Would you vote for an atheist? (Now with POLL)

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#101 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

Engrish_Major

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

Are you serious? Why do you think the Christians wrote the New Testament? The original was not good enough for them. Do you actually believe everything that is written in the bible?

Yes, but some of it is meant symbolicly...

#102 Posted by Engrish_Major (17368 posts) -
[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

battlefront23

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

In fact, I have always been curious. We are not supposed to worship anyone other than god. But then Jesus came around, then all of a sudden it was okay.

#103 Posted by Hewkii (26339 posts) -
so long as I don't feel they'll do something extemely stupid, I don't see why not. same goes for any race, sex, or creed.
#104 Posted by Engrish_Major (17368 posts) -
[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

battlefront23

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

#105 Posted by greenprince (3332 posts) -
[QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I can't answer that.....since coming to OT I've gotten an unfavorable opinion of atheists. While I know not all individuals in a group are similiar...it gives me pause now.Bourbons3
Same thing happened to me, except for Brits.

Wait...what? I can't work out if you just said something positive or negative about me :?

His just saying that most of the British individuals he met were unkind to him.

Oh noes :(

In my opinion, you guys are cool, well except for the fact if I ask directions to a certain place in Britain most of you guys I asked take it as a personal insult.
#106 Posted by mig_killer2 (4906 posts) -
If he stood for what I did (lower taxes, smaller government, little or no welfare for able-bodied humans over 18) then sure why not?
#107 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

Engrish_Major

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

#108 Posted by greenprince (3332 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

Engrish_Major

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

Thats not contradiction simply because Psalms I assume you're talking about came after Genesis.
#109 Posted by Engrish_Major (17368 posts) -
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

battlefront23

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

And decides to kill millions each year, apparently.

#110 Posted by turgore (7859 posts) -
Yeah if the candidate seems a good choice I would.
#111 Posted by rockguy92 (21559 posts) -
Yes. Why not?
#112 Posted by ALTER_duo (2206 posts) -

If the US Presidential candidate for the party you would normally vote for were an atheist, would you still vote for them? I ask this, as I recently found a report that found 52% of Americans wouldn't vote for a well-qualified atheist.Bourbons3

I'm sorry if someone has already asked this but I'd like to know without reading through a huge load of posts. As for my opinion of course I would who cares if he's atheist, agnostic, islamic, etc. it doesn't matter realgion has no place in politics

#113 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

Engrish_Major

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

And decides to kill millions each year, apparently.

All men deserve death for their sins.

Roman 3:23

#114 Posted by import_fighter1 (1218 posts) -
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

battlefront23

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

Your mom and dad gave you life.. how about you give them credit instead of something you've never seen or truly know anything about at all..

#115 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

import_fighter1

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

Your mom and dad gave you life.. how about you give them credit instead of something you've never seen or truly know anything about at all..

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything.

#116 Posted by Engrish_Major (17368 posts) -
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

battlefront23

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

And decides to kill millions each year, apparently.

All men deserve death for their sins.

Roman 3:23

So babies who die or children who get Lukemia deserve death? BS.

#117 Posted by greenprince (3332 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

import_fighter1

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

Your mom and dad gave you life.. how about you give them credit instead of something you've never seen or truly know anything about at all..

Or maybe he can give credit to his parents and God. After all we all have a different vison of how we see are lives as.
#118 Posted by Engrish_Major (17368 posts) -
Anyway, I think we are straying from the original intent of this thread. If we want to start one debating the existence of god, then maybe we should.
#119 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

Engrish_Major

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

And decides to kill millions each year, apparently.

All men deserve death for their sins.

Roman 3:23

So babies who die or children who get Lukemia deserve death? BS.

But I belive that if babies die, they go to heaven. They don't know the difference between right and wrong.

#120 Posted by kalloo (159 posts) -
[QUOTE="redban2"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

hair001

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of his religion.

Actualy his cause can be jusified as he is fightng to spread his religion. In the Quarn (correct me if thats the wrong spelling) that's okay

no its not in islam ur not supposed to use violence to spread religion u only use violence to defend urself
#121 Posted by greenprince (3332 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

Engrish_Major

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

And decides to kill millions each year, apparently.

All men deserve death for their sins.

Roman 3:23

So babies who die or children who get Lukemia deserve death? BS.

Of course not! However, have you ever encountered something in your life that was fair? After all, some are born rich never going to work a day in their lives and others are born in poverty. The world is not perfect as stated in the Bible but if you still look at it at a secular view, you should be blaming the wealthy for not giving money that they obviously do not need and giving it to the poor. However that is not the case.
#122 Posted by import_fighter1 (1218 posts) -
[QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

battlefront23

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

Your mom and dad gave you life.. how about you give them credit instead of something you've never seen or truly know anything about at all..

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything.

Why does there have to be something for you to worship? Are we really still stuck in ancient times? I guess many still are but as time goes on, people are waking up.. I'll give it another 25-30 years before religion fails

#123 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="redban2"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

kalloo

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of his religion.

Actualy his cause can be jusified as he is fightng to spread his religion. In the Quarn (correct me if thats the wrong spelling) that's okay

no its not in islam ur not supposed to use violence to spread religion u only use violence to defend urself

Then what about Al-Queda? They don't spread their religion, they kill innocence!

#124 Posted by mig_killer2 (4906 posts) -
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

battlefront23

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

And decides to kill millions each year, apparently.

All men deserve death for their sins.

Roman 3:23

So babies who die or children who get Lukemia deserve death? BS.

But I belive that if babies die, they go to heaven. They don't know the difference between right and wrong.

that is what you believe. its not necessarily truth
#125 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

import_fighter1

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

Your mom and dad gave you life.. how about you give them credit instead of something you've never seen or truly know anything about at all..

