1st hawaii and pitcairn shots leaked. come view your new babies, also benchies

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#1 Posted by ionusX (25715 posts) -

time to gather around the glass folks like parents seeing their newborn in the incubation cribs.

here is the completely reworked 7850 err i mean r2-270

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the cooler is completely reworked, the pcb shrung, the memory controller has been swapped out for a better one and the powersupply requirements have been dramatically reduced thats to some alterations in some other areas making it more power efficient.

http://wccftech.com/amd-curacao-pro-volcanic-islands-graphics-card-pictured-totally-cooler-design/

and here is the big guy the r-290X in a generic testbed cooler that i suspect is only a temporary fixing.

http://wccftech.com/rumor-amd-hawaii-gpu-r9-290x-volcanic-islands-pcb-leaked-512bit-interface-massive-die-size/

the gpu requires one 6 and one 8-pin connector as we can see

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also we have someone who supposedly has benchmarked the r2-290X and ehre is what i can summaries: the titan still holds sway when you turn the AA off. but when on AMD is superior to titan.

http://wccftech.com/amd-hawaii-r9290x-gpu-volcanic-islands-benchmark-results-exposed-fastest-gpu-planet-1020-mhz-clock-speed/

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#2 Posted by LordEC911 (9972 posts) -

It is a Pitcairn replacement, Curacao, not Pitcairn itself. Doubt they will reuse 7950 since Curacao XT should be able to perform close to a 7950.

#3 Posted by m3Boarder32 (9176 posts) -
Ill only care if it's as quiet as my GTX 670
#4 Posted by ionusX (25715 posts) -

Ill only care if it's as quiet as my GTX 670m3Boarder32
im certain their will eventually be a design for this. they have completely reworked their cooling and powercolors and other makers of cards have really been pushing for new fan designs out of the gate. 

#5 Posted by Horgen (110057 posts) -
Wonder how good the bandwidth will be on it...
#6 Posted by ionusX (25715 posts) -

Wonder how good the bandwidth will be on it... horgen123
mem bandwidth is 512mb

#7 Posted by LordEC911 (9972 posts) -

[QUOTE="horgen123"]Wonder how good the bandwidth will be on it... ionusX

mem bandwidth is 512mb

The interface is 512b, the bandwidth will depend on final clocks.
The ES supposedly was running the GDDR5 @ ~4.5ghz but I expect retail to be somewhere within 4.8-5.5ghz, so +300GB/s.

#8 Posted by Horgen (110057 posts) -

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="horgen123"]Wonder how good the bandwidth will be on it... LordEC911

mem bandwidth is 512mb

The interface is 512b, the bandwidth will depend on final clocks.
The ES supposedly was running the GDDR5 @ ~4.5ghz but I expect retail to be somewhere within 4.8-5.5ghz, so +300GB/s.

Thats a decent improvement if I choose to upgrade from my current gtx 680. Edit: Not so much from the 7970 and 780/Titan...
#9 Posted by mastershake575 (8353 posts) -

Wonder how the r 260/270 are going to compete with a $200 7950boost (thats going to be interesting since the 7000 series has dropped a ton in price).

The 290X looks good but I have a feeling due to the fact that where late into the 28nm cycle/games are still months away from utilizing next gen engines, most people will just wait for 20nm

#10 Posted by DevilMightCry (3478 posts) -

It was months ago when I posted a plausible rumor specs and said the "8970" will be cheaper than a 780 and faster than Titan. Looks like I am on track to be correct.

#11 Posted by Horgen (110057 posts) -
I was correct months ago when I posted a plausible rumor specs and said the "8970" will be cheaper than a 780 and faster than Titan. Looks like I am on track to be correct. DevilMightCry
I do believe a lot of people said so... At least more than just you...
#12 Posted by DevilMightCry (3478 posts) -
[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]I was correct months ago when I posted a plausible rumor specs and said the "8970" will be cheaper than a 780 and faster than Titan. Looks like I am on track to be correct. horgen123
I do believe a lot of people said so... At least more than just you...

You should have seen all the opposition to such rumors from NVIDIA fanboys. Especially Titan owners. I go for what's best for my wallet and performance at the same time.
#13 Posted by mastershake575 (8353 posts) -

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] I do believe a lot of people said so... At least more than just you... horgen123
You should have seen all the opposition to such rumors from NVIDIA fanboys. Especially Titan owners. I go for what's best for my wallet and performance at the same time.

