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#1 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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"A torrent of leaked U.S. diplomatic cables obtained by the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks has been published in the last few days, with at least 170 of them naming sources whose identity was meant to be protected, according to an analysis of the documents by CNN.

Altogether nearly 143,000 of the cables obtained by WikiLeaks last year had been published by Tuesday, out of a total of 251,000 the group says it possesses.

Academics in China, human rights activists in Syria, bankers in Turkey, a Coca-Cola executive in Nepal and British members of Parliament are among dozens of confidential sources named in the cables, which have appeared unredacted on websites such as cablesearch.org."

Apparently wikileaks is stating that they didnt mean for the informants to be exposed. However, for a group that expresses the desire for freedom of information, their actions will likely lead to the suppression of it. These informants most likely will face some kind of serious retribution. Good job, wikileaks. :roll:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/31/wikileaks.sources/index.html?hpt=hp_t2" title="http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/31/wikileaks.sources/index.html?hpt=hp_t2">link

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#2 Wasdie  Moderator
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Great, now a bunch of those people are going to be dead.

They were being kept a secret for a damn reason. You don't think that other nations don't have informants and spies here in the US? Every major country likes to know what's going on in others, friend or foe. It's good to know.

"Freedom of information" is going to turn into the unnecessary deaths of people just doing a job that every nation employs.

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#3 Ring_of_fire
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Somehow, I don't believe that the exposure of the names was an accident.......
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Somehow, I don't believe that the exposure of the names was an accident.......Ring_of_fire
I'd agree with that.
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Wow this is a definition of being an a-hole.
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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Somehow, I don't believe that the exposure of the names was an accident.......foxhound_fox
I'd agree with that.

kind of, no one is THAT stupid.
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So wikileaks can get charged with accessory of murder, If any of these informants end up dead?

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So wikileaks can get charged with accessory of murder, If any of these informants end up dead?

POPEYE1716

I can see that.

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Didn't they threaten with this as they were being hindered by authorities?
Also I am pro-wikileaks as I am pro a world of the sane and honest, total transparency.
Nations won't be able to keep us safe without total transparency and ways to sort information.
On the path to inevitable total transparancy or our destruction, there are bound to be casualties no matter how much I hate it.

This is a dirty job that someone has to do. Now it is wikileaks, but otherwise it would have been someone else. When someone on this planet gets good at nano technology, genetic viri or other advanced technology, we must have total transparency in place or risk human annihilation.

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but they are spys they are the bad guys

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Stay classy Julian.
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#12 Skittles_McGee
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Kind of mixed towards this. On one hand, there's certainly innocent people that will suffer from this. On the other hand, I feel little sympathy for any disruption this might cause to the governments.
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but they are spys they are the bad guys

dontshackzmii

Spys have always been a necessary evil for any government.

History has shown us countless times that it's smart to know what other countries are really up to. Maybe we could have exposed Nazi germany for what they were before it got crazy out of hand.

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but they are spys they are the bad guys

dontshackzmii
Not all of these people were spies. Some were just informing on practices they disliked - trying to make their respective government or institution more transparent.
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I'd be freaking out if I were an informant

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That was dumb.
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they have nothing to gain by doing this
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#18 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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This is not going to end well. And I don't believe that Wiikileaks "didn't mean for this to happen".
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What was the reason for them to be kept secret to spy? to extort other governments? to hide human rights violations? because that's some of the kind of things Wikileaks have exposed. If they are kept secret because of stuff like that then I can't say I feel sad for them. More power to Wikileaks and similar efforts!
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Didn't they threaten with this as they were being hindered by authorities?
Also I am pro-wikileaks as I am pro a world of the sane and honest, total transparency.
Nations won't be able to keep us safe without total transparency and ways to sort information.
On the path to inevitable total transparancy or our destruction, there are bound to be casualties no matter how much I hate it.

This is a dirty job that someone has to do. Now it is wikileaks, but otherwise it would have been someone else. When someone on this planet gets good at nano technology, genetic viri or other advanced technology, we must have total transparency in place or risk human annihilation.

KungfuKitten

There's no excuse for leaking names of informants. Blotting out names of informants doesn't affect the quality of information in a document. Furthermore, none of these cables have yet to really show anything significant that we didn't already know, so essentially wikileaks has just killed hundreds of people over trivial information.

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I find it funny that people are already accusing Wikileaks of future deaths that nobody knows even if they are going to happen. I imagine any death will be attributed to Wikileaks now. Chances are the governments are responsible for more deaths by keeping info hidden than Wikileaks will ever be.
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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Somehow, I don't believe that the exposure of the names was an accident.......foxhound_fox
I'd agree with that.

I'd agree as well. There's something behind it, most likely

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And in a few days Julian assange is found dead from an apparent suicide.

