Would you vote for an atheist? (Now with POLL)

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#1 Bourbons3
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If the US Presidential candidate for the party you would normally vote for were an atheist, would you still vote for them? I ask this because I recently found a report that found 52% of Americans wouldn't vote for a well-qualified atheist.
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sure
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Is there some valid reason why I shouldn't?
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Of course. God has no place in politics.

I should say: God should have no place in politics. Reality, unfortunately, follows different rules than ideal.

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#5 Junior_AIN
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For me, that would be a big plus for the candidate....
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#6 deshields538
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If he can get the NHS back in the black then of course. I don't really care what a politician's beliefs are as long as they don't feature too heavily in his policies.

EDIT: I didn't realise this was for US president but my original statement still stands. :)

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Of course. God has no place in politics.

I should say: God should have no place in politics. Reality, unfortunately, follows different rules than ideal.

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I agree.

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Naturally; I wouldn't vote for an atheist for pope, but outside of that, I can't see where it would be relevant.
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#9 Engrish_Major
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For me, that would be a big plus for the candidate....Junior_AIN

HaHa!! Me too. I would not be surprised to find out that religion has cost more lives than any other single unnatural cause in history. We are on course to continue the crusades, and I would like to derail this train that we're on.

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#10 dragon7x2k
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Its more important how well he promises he will lead a country than if he belives in Buda, Mahoma, God, The Colonel, the religion its far away from the policy (except for the vatican and the cow protection rules in India)
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#11 Lord_Daemon
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That fact would actually make me feel more confident in his abilities.
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#12 stepnkev
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I always vote for whom I feel is the best person to lead this country. So the answer is: Yes.

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#13 hooperfax006
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I would.
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Yeah, why not?
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#15 Oleg_Huzwog
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What sort of atheist are we talking about here? Is it the kind who personally doesn't believe in a higher power and leaves it at that? Or is it the kind who go out of their way to mock those who do?
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#16 muff07
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in the UK any priminister must not let god etc get involved in political polocies and he isnt aloud to actually be part of a church or be a registered member of any religion. its a system that works i personally would not vote for a dumba**(bush) or a christian because there believe have effect on there polocies.
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#17 kornholio360
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Yes, I wouldn't mind voting for them at all.
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#18 guitboxdude25
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as i said in the other topic,no i wouldnt.in my encounters with athiest,most of them tend to be angry,negative,hopeless and waaaaaay to liberal.i know not all athiest are like that though.

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#19 85070537783
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You should know better, you voted for a believer and...
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#20 hair001
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] I ask this, as I recently found a report that found 52% of Americans wouldn't vote for a well-qualified atheist.

IF that is true then America is really lossing it right now
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#21 L_burna
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religion should, imo, not be a point by which to select a presidential candidate, UNLESS said religion might be interfering with his/her judgment or is sectaric in nature

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#22 PWN-Schubie
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i would definatley vote for an athiest, i see it as a plus, god should have no dication over politics.
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#23 Mr_Manikin52
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No, but I would vote for a good Christian like Mike Huckabee.
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#24 hair001
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No, but I would vote for a good Christian like Mike Huckabee.Mr_Manikin52
Why wouldn't you vote for an athiest?
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#25 redban2
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I wouldn't even think about voting for an athiest.

Having no belief in God is a sign of deep confusion in my eyes. I'm not going to go into the reasoning for why that is, as that has to do with my personal beliefs.

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated. Religion does play a big part in a person's character. Which is why I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

Another reason for not voting for an athiest is the the guilt feeling I'd get from doing so. I'd feel like I did the wrong thing in supporting someone like that.

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#26 greenprince
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Depends, what are his/her goals for the country? If I agree with it then I'll vote for him/her, If I do not, then I'm not supporting him/her. To be honest I don't care if the person I'm voting for is an Gay Black Atheist aslong as he/she represents me and that I agree with is ideals for the country.
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People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

redban2

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

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Yes... separation of church and state, or at least that's the way it's suppose to be.
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#29 redban2
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[QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

guitboxdude25

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of their religion.