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything.

Why does there have to be something for you to worship? Are we really still stuck in ancient times? I guess many still are but as time goes on, people are waking up.. I'll give it another 25-30 years before religion fails

So I have something to live for...

#126 Posted by greenprince (3332 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

import_fighter1

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

PSA 145:9 "The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."

Then he killed them all except for Noah and his wife.

The Lord is good to all: he gives them life!

Your mom and dad gave you life.. how about you give them credit instead of something you've never seen or truly know anything about at all..

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything.

Why does there have to be something for you to worship? Are we really still stuck in ancient times? I guess many still are but as time goes on, people are waking up.. I'll give it another 25-30 years before religion fails

Why does he need to answer to you? he can believe in what wants to believe because in a scientific stance we cannot disprove God nor can we prove he exists if you are looking at it in scientific view then he can still believe in Religion. Seriously, you're not dangerous nor are you ignorant if you believe in a God.
#127 Posted by Darth_Tyrev (7072 posts) -
An atheist is the only person I'd vote for.
#128 Posted by mig_killer2 (4906 posts) -
An atheist is the only person I'd vote for.Darth_Tyrev
why?
#129 Posted by EboyLOL (5358 posts) -

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. battlefront23

It's what I do :D

#130 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. EboyLOL

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

#131 Posted by mig_killer2 (4906 posts) -
[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. battlefront23

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

hey, battlefront, how old do you think the earth is?
#132 Posted by Blood-Scribe (6465 posts) -
Yes. I don't care about the candidate's race, religion, sexual orientation, or anything that pertains to their personal life. I just want them to be qualified for the job.
#133 Posted by kalloo (159 posts) -
[QUOTE="kalloo"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="redban2"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

battlefront23

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of his religion.

Actualy his cause can be jusified as he is fightng to spread his religion. In the Quarn (correct me if thats the wrong spelling) that's okay

no its not in islam ur not supposed to use violence to spread religion u only use violence to defend urself

Then what about Al-Queda? They don't spread their religion, they kill innocence!

yea and theyll get punished for tht both here and in the hereafter
#134 Posted by EboyLOL (5358 posts) -
[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. battlefront23

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

Did you understand what I said? I don't worship anything. It's going great. I would reccomend it to everybody.
#135 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. mig_killer2

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

hey, battlefront, how old do you think the earth is?

10,000 years. Why?

#136 Posted by mig_killer2 (4906 posts) -
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. battlefront23

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

hey, battlefront, how old do you think the earth is?

10,000 years. Why?

then let me redirect you to my website

http://www1.freewebs.com/mig_killer2/earthisntyoung.htm

#137 Posted by JML897 (33120 posts) -
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. battlefront23

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

hey, battlefront, how old do you think the earth is?

10,000 years. Why?

And your credibility has been lost.

#138 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. EboyLOL

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

Did you understand what I said? I don't worship anything. It's going great. I would reccomend it to everybody.

then what do you live for?

#139 Posted by Darth_Tyrev (7072 posts) -
There have been athiest presidents, I'm sure. All politicians say they're religious because if they do, athiest usually don't care, but there's a lot more religious people who would not vote for an athiest. They just want more votes.
#140 Posted by EboyLOL (5358 posts) -
[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. battlefront23

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

Did you understand what I said? I don't worship anything. It's going great. I would reccomend it to everybody.

then what do you live for?

The pursuit of happiness. Buddist culture rules.
#141 Posted by mimic-Denmark (4376 posts) -
Fantasy aka religion needs to stay out of politics.
#142 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
migkiller, not everything in the Bible can be proven scientifically i.e. The Flood, Jesus' birth, God himself, Jesus' mircales, etc. Can EVERYTHING that evolution says be proven scientifically?
#143 Posted by kalloo (159 posts) -
Fantasy aka religion needs to stay out of politics.mimic-Denmark
u need ta chill out wit tht whole hatin on religion just cuz ppl believe in a god doesnt make them stupid n doesnt make u superior to them in neway
#144 Posted by CrimzonTide (12187 posts) -
I wouldn't vote for them just because of them being Atheist, but I would still vote for them.
#145 Posted by mig_killer2 (4906 posts) -
migkiller, not everything in the Bible can be proven scientifically i.e. The Flood, Jesus' birth, God himself, Jesus' mircales, etc. Can EVERYTHING that evolution says be proven scientifically?battlefront23
did you even go to my website?
#146 Posted by battlefront23 (12347 posts) -
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well who created their ancestors. And then their ancestor's ancestors? So in a sense, I should worship nothing because supposedly nothing started everything. EboyLOL

It's what I do :D

then you do have faith in something: nothing!

Did you understand what I said? I don't worship anything. It's going great. I would reccomend it to everybody.

then what do you live for?

The pursuit of happiness. Buddist culture rules.

then why do you call yourself an atheist?

#147 Posted by Wolfmiser (126 posts) -
i would never vote for an athiest. athiests don't believe in goD!!
#149 Posted by Blood-Scribe (6465 posts) -

Fantasy aka religion needs to stay out of politics.mimic-Denmark

I wouldn't go so far as to say all religion is a mere fantasy conjured up by the minds of men, however I do agree that it should be completely separate from politics given its dogmatic nature.

#150 Posted by CommanderShiro (21746 posts) -
If the US Presidential candidate for the party you would normally vote for were an atheist, would you still vote for them? I ask this, as I recently found a report that found 52% of Americans wouldn't vote for a well-qualified atheist.Bourbons3
Thats because the majority of people that actually do vote are conservative Christians. As for me, yes I would vote for a well qualified atheist. The religion of a canidate never concerned me, seeing as how I'm not Christian anyways.