Majority of the NVidia fanboys on this forum argued points that there probably still correct on (to be fair)

They argued that 1. It wasn't going to be 20nm, 2. The high end volcanic island wasn't going to blow the titan out of the water which was the intial rumor (blow out of the water, NOT beat/equal) and 3. It was going to be able to compete Maxwell

To be honest most of them where right. Its not 20nm, I doubt its going to blow the Titan out of the water (it will equal/beat it but I doubt it will blow it out of the water which was claimed) and theres no way its going to compete with Maxwell given the rumored specs (theres either going to be a 20nm VI series or Pirate islands will come out later next year). There may be one or two users on this board that argued other points that they where wrong on (due to butthurt or fanboyism) but majority of users who argued the VI series where spot on

I'm an AMD card user and I even I admit that the nvidia fanboys weren't as bad as your making it seem.

Alot of people (including nvidia card users) agreed that the highend VI could potentially beat a Titan at a cheaper price (hell a decently overclocked 7970ghz isn't that far off from a 780/titan, let alone a card 1.5 years newer with more cores and better architecture......).

#14 Posted by blaznwiipspman1 (6028 posts) -

[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] I do believe a lot of people said so... At least more than just you... mastershake575

You should have seen all the opposition to such rumors from NVIDIA fanboys. Especially Titan owners. I go for what's best for my wallet and performance at the same time.

Majority of the NVidia fanboys on this forum argued points that there probably still correct on (to be fair)

They argued that 1. It wasn't going to be 20nm, 2. The high end volcanic island wasn't going to blow the titan out of the water which was the intial rumor (blow out of the water, NOT beat/equal) and 3. It was going to be able to compete Maxwell

To be honest most of them where right. Its not 20nm, I doubt its going to blow the Titan out of the water (it will equal/beat it but I doubt it will blow it out of the water which was claimed) and theres no way its going to compete with Maxwell given the rumored specs (theres either going to be a 20nm VI series or Pirate islands will come out later next year). There may be one or two users on this board that argued other points that they where wrong on (due to butthurt or fanboyism) but majority of users who argued the VI series where spot on

I'm an AMD card user and I even I admit that the nvidia fanboys weren't as bad as your making it seem.

Alot of people (including nvidia card users) agreed that the highend VI could potentially beat a Titan at a cheaper price (hell a decently overclocked 7970ghz isn't that far off from a 780/titan, let alone a card 1.5 years newer with more cores and better architecture......).

 

actually, not one nvidia fanboy said it would be possible for it to beat the titan and cost much less at the same time.  Either way, i also predicted that the high end card will be close to half the price of the titan and will demolish it performance wise at the same time.  Im still sticking to that claim.  The titans specs aren't that impressive for the price, its like nvidia is just milking their early adopters as much as possible.  AMD are the ones pushing the hardware nowadays, more horsepower per square inch of silicone.

#15 Posted by mastershake575 (8353 posts) -

actually, not one nvidia fanboy said it would be possible for it to beat the titan and cost much less at the same time.

blaznwiipspman1

I guess it depends on what your definition of fanboy is. Up untill august most people thought it was going to be 20nm (which even nvidia owners would tell you would mean it would beat the Titan easily). By the time it was confimed to be 28nm, there where alot of rumored specs showing that it could match/beat the Titan so there wasn't really a large time gap for crazy predictions (there might of been a couple butthurt fanboys but most people, even nvidia card owners believed the highend VI would be a contender for the 780/titan).

#16 Posted by Postmortem123 (7646 posts) -

Looking forward to getting one.

#17 Posted by wis3boi (31118 posts) -

If true, looks good.  I'm still happy with my recent purchase of a 7970 ghz though.  When I actually do need an upgrade in horsepower (I got the 7970 for memory purposes more than anything), whatever AMD/nvidia come out after this new set will surely be a beast

#18 Posted by Horgen (110057 posts) -
The picture doesn't say 3DMark, it says 3DMare... :P
#19 Posted by MlauTheDaft (3399 posts) -

I'm still happy with having purchased this little fellow :)

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The 4 GB version comes with a backplate, by the way!

#20 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

What do you guys think will be the price of the fastest single GPU card in the Hawaii lineup? The most I'm willing to spend is $400 (before taxes), and if it's not significantly faster than the HD 7970, I'll just get that for $300 (before taxes).