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

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#30 hair001
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I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

redban2
Do you really want religion politicised? Politics will change religion too
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#31 X360PS3AMD05
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Yes, but it doesn't matter who you vote for.
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#32 hair001
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[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

redban2


bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of his religion.

Actualy his cause can be jusified as he is fightng to spread his religion. In the Quarn (correct me if thats the wrong spelling) that's okay
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[QUOTE="Junior_AIN"]For me, that would be a big plus for the candidate....Engrish_Major

HaHa!! Me too. I would not be surprised to find out that religion has cost more lives than any other single unnatural cause in history. We are on course to continue the crusades, and I would like to derail this train that we're on.

Most Atheists are too liberal for me, but if i found a moderate Atheist, then i'd be all for voting for that person.
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I wouldn't even think about voting for an athiest.

Having no belief in God is a sign of deep confusion in my eyes. I'm not going to go into the reasoning for why that is, as that has to do with my personal beliefs.

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated. Religion does play a big part in a person's character. Which is why I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

Another reason for not voting for an athiest is the the guilt feeling I'd get from doing so. I'd feel like I did the wrong thing in supporting someone like that.

redban2

Sorry us non-believers aren't exemplary citizens with out a stitch of moral intregrity in our bodies.

It's people like you, who act and believe such henous things that's keeping us back.

A person's religious beliefs shouldn't determine their ability to run and govern a nation. After all, it's our duty to legislate and protects rights, not one's petty view on morality.

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#35 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

redban2

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of their religion.

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

If we had a president that did not believe in heaven, he would not be so quick to send all of our troops there.

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#36 guitboxdude25
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[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

redban2

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of their religion.

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

the thing is,theres allways some joker that takes there religion way to seriously and way out of context,extremist and bible beaters.

i understand what your saying tho.if a person has good morals and ethics(wether they are religious or not)they are a good canidate,its just that not everyone who follows there religion passionatley is a good person.i think you were trying to say something else though,it just sounded that way.

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#37 redban2
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[QUOTE="redban2"]

I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

hair001

Do you really want religion politicised? Politics will change religion too

Not entirely. I'm not saying drastically incorparate relgion into politics. But at least show some acknowledgement to God in general in it (Notice I say God, not Jesus, Allah, or Shiva).

Because last I checked there were actually people uproaring about the US bill having the words "In God we trust", and the pledge saying "...Indivisible, UNDER GOD" . Why the uproar? Because they say religion should have zero part in politics. That, to me, is so stupid and annoying.

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#38 X360PS3AMD05
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[QUOTE="redban2"]

I wouldn't even think about voting for an athiest.

Having no belief in God is a sign of deep confusion in my eyes. I'm not going to go into the reasoning for why that is, as that has to do with my personal beliefs.

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated. Religion does play a big part in a person's character. Which is why I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

Another reason for not voting for an athiest is the the guilt feeling I'd get from doing so. I'd feel like I did the wrong thing in supporting someone like that.

Donkey_Puncher

Sorry us non-believers aren't exemplary citizens with out a stitch of moral intregrity in our bodies.

It's people like you, who act and believe such henous things that's keeping us back.

A person's religious beliefs shouldn't determine their ability to run and govern a nation. After all, it's our duty to legislate and protects rights, not one's petty view on morality.

Yup exemplary citizens :lol: That's why Bush has no problem going to sleep at night knowing all the suffering and death he has caused for greed.
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#39 guitboxdude25
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[QUOTE="redban2"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

Engrish_Major

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of their religion.

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

If we had a president that did not believe in heaven, he would not be so quick to send all of our troops there.

uhh that makes no sense.george bush isnt trying to send our troops the heaven,and nor is he doing a good job at it....hes just an idiot.

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#40 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="redban2"]

I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

redban2

Do you really want religion politicised? Politics will change religion too

Not entirely. I'm not saying drastically incorparate relgion into politics. But at least show some acknowledgement to God in general in it (Notice I say God, not Jesus, Allah, or Shiva).

