60" st50 question

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#1 Posted by thunderup35 (22 posts) -
I had read on avs where the 60 or 65" panasonic ST50 had more lag than the 50 or 55". Dont see how this is possible if they are the same tv. If this issue is true i will probably go with the 60" UT50. Thoughts?
#2 Posted by kraken2109 (13029 posts) -

You mean input lag?

What are you going to be using it for?

#3 Posted by thunderup35 (22 posts) -
yes input lag. i will mainly be using it for gaming and movies. The room has very little to no lighting
#4 Posted by kraken2109 (13029 posts) -
yes input lag. i will mainly be using it for gaming and movies. The room has very little to no lighting thunderup35
What kind of gaming? I doubt it will have noticeable input lag for console gaming, but it might for pc.
#5 Posted by thunderup35 (22 posts) -
yeah i will be doing xbox 360 gaming and watching blu rays. Also is there much PQ difference between the ut and st model or is mostly the black filter and anti glare
#6 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6658 posts) -

Bigger TVs tend to have higher input lag compared to small ones I believe. If you want this TV purely for gaming, you might want the 42" ST50 instead.. But for movies you'll DEFINITELY want it as big as possible for a theatrical experience.

Actually, checking HDTVTest.. the 42" ST50 and 50" ST50 have the same input lag @ 16ms compared to a lag free CRT

#7 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6658 posts) -
yeah i will be doing xbox 360 gaming and watching blu rays. Also is there much PQ difference between the ut and st model or is mostly the black filter and anti glarethunderup35
Not really. Both TVs produce the same black level measuring 0.009cd/m2 but as you said the ST50 has less reflections and around twice the brightness, making it much better for bright rooms, and also a higher contrast which might make you believe that you are seeing deeper blacks and the image will look more vivid/punchy/dynamic.
#8 Posted by thunderup35 (22 posts) -
thanks for the info, do you happen to know the input lag for the 55 inch because my best buy only carries the 55" and bigger for some reason
#9 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6658 posts) -
thanks for the info, do you happen to know the input lag for the 55 inch because my best buy only carries the 55" and bigger for some reasonthunderup35
Nope, you could try googling, but I doubt the difference is huge, if there even is one.
#10 Posted by kraken2109 (13029 posts) -

I was looking at an ST50B in PC world today, I don't know how they did it, but they managed to make the picture look bad.

#11 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6658 posts) -

I was looking at an ST50B in PC world today, I don't know how they did it, but they managed to make the picture look bad.

kraken2109
Poor calibration, not full HD source material , not using HDMI cable etc? God knows.. but how are you supposed to sell a £2000 Samsung when a £800 ST50 looks better? ;) ;)
#12 Posted by kraken2109 (13029 posts) -
[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

I was looking at an ST50B in PC world today, I don't know how they did it, but they managed to make the picture look bad.

Mozelleple112
Poor calibration, not full HD source material , not using HDMI cable etc? God knows.. but how are you supposed to sell a £2000 Samsung when a £800 ST50 looks better? ;) ;)

In that case why would they even bother stocking it?
#13 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6658 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="kraken2109"]

I was looking at an ST50B in PC world today, I don't know how they did it, but they managed to make the picture look bad.

kraken2109

Poor calibration, not full HD source material , not using HDMI cable etc? God knows.. but how are you supposed to sell a £2000 Samsung when a £800 ST50 looks better? ;) ;)

In that case why would they even bother stocking it?

Because they get more profit from selling a Samsung/LG/Sony LED than any plasma. I usually see Samsung LED showing off blu-rays/1080p footage while all the other screens show 720p footage/normal HD channel stuff.. Here in Dubai is absolutely awful.. 90% of the TVs in the stores are Sammy LEDs, and when you do see plasmas they're playing SD material..

I found ONE store that showed off the VT50 with Transformers 3 on blu-ray. Hi-fi stores don't have the same bias, and always use the best quality blu-ray players and films with good PQ AND sometimes they even calibrate the displaying, either using their expertise OR calibration software that they have for sale, so you can see what the display is truly capable of, in these stores you can clearly see the VT50/GT50/ST50 is on an entirely different level compared to LG/Samsung/Sony/Philips LED offerings... Too many rich arabs here buying 75" Samsung / 73" LG LEDs thinking they have the best display ever.. gaaah :'(

#14 Posted by Doulia (6 posts) -
after doing some googling i found some reports that the 60"ST does have a noticeable amount more input lag than the 50" =( was also looking at buying a 60 for gaming/movies.Anyone with a 60"+ have any reports on this?
#15 Posted by kraken2109 (13029 posts) -

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Poor calibration, not full HD source material , not using HDMI cable etc? God knows.. but how are you supposed to sell a £2000 Samsung when a £800 ST50 looks better? ;) ;)Mozelleple112

In that case why would they even bother stocking it?

Because they get more profit from selling a Samsung/LG/Sony LED than any plasma. I usually see Samsung LED showing off blu-rays/1080p footage while all the other screens show 720p footage/normal HD channel stuff.. Here in Dubai is absolutely awful.. 90% of the TVs in the stores are Sammy LEDs, and when you do see plasmas they're playing SD material..

I found ONE store that showed off the VT50 with Transformers 3 on blu-ray. Hi-fi stores don't have the same bias, and always use the best quality blu-ray players and films with good PQ AND sometimes they even calibrate the displaying, either using their expertise OR calibration software that they have for sale, so you can see what the display is truly capable of, in these stores you can clearly see the VT50/GT50/ST50 is on an entirely different level compared to LG/Samsung/Sony/Philips LED offerings... Too many rich arabs here buying 75" Samsung / 73" LG LEDs thinking they have the best display ever.. gaaah :'(

lol I meant why stock the ST50 at all, not why stock the overpriced LEDs :P
#16 Posted by thunderup35 (22 posts) -
i was at walmart today and they had a 60 sharp led running brave(bluray) and the picture quality was far beyond my expectations they had an lg next to it running the same movie not sure if it was an lcd or not but you could see a huge difference. Just wanted to know what you thought about the sharp led. i still will end up getting the st50 but might get a sharp for the bedroom
#17 Posted by APiranhaAteMyVa (2877 posts) -
i was at walmart today and they had a 60 sharp led running brave(bluray) and the picture quality was far beyond my expectations they had an lg next to it running the same movie not sure if it was an lcd or not but you could see a huge difference. Just wanted to know what you thought about the sharp led. i still will end up getting the st50 but might get a sharp for the bedroomthunderup35
What model was it?
#18 Posted by thunderup35 (22 posts) -
im not real sure my guess is its this one, its off there website Sharp 60" Class LED 1080p 120Hz HDTV,(2.92" ultra-slim) LC60LE640U http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sharp-60-Class-LED-1080p-120Hz-HDTV-2.92-ultra-slim-LC60LE640U/20452168