#21 Posted by mastershake575 (8353 posts) -

What do you guys think will be the price of the fastest single GPU card in the Hawaii lineup? The most I'm willing to spend is $400 (before taxes), and if it's not significantly faster than the HD 7970, I'll just get that for $300 (before taxes).

BluRayHiDef
Most rumors are pointing at $550-600. If you can only afford the 7970 then that's still an amazing choice (some of the models have been on sale recently for $270/280 after rebate and its a very fast card). Not only that but it overclocks pretty well too if your into that
#22 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

What do you guys think will be the price of the fastest single GPU card in the Hawaii lineup? The most I'm willing to spend is $400 (before taxes), and if it's not significantly faster than the HD 7970, I'll just get that for $300 (before taxes).

mastershake575

Most rumors are pointing at $550-600. If you can only afford the 7970 then that's still an amazing choice (some of the models have been on sale recently for $270/280 after rebate and its a very fast card). Not only that but it overclocks pretty well too if your into that

Damn, that's disappointing. Will the second fastest single GPU card in the Hawaii lineup be faster than the HD 7970? If not, which card will and how much do you think it'll cost? Also, do you think the price of the cards in the 7000 series will drop when the Hawaii lineup is released? 

#23 Posted by Ribnarak (2294 posts) -
so wait? whats getting shown tomorrow? just one graphics card? or is it a series of new ones. i could careless for something thats over 400. never spending so much for one thats 600. its pointless
#24 Posted by 04dcarraher (19265 posts) -

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

What do you guys think will be the price of the fastest single GPU card in the Hawaii lineup? The most I'm willing to spend is $400 (before taxes), and if it's not significantly faster than the HD 7970, I'll just get that for $300 (before taxes).

BluRayHiDef

Most rumors are pointing at $550-600. If you can only afford the 7970 then that's still an amazing choice (some of the models have been on sale recently for $270/280 after rebate and its a very fast card). Not only that but it overclocks pretty well too if your into that

Damn, that's disappointing. Will the second fastest single GPU card in the Hawaii lineup be faster than the HD 7970? If not, which card will and how much do you think it'll cost? Also, do you think the price of the cards in the 7000 series will drop when the Hawaii lineup is released? 

From what Ive read the new card is 20-30% faster then the 7970ghz which puts in the GTX 780/titan area. Your $500+ you be better off with 7950/7970 then adding another shortly later.
#25 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="mastershake575"] Most rumors are pointing at $550-600. If you can only afford the 7970 then that's still an amazing choice (some of the models have been on sale recently for $270/280 after rebate and its a very fast card). Not only that but it overclocks pretty well too if your into that 04dcarraher

Damn, that's disappointing. Will the second fastest single GPU card in the Hawaii lineup be faster than the HD 7970? If not, which card will and how much do you think it'll cost? Also, do you think the price of the cards in the 7000 series will drop when the Hawaii lineup is released? 

From what Ive read the new card is 20-30% faster then the 7970ghz which puts in the GTX 780/titan area. Your $500+ you be better off with 7950/7970 then adding another shortly later.

Yea, I'm leaning toward a 7970 at this point. Is the GHz addition worth the extra cash? Also, will my rig bottleneck an HD 7970?

#26 Posted by blaznwiipspman1 (6028 posts) -

its going to be a monster of a card, and will likely be $650-$700.  No way you're going to get a flag ship card day 1 for $300 lol....maybe you will hit that price an year from now.  No need to buy a ghz edition unless its close to the regular version in price, but you should just wait anyway for the new series to release.

#27 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

its going to be a monster of a card, and will likely be $650-$700.  No way you're going to get a flag ship card day 1 for $300 lol....maybe you will hit that price an year from now.  No need to buy a ghz edition unless its close to the regular version in price, but you should just wait anyway for the new series to release.

blaznwiipspman1

I'll wait until tomorrow, when Hawaii is released, then I'll make my decision.

#28 Posted by 04dcarraher (19265 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Damn, that's disappointing. Will the second fastest single GPU card in the Hawaii lineup be faster than the HD 7970? If not, which card will and how much do you think it'll cost? Also, do you think the price of the cards in the 7000 series will drop when the Hawaii lineup is released? 

