Will the United States ever fall?

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#1 Posted by SonyNintendoFan (527 posts) -
Will it always be NO.1?
#2 Posted by konvikt_17 (22108 posts) -

Who knows?

its possible.

#3 Posted by Barbariser (6705 posts) -

The USA is certainly not going to be able to retain its hegemon status given that India and China exist. However, it's highly unlikely that it will fall below 3rd place for the forseeable future.

#4 Posted by SaudiFury (8699 posts) -

decline in power - yes, no empire whether literal or mataphorical has ever been able to withstand forever.

but i do believe it will remain a great power among many.

I have a hard time seeing the US becoming a third world type nation, or seeing the country be torn in two or more pieces.

#5 Posted by TheWalkingGhost (5003 posts) -
It already is falling and hard. The current setup we have across every level from economics to immigration can't and won't last. I say it can't happen soon enough.
#6 Posted by Jonwh18 (9350 posts) -
Lol, I don't think the US has been number one for AWHILE. China is the new world power.
#7 Posted by Allicrombie (25109 posts) -
"As the fate of OT goes, so too goes the U.S."
#8 Posted by Gen007 (10955 posts) -

idk about ever but def no time soon.

#9 Posted by WiiCubeM1 (4727 posts) -

Eventually, but not anytime soon. Were no more corrupt or economically off-put than any other country.

#10 Posted by FMAB_GTO (14385 posts) -
Maybe each state will be an independent country one day,who knows? And I;m 100% sure it will fall one day.
#11 Posted by TheWalkingGhost (5003 posts) -
Lol, I don't think the US has been number one for AWHILE. China is the new world power.Jonwh18
Is this a joke or are you stupid?
#12 Posted by gamerguru100 (10403 posts) -

Yes. All civilizations rise and fall.

#13 Posted by PernicioEnigma (5271 posts) -
Nothing last forever. Not the USA, not this planet, not even the universe.
#14 Posted by thebest31406 (3248 posts) -
Eventually.
#15 Posted by Treflis (11388 posts) -
Fall is a strong word and a unlikely one, I doubt the US will ever vanish like the Aztecs. However it may loose power much like how Rome and The British Empire did.
#16 Posted by KungfuKitten (20676 posts) -

Wars today are not about nation versus nation anymore. I don't think any nation will fall in the future.

#17 Posted by Matthew-first (3007 posts) -

Will it always be NO.1?SonyNintendoFan


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#18 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
We are all currently living in the early days of the decline of the US as a world power
#19 Posted by muller39 (14944 posts) -

Wars today are not about nation versus nation anymore. I don't think any nation will fall in the future.

KungfuKitten
#20 Posted by Dogswithguns (10671 posts) -
The future ain't good...
#21 Posted by Planeforger (15411 posts) -
Isn't it already in decline? I mean, the US economy doesn't seem to be booming, their political system appears to be completely dysfunctional, and it doesn't look like China is about to slow down in its race to become the leading world superpower.
#22 Posted by jimkabrhel (15416 posts) -

You can argue that the US isn't no 1 anymore in certain areas. Certainly we're down the list on education, health care, general civility.

I don't think the US will fail for some time, but every country will fall in time.

#23 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
of course it will
#24 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
Isn't it already in decline? I mean, the US economy doesn't seem to be booming, their political system appears to be completely dysfunctional, and it doesn't look like China is about to slow down in its race to become the leading world superpower.Planeforger
CHINA? china is a bubble waiting to burst
#25 Posted by sune_Gem (12463 posts) -

It should be ok, so long as it keeps its shoe laces tied.

#26 Posted by jointed (16716 posts) -
The US has only been a great power for 60 years give or take, and you're asking if it is ever going to fall ? :lol: There's no reason to think that the US is going to stay on top, especially not since China is right behind it's back.
#27 Posted by shadowkiller11 (7948 posts) -
I'm guessing no one has looked into China's economy? They are not fairing much better.
#28 Posted by BossPerson (9403 posts) -

Every single nation, no exeptions will break apart or 'fall' in some form or another.

#29 Posted by Serraph105 (27586 posts) -

well it's a country so no it won't "fall" people fall, buildings fall, but countries are part of the land so no it won't fall.