Because last I checked there were actually people uproaring about the US bill having the words "In God we trust", and the pledge saying "...Indivisible, UNDER GOD" . Why the uproar? Because they say religion should have zero part in politics. That, to me, is so stupid and annoying.

Why? Why can't we just preach to be a good person? Why does our leader have to believe that a 2000 year old book is fact?

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I wouldn't even think about voting for an athiest.

Having no belief in God is a sign of deep confusion in my eyes. I'm not going to go into the reasoning for why that is, as that has to do with my personal beliefs.

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated. Religion does play a big part in a person's character. Which is why I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

Another reason for not voting for an athiest is the the guilt feeling I'd get from doing so. I'd feel like I did the wrong thing in supporting someone like that.

redban2
Voting for a Atheist wont send you to hell. You are just picking a person that you think would lead your country the best, and if that person happens to not be a Christian, oh well. It is not like YOU are choosing to become an Atheist.
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#42 branketra
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Yeah. It's too bad that people in power abuse it then blame those without for letting them do things with it (Separation of Church & State. Same 'ol same 'ol).
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Sure.
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People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated. Religion does play a big part in a person's character. Which is why I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

redban2
I assume you would argue that folks like Seantor Larry Craig and preachers Ted Haggard and Jim Bakker do not have deep faith in their religion? If so, your argument is vacuous, since we can only determine the depth of their faith by observing their behavior. You are saying "People who are faithful are responsible/good citizens. People who claim faith but are not good/responsible citizens don't really have faith." But that means that an individual's faith as they report it has no bearing at all on their citizenship. I don't see the correlation between good citizenship and religious affiliation, personally.
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#45 guitboxdude25
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="redban2"]

I wouldn't even think about voting for an athiest.

Having no belief in God is a sign of deep confusion in my eyes. I'm not going to go into the reasoning for why that is, as that has to do with my personal beliefs.

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated. Religion does play a big part in a person's character. Which is why I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

Another reason for not voting for an athiest is the the guilt feeling I'd get from doing so. I'd feel like I did the wrong thing in supporting someone like that.

X360PS3AMD05

Sorry us non-believers aren't exemplary citizens with out a stitch of moral intregrity in our bodies.

It's people like you, who act and believe such henous things that's keeping us back.

A person's religious beliefs shouldn't determine their ability to run and govern a nation. After all, it's our duty to legislate and protects rights, not one's petty view on morality.

Yup exemplary citizens :lol: That's why Bush has no problem going to sleep at night knowing all the suffering and death he has caused for greed.

george bush = stupid ignorant hick
george bush =/= antichrist.

and petty morality?morality is what we need?morality has nothing to do with religion.

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Our president is supposed to abide and govern by the US Constitution (200 years old and updated continuously). Our current president governs by the bible (2000 years old) and tries to ignore the constitution. Which is better?
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Yep, probably would be better than a religious person

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#48 hair001
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[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="redban2"]

I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

redban2

Do you really want religion politicised? Politics will change religion too

Not entirely. I'm not saying drastically incorparate relgion into politics. But at least show some acknowledgement to God in general in it (Notice I say God, not Jesus, Allah, or Shiva).

Because last I checked there were actually people uproaring about the US bill having the words "In God we trust", and the pledge saying "...Indivisible, UNDER GOD" . Why the uproar? Because they say religion should have zero part in politics. That, to me, is so stupid and annoying.

Why is it stupid? Do you think that all non-thocratic goverments are stupid?
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People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated. Religion does play a big part in a person's character. Which is why I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

redban2

So, those Catholic Priests that did stuff with little boys...they're great citizens?

An Atheist running for President would make my view of him/her a little more favorable, but that's it. I wouldn't vote for them just because they're atheist -- but if they also have good ideas, I'd vote for 'em in a heartbeat. I don't even know exactly what religion the current candidates are -- I assume they're mostly Protestant, but I really don't know; and I don't care. It shouldn't be an issue.

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#50 redban2
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So, those Catholic Priests that did stuff with little boys...they're great citizens?

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If a priest molested a toddler, then do they do they really have deep faith in their religion? No, there're in disguise..just a masquerade . Those priests do not have true faith in their religion.