Will Africa, south/southeast Asia, and the Middle East be a lot better by 2050?

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#1 Posted by gamerguru100 (11644 posts) -

Do you think these regions will have raised their living standards, raised their wages, and lowered their rates of political corruption by mid-century? Or will they still be relatively unpleasant places to live? 

I think India will pull through in improving itself. With a population that will surpass China's by 2030, it better. Technological advances are making gains from what I've heard. Pakistan and Bangladesh will need to cool it on birth rates since both are already very dense. But Bangladeshi people have lots of kids for cultural reasons, so I don't know how they're gonna deal with their out of control population growth rate...Maybe emigration to other countries. That's what many men do in that country; they go out to the US or the UK to a good college and get a good career and then use the money to support their families back home. 

I think Thailand has the biggest shot at improvement. It has  large expatriate communities that could possibly aid in its economic development. 

As for Africa, sub-Saharan countries have a long way to go. They would have to overthrow their corrupt governments, set up an economic system that benefits them most, acquire clean drinking water and adequate amounts of food, crack down on AIDS and malaria, and vastly improve their education systems. Borders need to be redrawn so historically oppressed ethnic and religious groups aren't living in the same country, but then again, said groups could just be invaded. Europeans drew the borders of African countries during colonialism based on oil and other resources without thinking about ethnic and religious tensions. Africa will need the help of the outside world for mass improvement.

As for the Middle East, I'm afraid that their tendency to stay living in 700 AD won't be going away anytime soon. Women have no human rights in these countries and it looks like the men in power and in public mostly want to keep it that way. Women can't even drive in Saudi Arabia. Pretty sad. I think it's safe to say that these guys take their religion more to the extreme than any bible thumper in the good 'ole South. Human rights have a long road in this part of the world. 

#2 Posted by chaplainDMK (6953 posts) -
Well I doubt it could get worse.
#3 Posted by thebest31406 (3638 posts) -

Unfortunately there's very little chance of Africa ridden itself of the AIDS epidemic thanks to pharmaceutical companies and the United States refusing to allow developing nations to import life-saving generic drugs to the continent. Once again, the fate of the Third World is basically controlled by the first world http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/23/fire_in_the_blood_millions_die

#4 Posted by SilentFireX (1951 posts) -

Unfortunately there's very little chance of Africa ridden itself of the AIDS epidemic thanks to pharmaceutical companies and the United States refusing to allow developing nations to import life-saving generic drugs to the continent. Once again, the fate of the Third World is basically controlled by the first world http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/23/fire_in_the_blood_millions_die

thebest31406
Yes. The reason Africa is so screwed up is clearly because of a collaborative conspiracy effort by the U.S. government and pharmaceutical companies. You hit the nail on the head, mi amigo.
#5 Posted by themajormayor (24466 posts) -
Without a doubt yes
#6 Posted by themajormayor (24466 posts) -
Well I doubt it could get worse. chaplainDMK
It could be alot worse
#7 Posted by sexyweapons (5302 posts) -
[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]Well I doubt it could get worse. themajormayor
It could be alot worse

How?
#8 Posted by SilentFireX (1951 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]Well I doubt it could get worse. sexyweapons
It could be alot worse

How?

Africa could become infected with the debilitating epidemic known colloquially as MLP.  :P

#9 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

It is in the interest of developed countries to keep poor countries poor for trade reasons, so I think they will stay about the same.

#10 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

Africa and much of the middle east I wouldn't be surprised if they never got out of the stone age.

#11 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152955 posts) -
No
#12 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -
Nope. Don't see radical Islam disappearing within 37 years. It's in far too many countries now.
#13 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

Nope. Don't see radical Islam disappearing within 37 years. It's in far too many countries now.KC_Hokie

Most of Africa is christian you crazy oath breaker.

#14 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Nope. Don't see radical Islam disappearing within 37 years. It's in far too many countries now.tenaka2

Most of Africa is christian you crazy oath breaker.

Ahh...nope look at a religious map.

Muslim_Distribution_map.jpg

#15 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -
Nope. Don't see radical Islam disappearing within 37 years. It's in far too many countries now.KC_Hokie
it can disappear as easily and as fast as it materialized
#16 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Nope. Don't see radical Islam disappearing within 37 years. It's in far too many countries now.BossPerson
it can disappear as easily and as fast as it materialized

Exactly my point.
#17 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Nope. Don't see radical Islam disappearing within 37 years. It's in far too many countries now.KC_Hokie

Most of Africa is christian you crazy oath breaker.

Ahh...nope look at a religious map.

