can high end pcs compete with ps4 performance wise

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#1 Posted by Bosskiller500 (334 posts) -

and graphics/visual wise.... im talking late gen, highly optimized ps4 games (ps4 has the advantage of being a closed platform) vs. lets say a 2000 dollar PC rig, with titan.....yeah it might be powerful, but its not optimized like the PS4?

#2 Posted by Daious (432 posts) -

2000 dollar computer is overkill. No way a ps4 would be able to compete with that.

#3 Posted by Bosskiller500 (334 posts) -

@daious:

even though the ps4 has the advantage of optimization?

#4 Posted by lostrib (26252 posts) -

you can't be serious. Go to system wars

#5 Posted by Bosskiller500 (334 posts) -

@lostrib:

the ps4 developers, exclusives, have the advantage to fully optimize their games, unlike pc developers who have to deal with people having different hardware

#6 Posted by lostrib (26252 posts) -

@lostrib:

the ps4 developers, exclusives, have the advantage to fully optimize their games, unlike pc developers who have to deal with people having different hardware

once again, go to system wars

#7 Edited by Bosskiller500 (334 posts) -

@lostrib:

im not at that level to post at system wars

#8 Posted by ferret-gamer (17299 posts) -

@lostrib:

the ps4 developers, exclusives, have the advantage to fully optimize their games, unlike pc developers who have to deal with people having different hardware

Optimization is not magic, they can gain some performance over comparable PC hardware, but that doesn't matter much when there are already PCs 4-5x stronger than the PS4.

These consoles are also weaker comparatively than the 360/ps3 were when they released. The 360/ps3 had somewhat high end hardware at the time they released, the 360 even had a unified shader card a year before they came out on PC.

The ps4/xbone on the other hand are fairly med/lowish range. Their GPUs are based off of mid range cards that came out a year ago, and the CPUs is based off an architecture meant for low end laptops.

#9 Posted by Bosskiller500 (334 posts) -

@ferret-gamer:

is titan really that much more powerful then the ps4 gpu?

#10 Edited by ferret-gamer (17299 posts) -

@Bosskiller500 said:

@ferret-gamer:

is titan really that much more powerful then the ps4 gpu?

The PS4's chip is generally estimated to be between a 7850 and 7870 in power. The titan and r9 290x can get over double the performance of a 7870 in a good deal of titles. You also have SLI setups in PC, where you can have things like dual titans or tri 290x. So even if the PS4 did get somehow get 1.5x the performance of a 7870 through optimzation, it will still fall short of high end PC hardware.

Optimization for this generation won't be as big of a factor as last gen's either. Because the consoles are so closely built off of PC hardware the development will share a lot. For example, AMD is creating a low level API called Mantle for their GCN cards based off of the APIs in the consoles.

#11 Edited by darksusperia (6882 posts) -
#12 Edited by GameFan1983 (2096 posts) -

comparing a single PC component to console is stupid if not irreverent, building a game for a specific, fixed architecture is alot learning and improving while on PC is more about speed and navigation. answering to your question, yes, given the fact that running 60fps with comparable visual with PC on max setting is a norm for both new consoles, it's indeed a better choice for people with limited gaming budget. as for me, someone owns a pair of GTX690 and a i7-3930. I will stick to my PC for this game, unless it's a mutiplate obviously looks better on console such as n4s rival, nba 2k14 or fifa14 etc)

#13 Posted by Bosskiller500 (334 posts) -

so say someone had a 2000 dollar top of the line, titan rig, would it out perform even exclusive optimized ps4 games

#14 Posted by darksusperia (6882 posts) -

so say someone had a 2000 dollar top of the line, titan rig, would it out perform even exclusive optimized ps4 games

easily.

#15 Edited by redskins26rocs (2669 posts) -

so say someone had a 2000 dollar top of the line, titan rig, would it out perform even exclusive optimized ps4 games


no absolutely not developers will eventually tap into the PS4s hidden alien technology making it impossible for any PC to outperform it

#16 Edited by RevanBITW (505 posts) -

so say someone had a 2000 dollar top of the line, titan rig, would it out perform even exclusive optimized ps4 games

Holy Batman get a clue.

#17 Posted by lostrib (26252 posts) -

@lostrib:

im not at that level to post at system wars

there is no level requirement. Now shoo

#18 Edited by wis3boi (30272 posts) -

-8/10, waste of atoms

#19 Edited by mastershake575 (8316 posts) -

and graphics/visual wise.... im talking late gen, highly optimized ps4 games (ps4 has the advantage of being a closed platform) vs. lets say a 2000 dollar PC rig, with titan.....yeah it might be powerful, but its not optimized like the PS4?