BluRayHiDef

From what Ive read the new card is 20-30% faster then the 7970ghz which puts in the GTX 780/titan area. Your $500+ you be better off with 7950/7970 then adding another shortly later.

Yea, I'm leaning toward a 7970 at this point. Is the GHz addition worth the extra cash? Also, will my rig bottleneck an HD 7970?

Nor system will handle 7970 just fine.
#29 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] From what Ive read the new card is 20-30% faster then the 7970ghz which puts in the GTX 780/titan area. Your $500+ you be better off with 7950/7970 then adding another shortly later. 04dcarraher

Yea, I'm leaning toward a 7970 at this point. Is the GHz addition worth the extra cash? Also, will my rig bottleneck an HD 7970?

Nor system while handle 7970 just fine.

I'm dying to order it right now; I want the XFX 7970 (standard edition). However, I'll wait to see if there's a card in the Hawaii lineup that's faster but costs no more than $400.00.

#30 Posted by 04dcarraher (19265 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"] Yea, I'm leaning toward a 7970 at this point. Is the GHz addition worth the extra cash? Also, will my rig bottleneck an HD 7970?

BluRayHiDef

Nor system while handle 7970 just fine.

I'm dying to order it right now; I want the XFX 7970 (standard edition). However, I'll wait to see if there's a card in the Hawaii lineup that's faster but costs no more than $400.00.

I would stay away from XFX gpu's their quality has went down quite abit over the years.
#31 Posted by mastershake575 (8353 posts) -

I want the XFX 7970 (standard edition).

BluRayHiDef

If you live in the US then I would avoid the XFX standard edition. The Asus 7970, gigabyte 7970 (windforce), and sapphire 7970 boost (dual X) are all under $300 with rebate so get one of those (theres no way the XFX is signficantly cheaper than those models)

#32 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Nor system while handle 7970 just fine.04dcarraher

I'm dying to order it right now; I want the XFX 7970 (standard edition). However, I'll wait to see if there's a card in the Hawaii lineup that's faster but costs no more than $400.00.

I would stay away from XFX gpu's their quality has went down quite abit over the years.

I thought XFX was the best? Especially since they have lifetime warranties. What happened?

#33 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -
#34 Posted by HelpWithPC (40 posts) -
#35 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

try this 

HelpWithPC

What:s wrong with the one I chose? I want it because XFX has a lifetime warranty, their rendition of the card is more aesthetic, and I currently have an XFX card.

#36 Posted by Postmortem123 (7646 posts) -

I thought XFX was the best? Especially since they have lifetime warranties. What happened?BluRayHiDef
XFX is one of the worst. And they definitely don't have lifetime warranties. Not in Europe at least.

They also have notoriously bad customer support.

#37 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]I thought XFX was the best? Especially since they have lifetime warranties. What happened?Postmortem123

XFX is one of the worst. And they definitely don't have lifetime warranties. Not in Europe at least.

They also have notoriously bad customer support.

My HD 5870 is from XFX and has a lifetime warranty. I got it in 2010 and have had no problems with it.

#38 Posted by Postmortem123 (7646 posts) -

My 5870 died a year after I bought it and they wouldn't replace it. *shrug*

Though I wouldn't get the XFX due to the cooler, anyway. It's much worse than some of the other coolers.

"Though as of Jan. 30 2012, XFX will be dropping this lifetime warranty and replacing it with a 2-year limited warranty"

#39 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

My 5870 died a year after I bought it and they wouldn't replace it. *shrug*

Though I wouldn't get the XFX due to the cooler, anyway. It's much worse than some of the other coolers.

"Though as of Jan. 30 2012, XFX will be dropping this lifetime warranty and replacing it with a 2-year limited warranty"

Postmortem123

Damn, I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I'll get another brand, as you and others are suggesting.

#40 Posted by Postmortem123 (7646 posts) -

Yep, a few companies used to offer lifetime warranty, but they all stopped :(

Sapphire, Gigabyte, MSI and ASUS are all solid.  

#41 Posted by 6_Dead_360s (1663 posts) -

Yeah XFX is awful. I signed my 5970 up for their lifetime warranty only to find out last year that their system had been wiped and all old warranties were gone. I didn't know they have since reduced the warranties to only 2 years. There's also an annyoing problem with the xfx brand 5970 that causes the fan to go up to 100% everytime I start my pc up. Nothing fixes it.