Muslim_Distribution_map.jpg

half of nigeria and most of ethiopia are christian. The vast majority of Kenya as well. As well as for much of the "south-western" part of north africa
#18 Posted by thebest31406 (3638 posts) -

Unfortunately there's very little chance of Africa ridden itself of the AIDS epidemic thanks to pharmaceutical companies and the United States refusing to allow developing nations to import life-saving generic drugs to the continent. Once again, the fate of the Third World is basically controlled by the first world http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/23/fire_in_the_blood_millions_die

thebest31406
[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

Unfortunately there's very little chance of Africa ridden itself of the AIDS epidemic thanks to pharmaceutical companies and the United States refusing to allow developing nations to import life-saving generic drugs to the continent. Once again, the fate of the Third World is basically controlled by the first world http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/23/fire_in_the_blood_millions_die

SilentFireX
Yes. The reason Africa is so screwed up is clearly because of a collaborative conspiracy effort by the U.S. government and pharmaceutical companies. You hit the nail on the head, mi amigo.

I was speaking specifically about the aids issue in Africa and yes, the blockade on life saving drugs to the region is due to the block by the pharmaceutical companies. That's no theory; that's documented.
#19 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Most of Africa is christian you crazy oath breaker.

BossPerson

Ahh...nope look at a religious map.

 

half of nigeria and most of ethiopia are christian. The vast majority of Kenya as well. As well as for much of the "south-western" part of north africa

Africa is 45% Muslim, 40% Christian, 15% other.

Muslim_world_map.png

#20 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Ahh...nope look at a religious map.

 

KC_Hokie

half of nigeria and most of ethiopia are christian. The vast majority of Kenya as well. As well as for much of the "south-western" part of north africa

Africa is 45% Muslim, 40% Christian, 15% other.

Muslim_world_map.png

Huh, didn't know Russia had that many Muslims.

#21 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Nope. Don't see radical Islam disappearing within 37 years. It's in far too many countries now.BossPerson
it can disappear as easily and as fast as it materialized

Radical Islam doesn't exist, its just like global warming, people are becoming more radical as time goes by but it has nothing to do with religion. The world has historically gone through periods were people become more or less radical.

#22 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]half of nigeria and most of ethiopia are christian. The vast majority of Kenya as well. As well as for much of the "south-western" part of north africaPirate700

Africa is 45% Muslim, 40% Christian, 15% other.

Muslim_world_map.png

Huh, didn't know Russia had that many Muslims.

They share large borders with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, etc.
#23 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Nope. Don't see radical Islam disappearing within 37 years. It's in far too many countries now.tenaka2

it can disappear as easily and as fast as it materialized

Radical Islam doesn't exist, its just like global warming, people are becoming more radical as time goes by but it has nothing to do with religion. The world has historically gone through periods were people become more or less radical.

I guess war and poverty don't exist either.
#24 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]it can disappear as easily and as fast as it materialized KC_Hokie

Radical Islam doesn't exist, its just like global warming, people are becoming more radical as time goes by but it has nothing to do with religion. The world has historically gone through periods were people become more or less radical.

I guess war and poverty don't exist either.

nope both a liberal conspiracies to get more of your tax,

#25 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Africa is 45% Muslim, 40% Christian, 15% other.

Muslim_world_map.png

KC_Hokie

Huh, didn't know Russia had that many Muslims.

They share large borders with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, etc.

Still wouldn't think it would be that high. The more you know, I guess. :P

#26 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Radical Islam doesn't exist, its just like global warming, people are becoming more radical as time goes by but it has nothing to do with religion. The world has historically gone through periods were people become more or less radical.

tenaka2

I guess war and poverty don't exist either.

nope both a liberal conspiracies to get more of your tax,

I would love for you to explain how radical Islam will disappear especially when countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman and Iran are theocracies.
#27 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Huh, didn't know Russia had that many Muslims.

Pirate700

They share large borders with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, etc.

Still wouldn't think it would be that high. The more you know, I guess. :P

Yea...it's about 10%. And guess where Russia's biggest problem is...Chechnya! Muslim extremists that have been fighting for decades.
#28 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I guess war and poverty don't exist either.KC_Hokie

nope both a liberal conspiracies to get more of your tax,

I would love for you to explain how radical Islam will disappear especially when countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman and Iran are theocracies.

Hokie I was taking the piss about your denial of global warming... I even mentioned grobal warming in the post... dude! 

#29 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

nope both a liberal conspiracies to get more of your tax,

tenaka2

I would love for you to explain how radical Islam will disappear especially when countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman and Iran are theocracies.

Hokie I was taking the piss about your denial of global warming... I even mentioned grobal warming in the post... dude! 