1. Optimization is severely overrated. For example a 8600GTS video card (graphics card from 2006) was BARELY faster than the 360 GPU yet it ran games from 2005-2010 on high settings in HD with 40-60FPS while the consoles where running the same games at all medium, sub HD with 30FPS cap (the extra ram/CPU power of PC's at the time negated the fact that the 8600GTS was BARELY faster yet games run a ton better).

2. The PS4 spec wise is a joke. Its using a lowend CPU with a mid range GPU by 1.5 years ago standards. An overclocked 7870XT/7950 (both are sub $200) can achieve twice the performance of the PS4's GPU.

So to answer your question optimization is a joke that consoles use to make there product look better. It has its advantages but almost all of the time its severely overrated and your not going to make a lowend system (ps4/xboxone) into a midrange/highend system (you will get a little boost but not a ton). My $800 computer im on right now has 2-3X the CPU power, more ram, and a GPU that's 2X as fast

#20 Posted by the_bi99man (10916 posts) -

so say someone had a 2000 dollar top of the line, titan rig, would it out perform even exclusive optimized ps4 games

A 2000 dollar top of the line PC will outperform a PS4 by a laughably huge margin now, and continue to do so, without upgrades, for the entirety of the PS4's lifetime. It only takes a $600 system to compete with the new consoles, and maybe another 200-300 to outright shit on them.

Now take this nonsense back to system wars, where people who don't have a clue how anything works will try to act like there's even a debate on the topic.

#21 Posted by Geminon (1029 posts) -

@Bosskiller500 said:

and graphics/visual wise.... im talking late gen, highly optimized ps4 games (ps4 has the advantage of being a closed platform) vs. lets say a 2000 dollar PC rig, with titan.....yeah it might be powerful, but its not optimized like the PS4?

1. Optimization is severely overrated. For example a 8600GTS video card (graphics card from 2006) was BARELY faster than the 360 GPU yet it ran games from 2005-2010 on high settings in HD with 40-60FPS while the consoles where running the same games at all medium, sub HD with 30FPS cap (the extra ram/CPU power of PC's at the time negated the fact that the 8600GTS was BARELY faster yet games run a ton better).

2. The PS4 spec wise is a joke. Its using a lowend CPU with a mid range GPU by 1.5 years ago standards. An overclocked 7870XT/7950 (both are sub $200) can achieve twice the performance of the PS4's GPU.

So to answer your question optimization is a joke that consoles use to make there product look better. It has its advantages but almost all of the time its severely overrated and your not going to make a lowend system (ps4/xboxone) into a midrange/highend system (you will get a little boost but not a ton). My $800 computer im on right now has 2-3X the CPU power, more ram, and a GPU that's 2X as fast

and yet it can produce graphics for games like BF4 that pretty much match PC on Ultra @ 60FPS when a lot of top end hardware is having a rough time getting a stable framerate around that.

you guys are so biased its not even funny. consoles are a closed platform. it makes a HUGE difference when developing a game to know exactly what hardware you have to work with. if consoles are producing games like we are seeing from PS4 and XB1 with "SUUUUUCH INFERIOR HARDWARE" like you idiot noobs seem to suggest, then PC focused games should have CG movie quality graphics at this point with their hardware that is supposedly 200-300% faster/better...

BUUUUUUT they dont. because the benefits of a closed vs open platform cannot be overstated. get a ****ing clue.

#23 Edited by Nick3306 (2502 posts) -

so say someone had a 2000 dollar top of the line, titan rig, would it out perform even exclusive optimized ps4 games

Someone with a $1000 computer would easily beat a ps4.

#24 Posted by superclocked (5676 posts) -

@Nick3306: Someone with a $500 PC would easily beat a PS4 if they picked their parts carefully. A $1000 PC will destroy the PS4...

#25 Edited by redskins26rocs (2669 posts) -

@superclocked said:

@Nick3306: Someone with a $500 PC would easily beat a PS4 if they picked their parts carefully. A $1000 PC will destroy the PS4...

IMO anyone building a rig should get at least

fx 6300- $120

decent 970 (maybe 990x) mobo- $70-90

gpu would have to be at least a hd 7950 to easily beat a ps4- so around $200 if you can find anything on sale or used, if not gtx 760 for $250

8GB of RAM- $60-80

HDD 1TB- $70

That is $520 at the least (yes I know sometimes people can get great deals sometimes). If you can make a rig that can easily beat a PS4 please show me. Even if you managed to snag those kind of parts used or find some crazy deals someone would still have one tight budget on a PSU and case which IMO no one should spend less than $50 on either of those.