#30 Posted by Seraphy- (1820 posts) -
I think we're getting close to an age where countries -at least the 1st world ones- are going to remain pretty much static. Too many are linked economically with each other and have an invested interest in not seeing trade partners and such go under. e: oh, you meant if it'll always be the top dog and not if it'll psychically well, fall. Well what I said still applies somewhat, but yeah, stuff like that is hardly set in stone. I am hardly worried about China (who'll explode any day now) and India (where like 2/3rds of the population still sh*t in their kitchen) doing anything in the near future, though.
#31 Posted by BatCrazedJoker (1978 posts) -
It is hard to tell, at the moment it look likes it is possible but only time can truly tell if this will happen.
#32 Posted by C2N2 (759 posts) -

Will it always be number 1 in GDP? No. Given China and India both have populations 3-4 times our own, if their income per capita reaches even miniscule levels (like $12k per year small), then their GDP will equal ours... And if it ever equalled ours, their economies would be worth 3-4 times our own...

So as they develop it is likely we will move to third, but not because we are declining, only because they are catching up to us and have billions of people...

Also, highly unlikely, but if the EU ever became autonomous with member nations becoming member states and having an over arching EU government... That too would be larger than the US... Highly unlikely though even in the distant future...

Also, the world is too globalized for the US to fall... If we fall at this point, the entire planet is coming with us as the US is the financial, social, and cultural center of the planet...

#33 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
The US has only been a great power for 60 years give or take, and you're asking if it is ever going to fall ? :lol: There's no reason to think that the US is going to stay on top, especially not since China is right behind it's back. jointed
you really think china has a chance?
#34 Posted by tenaka2 (17012 posts) -

if the U.S. religions factions get their way and succeed in creationism getting thought in science class is would be the beginning of the end. They nearly managed with bush and intelligent design.

#35 Posted by Seraphy- (1820 posts) -

if the U.S. religions factions get their way

tenaka2
I was with you here

succeed in creationism getting thought in science class is would be the beginning of the end. They nearly managed with bush and intelligent design.

tenaka2
and you lost me here
#36 Posted by tenaka2 (17012 posts) -

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

if the U.S. religions factions get their way

Seraphy-

I was with you here

succeed in creationism getting thought in science class is would be the beginning of the end. They nearly managed with bush and intelligent design.

tenaka2

and you lost me here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8792302/ns/politics/t/bush-schools-should-teach-intelligent-design/

Bush: Schools should teach intelligent design

I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought, Bush said. Youre asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes.

The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand in creation.

Christian conservatives a substantial part of Bushs voting base have been pushing for the teaching of intelligent design in public schools. Scientists have rejected the theory as an attempt to force religion into science education.

#37 Posted by brucewayne69 (2859 posts) -

Sure, mention all the downsides to the U.S. and then say that China is better? Is this a joke? How is getting cancer just for living in Shanghai or Beijing and walking outside a good living condition? The fact that it is ridiculously over populated? That female children are almost worthless and discarded? How about the whole communism deal, huh? China is inferior to the U.S. in almost every way. They have a much larger military, but the United States is superior in training, discipline and technology. The age of "empires" is over. But the U.S. will always be the force to be reckoned with, and the place where people want to live.

#38 Posted by The-Apostle (12112 posts) -
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]Maybe each state will be an independent country one day,who knows? And I;m 100% sure it will fall one day.

California would never survive on its own.
#39 Posted by Mario_Eater (344 posts) -
Rome fell, Persia fell, (ancient) Greece fell, Britain fell, so yes of course the U.S. will fall. The question is how long? It is only a matter of time...
#40 Posted by Ncsoftlover (2110 posts) -

the USA will always be among the most powerful nations, probably among the top 2 for the forseeble future.

But I have an easier time to imagining US continue falling behind in development measures, and ending up more and more resembling a developing nation.

#41 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
[QUOTE="jointed"]The US has only been a great power for 60 years give or take, and you're asking if it is ever going to fall ? :lol: There's no reason to think that the US is going to stay on top, especially not since China is right behind it's back. Jandurin
you really think china has a chance?