Not sure what that has to do with this topic. Radical Islam has been going on for decades. The Nigerian Sharia conflict, for example, started in 1953. Islamic insurgency in Philippines started in 1969. Islamic insurgency in Kashmir has been going on since 1989. Al-Qaeda insurgency in Yemen since 1992.
#30 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

I think you're over generalizing a bit, especially in the middle east.  These regions are more diverse than you give them credit for.

#31 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

I think you're over generalizing a bit, especially in the middle east.  These regions are more diverse than you give them credit for.

jim_shorts
They're becoming less diverse because of the Arab 'spring'.
#32 Posted by CommanderShiro (21746 posts) -

Huh, didn't know Russia had that many Muslims.

Pirate700

The areas around Chechnya are predominately Muslim. 

Also, in regards to the topic....I have doubts about the situation getting significantly better. Many of these countries lack stable governments willing to care about their people. 

#33 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -
[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

I think you're over generalizing a bit, especially in the middle east.  These regions are more diverse than you give them credit for.

KC_Hokie
They're becoming less diverse because of the Arab 'spring'.

explain
#34 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

I think you're over generalizing a bit, especially in the middle east.  These regions are more diverse than you give them credit for.

BossPerson

They're becoming less diverse because of the Arab 'spring'.

explain

Groups like the Muslim brotherhood have taken over with increase in radical Islam.

Christians and other religious groups have fled Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and prior to that Iraq.

Kurdish conflict has been heightened as well as Sunni vs. Shia conflict.

Other than that going great in the diverse middle east! /sarcasm

#35 Posted by call_of_duty_10 (4954 posts) -

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Ahh...nope look at a religious map.

 

KC_Hokie

half of nigeria and most of ethiopia are christian. The vast majority of Kenya as well. As well as for much of the "south-western" part of north africa

Africa is 45% Muslim, 40% Christian, 15% other.

Muslim_world_map.png

I had no idea there are so many muslims in France and eastern European countries.
#36 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They're becoming less diverse because of the Arab 'spring'. KC_Hokie

explain

Groups like the Muslim brotherhood have taken over with increase in radical Islam.

Christians and other religious groups have fled Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and prior to that Iraq.

Kurdish conflict has been heightened as well as Sunni vs. Shia conflict.

Other than that going great in the diverse middle east! /sarcasm

Muslim brotherhood has been influential for a loooooong time. Regarding Sunni vs Shia conflict, ever heart of the battle of Chaldiran? Goes back a lot longer.
#37 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They're becoming less diverse because of the Arab 'spring'. KC_Hokie

explain

Groups like the Muslim brotherhood have taken over with increase in radical Islam.

Christians and other religious groups have fled Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and prior to that Iraq.

Kurdish conflict has been heightened as well as Sunni vs. Shia conflict.

Other than that going great in the diverse middle east! /sarcasm

that doesnt equal the loss of diversity, it could in the future. But yea, there's a lot of conflicts that are yet to climax
#38 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]half of nigeria and most of ethiopia are christian. The vast majority of Kenya as well. As well as for much of the "south-western" part of north africacall_of_duty_10

Africa is 45% Muslim, 40% Christian, 15% other.

Muslim_world_map.png

I had no idea there are so many muslims in France and eastern European countries.

France has a lot because of their former colonies being in a lot of Muslim countries while the Balkans have had a lot of Muslims since the Ottoman's ruled that area (1300s- 1920s).

#39 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]explainBossPerson

Groups like the Muslim brotherhood have taken over with increase in radical Islam.

Christians and other religious groups have fled Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and prior to that Iraq.

Kurdish conflict has been heightened as well as Sunni vs. Shia conflict.

Other than that going great in the diverse middle east! /sarcasm

that doesnt equal the loss of diversity, it could in the future. But yea, there's a lot of conflicts that are yet to climax

Of course there is less diversity. Less than there was 10 years ago in those countries.
#40 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -
The only loss thats significant in the past 10 years are Iraqi Christians leaving Iraq. Other than that, people move to different cities and neighbourhoods, most dont have the ability to leave the country, especially not on a scale which would render the region less diverse on any level worth counting.
#41 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

The only loss thats significant in the past 10 years are Iraqi Christians leaving Iraq. Other than that, people move to different cities and neighbourhoods, most dont have the ability to leave the country, especially not on a scale which would render the region less diverse on any level worth counting. BossPerson
Yea..Christians are basically out of Iraq. But since the arab 'spring' they're out of Tunisia, Libya, fleeing Egypt and Syria.

The entire area is becoming less diverse and more sectarian. Kurds are more unified than ever while the Sunni and Shia rivalry is in full conflict using Syria as a proxy war.

Again, other than that all goes well in the diverse middle east.