#26 Posted by mastershake575 (8316 posts) -

@Geminon said:

@mastershake575 said:

@Bosskiller500 said:

and graphics/visual wise.... im talking late gen, highly optimized ps4 games (ps4 has the advantage of being a closed platform) vs. lets say a 2000 dollar PC rig, with titan.....yeah it might be powerful, but its not optimized like the PS4?

1. Optimization is severely overrated. For example a 8600GTS video card (graphics card from 2006) was BARELY faster than the 360 GPU yet it ran games from 2005-2010 on high settings in HD with 40-60FPS while the consoles where running the same games at all medium, sub HD with 30FPS cap (the extra ram/CPU power of PC's at the time negated the fact that the 8600GTS was BARELY faster yet games run a ton better).

2. The PS4 spec wise is a joke. Its using a lowend CPU with a mid range GPU by 1.5 years ago standards. An overclocked 7870XT/7950 (both are sub $200) can achieve twice the performance of the PS4's GPU.

So to answer your question optimization is a joke that consoles use to make there product look better. It has its advantages but almost all of the time its severely overrated and your not going to make a lowend system (ps4/xboxone) into a midrange/highend system (you will get a little boost but not a ton). My $800 computer im on right now has 2-3X the CPU power, more ram, and a GPU that's 2X as fast

and yet it can produce graphics for games like BF4 that pretty much match PC on Ultra @ 60FPS when a lot of top end hardware is having a rough time getting a stable framerate around that.

you guys are so biased its not even funny. consoles are a closed platform. it makes a HUGE difference when developing a game to know exactly what hardware you have to work with. if consoles are producing games like we are seeing from PS4 and XB1 with "SUUUUUCH INFERIOR HARDWARE" like you idiot noobs seem to suggest, then PC focused games should have CG movie quality graphics at this point with their hardware that is supposedly 200-300% faster/better...

BUUUUUUT they dont. because the benefits of a closed vs open platform cannot be overstated. get a ****ing clue.

Is this a freaking joke ? 900P high settings with little AA/AF on a well optimized engine (DICE) isn't really something to brag about....... (I hope your trolling). Biased ? I have a 360/ps3 and I have both the xboxone/ps4 ordered (if you think im lying then check my xbox live/PSN username, its the same username as my gamespot ID).

As I have stated, closed platform helps but its severely overrated. The 8600GTS was able to play multiplatform games from 2005-2010 with better specs than the consoles and it was 1. Hardly faster than the Xenos and 2. The console where using shitty ass devs

Both next gen consoles are using PC architecture for their dev kits so optimization will be even better. The next gen CPU is really killing it performance wise than the GPU isn't that great either (anybody with a midrange rig will easily negate the optimization of the closed platform which is my point). The consoles are so weak + their using PC architecture so this whole "buh buh the optimization" won't be that big of a deal

#27 Edited by superclocked (5676 posts) -

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#28 Edited by redskins26rocs (2669 posts) -

@superclocked: That is an impressive build (that mobo is crap though), but easily beat the PS4? Even if it easily beats it now evntually devs will better optimize PS4 games making it an even smaller gap betwee this pc and ps4.

Also nice find on that Windows 8 at that price.

#29 Posted by mastershake575 (8316 posts) -

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@superclocked: That is an impressive build (that mobo is crap though), but easily beat the PS4? Even if it easily beats it now evntually devs will better optimize PS4 games making it an even smaller gap betwee this pc and ps4.

The CPU is a lot faster than the consoles and the GPU is actually really nice (it overclocks to 7970 levels without changing the volts). Its as if the 7870XT was underclocked on purpose which is strange (the card reaches 1100-1200mhz with no volts changed, even on a generic cooler which is weird). It should easily beat the ps4 (CPU's a lot faster and the GPU once overclocked is almost twice as fast).

#30 Edited by godonholiday (329 posts) -

and graphics/visual wise.... im talking late gen, highly optimized ps4 games (ps4 has the advantage of being a closed platform) vs. lets say a 2000 dollar PC rig, with titan.....yeah it might be powerful, but its not optimized like the PS4?

PC not optimised? New drivers come out every week with 10 - 20% performance increases for top games?

PS4 relies on the game developer to add optimisation.

Nvidia and I am sure AMD do the same, update the drivers to work with the game.

#31 Posted by glez13 (8350 posts) -

Basically anything that outmatches a next console right now will outmatch it by the end of it's cycle. The optimization part concerns more on the PC side with a specific "how well is this game optimized for PC?" Apart from those exceptions that aren't well optimized for PC everything else will follow logic and maintain a close to equal level for all the console cycle.

#32 Edited by DJ_Headshot (6130 posts) -
@godonholiday said:

@Bosskiller500 said:

and graphics/visual wise.... im talking late gen, highly optimized ps4 games (ps4 has the advantage of being a closed platform) vs. lets say a 2000 dollar PC rig, with titan.....yeah it might be powerful, but its not optimized like the PS4?