#42 Posted by 04dcarraher (19265 posts) -

Yeah XFX is awful. I signed my 5970 up for their lifetime warranty only to find out last year that their system had been wiped and all old warranties were gone. I didn't know they have since reduced the warranties to only 2 years. There's also an annyoing problem with the xfx brand 5970 that causes the fan to go up to 100% everytime I start my pc up. Nothing fixes it.

6_Dead_360s
Get an aftermarket cooler for it that will fix it
#43 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"] Yea, I'm leaning toward a 7970 at this point. Is the GHz addition worth the extra cash? Also, will my rig bottleneck an HD 7970?

BluRayHiDef

Nor system while handle 7970 just fine.

I'm dying to order it right now; I want the XFX 7970 (standard edition). However, I'll wait to see if there's a card in the Hawaii lineup that's faster but costs no more than $400.00.

The Gigabyte 7970 is overclocked to 1GHz and has a huge cooler. Plus, it's only $280 right now...
#44 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10838 posts) -

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Nor system while handle 7970 just fine.superclocked

I'm dying to order it right now; I want the XFX 7970 (standard edition). However, I'll wait to see if there's a card in the Hawaii lineup that's faster but costs no more than $400.00.

The Gigabyte 7970 is overclocked to 1GHz and has a huge cooler. Plus, it's only $180 right now...

I think you mean $280. Anyhow, is its PCB exposed/ is there a backplate?

#45 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"] I'm dying to order it right now; I want the XFX 7970 (standard edition). However, I'll wait to see if there's a card in the Hawaii lineup that's faster but costs no more than $400.00.

BluRayHiDef

The Gigabyte 7970 is overclocked to 1GHz and has a huge cooler. Plus, it's only $180 right now...

I think you mean $280. Anyhow, is its PCB exposed/ is there a backplate?

lol, yeah.. $280. Sorry for the typo. As for a backplate, I'm not sure if they make on or not. I know that Gigabyte is known to use custom PCB's, so probably not. I don't use them anyway, though. I prefer to let the card breathe. The back of the PCB can put off quite a bit of heat...
#46 Posted by 6_Dead_360s (1663 posts) -

[QUOTE="6_Dead_360s"]

Yeah XFX is awful. I signed my 5970 up for their lifetime warranty only to find out last year that their system had been wiped and all old warranties were gone. I didn't know they have since reduced the warranties to only 2 years. There's also an annyoing problem with the xfx brand 5970 that causes the fan to go up to 100% everytime I start my pc up. Nothing fixes it.

04dcarraher

Get an aftermarket cooler for it that will fix it

It's a four year old card and the only aftermarket air cooler was disconitued long ago because it bent the PCB.

#47 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="6_Dead_360s"]

Yeah XFX is awful. I signed my 5970 up for their lifetime warranty only to find out last year that their system had been wiped and all old warranties were gone. I didn't know they have since reduced the warranties to only 2 years. There's also an annyoing problem with the xfx brand 5970 that causes the fan to go up to 100% everytime I start my pc up. Nothing fixes it.

6_Dead_360s

Get an aftermarket cooler for it that will fix it

It's a four year old card and the only aftermarket air cooler was disconitued long ago because it bent the PCB.

You can always remove the plastic cover and install a couple of nice 92mm fans on the heatsink. I've done that before, and it works quite well...
#48 Posted by DevilMightCry (3478 posts) -
This thread is now about the 7970XFX.
#49 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -
This thread is now about the 7970XFX.DevilMightCry
The last time that I bought an XFX card, the capacitors busted open after about 2 years. I'm guessing that they took a huge hit from the double lifetime warranty, and quality suffered as a result. But, that being said, I haven't bought an XFX card in several years, so hopefully the quality is back up to par...
#50 Posted by blaznwiipspman1 (6028 posts) -

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]This thread is now about the 7970XFX.superclocked
The last time that I bought an XFX card, the capacitors busted open after about 2 years. I'm guessing that they took a huge hit from the double lifetime warranty, and quality suffered as a result. But, that being said, I haven't bought an XFX card in several years, so hopefully the quality is back up to par...

yeah XFX offered some incredibly stupid warranties...I mean its practically suicide to offer something like that. You will get people who will purposely break a piece of an old video card and send it in. XFX will send back a newer video card and you can keep repeating the cycle again and again.