#42 Posted by CommanderShiro (21746 posts) -

I had no idea there are so many muslims in France and eastern European countries.call_of_duty_10
Several Arab/African countries were once French colonies. Large numbers of Muslims have immigrated to France since colonization ended.

As for Eastern European, those regions were heavily influenced by the Ottoman Empire. I have several friends from Bosnia and Albania and was amazed when I found out they were Muslim. 

#43 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -

frankly if christians wanted to ride on the backs of dictators to guarantee their safety, perhaps leaving is the best decision for them.

of course i dont want them to leave, and Id wish that all these new governments would be secular governments that respect minorities, but like I said if they want to leave now just because there is a democracy in place (which comes with a million risks) than I really have no issue with that. I'd prefer they leave than to undermine democratic transitions. They can come back if they like once all the dirty work of establishing a real democracy is finished. 

#44 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

frankly if christians wanted to ride on the backs of dictators to guarantee their safety, perhaps leaving is the best decision for them.

of course i dont want them to leave, and Id wish that all these new governments would be secular governments that respect minorities, but like I said if they want to leave now just because there is a democracy in place (which comes with a million risks) than I really have no issue with that. I'd prefer they leave than to undermine democratic transitions. They can come back if they like once all the dirty work of establishing a real democracy is finished. 

BossPerson
They didn't WANT to leave. They were targeted after radical Islamists took over. Jihadists and other muslim groups, such as the muslim brotherhood, don't exactly encourage diversity when they cut off your limbs, possibly your head, rape your women.
#45 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -
[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

frankly if christians wanted to ride on the backs of dictators to guarantee their safety, perhaps leaving is the best decision for them.

of course i dont want them to leave, and Id wish that all these new governments would be secular governments that respect minorities, but like I said if they want to leave now just because there is a democracy in place (which comes with a million risks) than I really have no issue with that. I'd prefer they leave than to undermine democratic transitions. They can come back if they like once all the dirty work of establishing a real democracy is finished. 

KC_Hokie
They didn't WANT to leave. They were targeted after radical Islamists took over. Jihadists and other muslim groups, such as the muslim brotherhood, don't exactly encourage diversity when they cut off your limbs, possibly your head, rape your women.

lol where has this been happening?
#46 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]

frankly if christians wanted to ride on the backs of dictators to guarantee their safety, perhaps leaving is the best decision for them.

of course i dont want them to leave, and Id wish that all these new governments would be secular governments that respect minorities, but like I said if they want to leave now just because there is a democracy in place (which comes with a million risks) than I really have no issue with that. I'd prefer they leave than to undermine democratic transitions. They can come back if they like once all the dirty work of establishing a real democracy is finished. 

BossPerson
They didn't WANT to leave. They were targeted after radical Islamists took over. Jihadists and other muslim groups, such as the muslim brotherhood, don't exactly encourage diversity when they cut off your limbs, possibly your head, rape your women.

lol where has this been happening?

Christians have been beheaded, raped, etc. in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Syria. And they're getting the hell out of those places too.
#47 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] They didn't WANT to leave. They were targeted after radical Islamists took over. Jihadists and other muslim groups, such as the muslim brotherhood, don't exactly encourage diversity when they cut off your limbs, possibly your head, rape your women.

lol where has this been happening?

Christians have been beheaded, raped, etc. in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Syria. And they're getting the hell out of those places too.

cite some news stories.
#48 Posted by BossPerson (9139 posts) -

yes i know hokie, its pretty hard to find those articles. 

try looking in the aether 

#49 Posted by coolbeans90 (21305 posts) -

Asia, almost certainly, by leaps and bounds. Middle East, probably economically. Africa, well, I don't know.

#50 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]lol where has this been happening? BossPerson
Christians have been beheaded, raped, etc. in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Syria. And they're getting the hell out of those places too.

cite some news stories.

Syria rebels 'beheaded a Christian and fed him to the dogs' as fears grow over Islamist atrocities

Egypts Christian Winter

Man Beheaded by Tunisian Muslims for Converting to Christianity

Tunisia and the Clash Within Civilizations

Syria: Christians fleeing country as crisis reaches "unprecedented levels of horror" 

Amid Instability In Egypt, Coptic Christians Flee To U.S.

Armenia tries to help as Christian Armenians flee Syria

Syrian and Coptic Christians fleeing to Moscow, but Russia lacks shelters

Coptic Christians Fleeing Egypt as Islamic Extremism Rises

Egypt's Coptic Christians fleeing country after Islamist takeover

Muslim Brotherhood and the killing and persecution of Christians in Egypt

Muslims behead Christian convert in Tunisia

Two Christians killed in Libya bomb blast

Christians targeted in Iraq attacks

A powerful bomb devastated a Christian neighborhood of this capital city of Lebanon