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What was the reason for them to be kept secret to spy? to extort other governments? to hide human rights violations? because that's some of the kind of things Wikileaks have exposed. If they are kept secret because of stuff like that then I can't say I feel sad for them. More power to Wikileaks and similar efforts!kuraimen
They were the ones reporting the humans rights violations. Now they're likely imprisoned by their respective governments. Efforts like this will result in less flow of information not more. If you kill off all your sources and informants, who's left to report?
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]What was the reason for them to be kept secret to spy? to extort other governments? to hide human rights violations? because that's some of the kind of things Wikileaks have exposed. If they are kept secret because of stuff like that then I can't say I feel sad for them. More power to Wikileaks and similar efforts!sonicare
They were the ones reporting the humans rights violations. Now they're likely imprisoned by their respective governments. Efforts like this will result in less flow of information not more. If you kill off all your sources and informants, who's left to report?

Where's the evidence to that? sorry if I don't trust the government. The only important things I've seen Wikileaks uncover are human right violations and government manipulations in favor of companies and government agencies.
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They were the ones reporting the humans rights violations. Now they're likely imprisoned by their respective governments. Efforts like this will result in less flow of information not more. If you kill off all your sources and informants, who's left to report?sonicare

Don't even bother, man.

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#28 psychobrew
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It just seems so fitting that Wikileaks would leak confidential data on themselves.
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#29 UniverseIX
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I wonder which government is trying to destroy wikileaks credibility...
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I wonder which government is trying to destroy wikileaks credibility...UniverseIX

All of them. No government likes Wikileaks.

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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]I wonder which government is trying to destroy wikileaks credibility...airshocker

All of them. No government likes Wikileaks.

yeah, but which one released the name of informants and then blamed it on wiki leaks?
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yeah, but which one released the name of informants and then blamed it on wiki leaks? UniverseIX

I don't think you understand what happened. Wikileaks released the cables with the informants names in them.

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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]yeah, but which one released the name of informants and then blamed it on wiki leaks? airshocker

I don't think you understand what happened. Wikileaks released the cables with the informants names in them.

'supposedly' I doubt anyone knows what really happened.
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'supposedly' I doubt anyone knows what really happened.UniverseIX

Did you even read what sonicare wrote?

Apparently wikileaks is stating that they didnt mean for the informants to be exposed. However, for a group that expresses the desire for freedom of information, their actions will likely lead to the suppression of it. These informants most likely will face some kind of serious retribution. Good job, wikileaks.sonicare

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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

but they are spys they are the bad guys

Wasdie

Spys have always been a necessary evil for any government.

History has shown us countless times that it's smart to know what other countries are really up to. Maybe we could have exposed Nazi germany for what they were before it got crazy out of hand.

It was never a secret that the Nazi hated Jews...

As for this... I think it is bad that their names got released.
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]'supposedly' I doubt anyone knows what really happened.airshocker

Did you even read what sonicare wrote?

Apparently wikileaks is stating that they didnt mean for the informants to be exposed. However, for a group that expresses the desire for freedom of information, their actions will likely lead to the suppression of it. These informants most likely will face some kind of serious retribution. Good job, wikileaks.sonicare

I don't think that matters. That's only what were being told.
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]I wonder which government is trying to destroy wikileaks credibility...airshocker

All of them. No government likes Wikileaks.

Then I'll quote what Wikileaks said: "Dear governments, if you don't want your filth exposed, then stop acting like pigs. Simple"
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At the very least they should've blacked out all the names on the informants. The people in Syria, China and Turkey are defintely going to experience a high danger level. But CNN pointing this out isn't making this any better. I agree with Wasdie and TC: Exposing the cables was one thing, but publishing the names and endangering lives was another.
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At the very least they should've blacked out all the names on the informants. The people in Syria, China and Turkey are defintely going to experience a high danger level. But CNN pointing this out isn't making this any better. I agree with Wasdie and TC: Exposing the cables was one thing, but publishing the names and endangering lives was another. DeX2010
According to Wikileaks the informant thing is a thing of the mainstream media. They say they didn't expose anyone that wasn't "exposed" before. Most likely governments are trying to discredit them by coming up with made up stuff. This is what Wikileaks twitted WikiLeaks has not released the names of any "informants". The material is unclassified and previously released by mainstream media."
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I don't think that matters. That's only what were being told.UniverseIX

So what Wikileaks says to us doesn't matter? :lol:

Okay....

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#41 kuraimen
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Poor governments, they are clearly the victims here. They just don't want people to know stuff like this http://news.antiwar.com/2011/08/29/cables-reveal-2006-summary-execution-of-civilian-family-in-iraq/. Wikileaks are clearly terrorists for exposing it.

If you are more interested on what terroristic Wikileaks wants to tell you go directly to the source http://twitter.com/#!/wikileaks

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What happened to the guy that leaked the "helecopter massacre" video? he was taken to court and I never heard of anything after that, probably being tortured...

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I think everyone involved in this is a melon farming booger biscuit. I mean, really, how can these sons-of-bisons do such things!?
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they shouldn't have done it, those people are now scared of possible violence