China has many, many problems, but they're creating actual wealth for their people. I don't know who the next superpower will be, but China will definitely be one of the contenders.
#42 Posted by sonicare (53444 posts) -

I doubt it will remain "No. 1" - whatever that means. But I also doubt the nation would ever fall. I dont see any of the major powers in the world ever being taken over by someone else.

#43 Posted by CountBleck12 (22494 posts) -

It's been falling and it still is.

#44 Posted by LordQuorthon (5247 posts) -

China has many, many problems, but they're creating actual wealth for their people. Rhazakna

And a well thought-out strategy when it comes to foreign affairs to secure that wealth; one that isn't based on carrying a "+3 against them evil commies" stick around and calling everyone a terrorist.

#45 Posted by Chow_Mein_Kampf (6651 posts) -

Maybe not in our lifetime......

#46 Posted by Saturos3091 (14938 posts) -
I'm guessing no one has looked into China's economy? They are not fairing much better.shadowkiller11
Indeed. China's economic growth is closely linked to the United States'. Keep in mind the United States feeds their population, they're arguably behind some third-world nations in terms of human rights, and that they have a lot of other economic issues that the United States does not have. Their status as a world power is only apparent from a military standpoint and if you look at direct growth trends, not the reasons behind those trends.
#47 Posted by Jolt_counter119 (3965 posts) -

Maybe, we hardly fund science and research whether it be NASA or medical but because of our military I doubt we'll ever fall. But we could easily become irrevelant seeing as a large portion of our scientist and engineers are foreign born. Once they decide that coming to the U.S isn't that big a deal anymore and stop coming we could fall behind.



#48 Posted by Shmiity (4975 posts) -

I doubt it. I mean, the USA is not #1 in everything. It just is generally a good place to live among all the countries in the world. Poverty in America is super low in comparison to other places. America will remain a 1st world, modern nation, but other countries could surpass it, who knows.

#49 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
[QUOTE="shadowkiller11"]I'm guessing no one has looked into China's economy? They are not fairing much better.Saturos3091
Indeed. China's economic growth is closely linked to the United States'. Keep in mind the United States feeds their population, they're arguably behind some third-world nations in terms of human rights, and that they have a lot of other economic issues that the United States does not have. Their status as a world power is only apparent from a military standpoint and if you look at direct growth trends, not the reasons behind those trends.

China is creating actual wealth for the Chinese. Millions are being pulled out of poverty. Hong Kong is arguably the best economy in the world relative to size, and the freest market on the planet. The rest of China is moving away from central planning and toward a much more market based economy. You're right that China is dependant on the US to a large degree, but the US is now becoming perhaps even more dependent on China. "We" need them more than they need us in many unsettling ways. There are many economic issues with China, but you're kidding yourself if you think that the massive economic boom they've been experiencing is some temporary flash in the pan.
#50 Posted by mattisgod01 (3476 posts) -

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="shadowkiller11"]I'm guessing no one has looked into China's economy? They are not fairing much better.Rhazakna
Indeed. China's economic growth is closely linked to the United States'. Keep in mind the United States feeds their population, they're arguably behind some third-world nations in terms of human rights, and that they have a lot of other economic issues that the United States does not have. Their status as a world power is only apparent from a military standpoint and if you look at direct growth trends, not the reasons behind those trends.

China is creating actual wealth for the Chinese. Millions are being pulled out of poverty. Hong Kong is arguably the best economy in the world relative to size, and the freest market on the planet. The rest of China is moving away from central planning and toward a much more market based economy. You're right that China is dependant on the US to a large degree, but the US is now becoming perhaps even more dependent on China. "We" need them more than they need us in many unsettling ways. There are many economic issues with China, but you're kidding yourself if you think that the massive economic boom they've been experiencing is some temporary flash in the pan.

The world might not be able to support China adopting the mass consumerism found in the West. China raising more and more of it's population into the middle class could be catastrophic for the world and it's resources. I would be hypocritical to blame China, We are all to blame but either way, The world's population is far exceeding our capability to sustain, The effects are already evident, China and India rising out of poverty may be what breaks the camels back so to speak.