -

Here's a full new pc and gpu to add to it

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1553701&CatId=2726

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5247876&CatId=7387

04dcarraher
How soon would I need to replace the current graphics card with the one you reccomend?
#22 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -
With the games you say you play not for awhile.
#23 Posted by edda0199 (26 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] When has dynamic contrast actually looked good?kraken2109
When almost all lcd's only have 1000:1 or less static ratio. It helps to have higher dynamic contrast.

It rarely works well, you just end up with brightness fluctuating horribly which is incredibly distracting. At least it is to me.

Yes, it is really do it !

#24 Posted by XgamerX10X (1 posts) -
I know how you feel, I have a Dell Latitude D600 and it uses windows xp which is very slow. Plus in my house the wireless connection is very slow.
#25 Posted by CleverUser (15 posts) -
With the games you say you play not for awhile. 04dcarraher
That's good so what kind of games could I run after getting the better video card? By the way thanks a lot for all the help you've been given me.
#26 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -
The GTX 650ti can play BF3 at 1920x1080 ultra settings +FXAA at 50 fps.
#27 Posted by kraken2109 (13078 posts) -
The GTX 650ti can play BF3 at 1920x1080 ultra settings +FXAA at 50 fps. 04dcarraher
source?
#28 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]The GTX 650ti can play BF3 at 1920x1080 ultra settings +FXAA at 50 fps. kraken2109
source?

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#29 Posted by kraken2109 (13078 posts) -

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]The GTX 650ti can play BF3 at 1920x1080 ultra settings +FXAA at 50 fps. 04dcarraher

source?

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Wow that card's better than I thought. Although that is single player.