PC not optimised? New drivers come out every week with 10 - 20% performance increases for top games?

PS4 relies on the game developer to add optimisation.

Nvidia and I am sure AMD do the same, update the drivers to work with the game.

I can attest to that was using year and a half old amd drivers for my 7950 due to an overscan issue on the Trinitron I was using but managed to fix it through service menu. That provided a nice jump in performance in games like Sleeping dogs and Battlefield 3 larger then I was expecting and it was for free.

#33 Edited by mastershake575 (8316 posts) -

@Bosskiller500 said:

@daious:

even though the ps4 has the advantage of optimization?

You do realize that optimization for consoles in most cases is actually turning settings/resolutions DOWN ? (why in the hell is that a good thing ?).

Hell almost every advanced setting ( tesselation, AA, AF, AO, shaders, particles, physx, textures, lod distance ) on consoles is either set low or turned off all together (on top of base settings being toned down........)

#34 Posted by SKaREO (3161 posts) -

Consoles have obvious advantages in the realm of optimization and cost to power ratios. PCs are for people wealthy enough to enjoy the finer things in life. Think of it as a bourgeois society.

#35 Posted by kraken2109 (12682 posts) -

Titan is far ahead of PS4. PS4 won't ever match it.

#36 Posted by ferret-gamer (17299 posts) -

@Geminon said:

@mastershake575 said:

@Bosskiller500 said:

and graphics/visual wise.... im talking late gen, highly optimized ps4 games (ps4 has the advantage of being a closed platform) vs. lets say a 2000 dollar PC rig, with titan.....yeah it might be powerful, but its not optimized like the PS4?

1. Optimization is severely overrated. For example a 8600GTS video card (graphics card from 2006) was BARELY faster than the 360 GPU yet it ran games from 2005-2010 on high settings in HD with 40-60FPS while the consoles where running the same games at all medium, sub HD with 30FPS cap (the extra ram/CPU power of PC's at the time negated the fact that the 8600GTS was BARELY faster yet games run a ton better).

2. The PS4 spec wise is a joke. Its using a lowend CPU with a mid range GPU by 1.5 years ago standards. An overclocked 7870XT/7950 (both are sub $200) can achieve twice the performance of the PS4's GPU.

So to answer your question optimization is a joke that consoles use to make there product look better. It has its advantages but almost all of the time its severely overrated and your not going to make a lowend system (ps4/xboxone) into a midrange/highend system (you will get a little boost but not a ton). My $800 computer im on right now has 2-3X the CPU power, more ram, and a GPU that's 2X as fast

and yet it can produce graphics for games like BF4 that pretty much match PC on Ultra @ 60FPS when a lot of top end hardware is having a rough time getting a stable framerate around that.

you guys are so biased its not even funny. consoles are a closed platform. it makes a HUGE difference when developing a game to know exactly what hardware you have to work with. if consoles are producing games like we are seeing from PS4 and XB1 with "SUUUUUCH INFERIOR HARDWARE" like you idiot noobs seem to suggest, then PC focused games should have CG movie quality graphics at this point with their hardware that is supposedly 200-300% faster/better...

BUUUUUUT they dont. because the benefits of a closed vs open platform cannot be overstated. get a ****ing clue.

The ps4 runs it comparable to high settings, not ultra. It also runs it at 900p, when 1080p is the general standard for PC gaming nowadays.

Go watch some performance evaluations for the PS4's framerate, it does not keep a stable 60fps, on the larger map it sits in the 50s almost constantly and drops into the 40s quite often.

#37 Posted by MonsieurX (26946 posts) -

Third time OP's posting the same thread

#38 Edited by PredatorRules (6447 posts) -

@Bosskiller500 said:

@ferret-gamer:

is titan really that much more powerful then the ps4 gpu?

Imagine Titan x3 SLI > BAMM!! that's alone bigger hardware by size than the whole PS4. Did that answered your question?

#39 Edited by Alienware_fan (1370 posts) -

The PS4 is built to last for 6-7 years, no pc or gpus are built to last that long.

#40 Edited by superclocked (5676 posts) -

The PS4 is built to last for 6-7 years, no pc or gpus are built to last that long.

Maybe not an Alienware, but a $600 PC will outperform the PS4 throughout the entirety of next gen, especially with AMD Mantle games hitting the market soon...

#41 Posted by SKaREO (3161 posts) -

Games for the PS4 will be specifically tailored for it's hardware specs, so the comparison would be pointless.

#42 Posted by GodspellWH (294 posts) -

@Alienware_fan: there are gpu that old that still play majority of games