Why USA people hate SOCIALISM?

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#1 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

Really. I keep reading how people in this forum, videos and in other forums(americans) saying that socialism is shit and bad thing.

Why? Why Socialism is bad? In here, Europe Socialism is good.

We got free health care, free education(with free university), social help, money help and kinda stuff.

In usa you have to pay for health care, no free education and kinda stuff.

Why USA people say that when you have to pay more money then it´s a bad thing? Also we got 40 days Vacation days. Mostly for with family and take care of other people.

People who earns more, pays more. People who are poorer pays less. Poorer people usually get extra stuff, money and social help. You don´t have a job? No worry, we give you money every month to live and help you search work you need. If needed then country gives help to have new specialty.

I don´t get it? Why USA people hate socialism? Hate to pay more, hate people who are equal, hate everyone who thinks differently. We USA people can´t live in peace? Why you have to built big army, go to other country and kill others? Why you need so many guns, even normal persons has guns. Why the hell you need gun?

We think that everyone are important. You get big payment, supported by country, working normal = country wins more by quality work. In USA you got no money, then you don´t get any help, home and no health care. Why so cruel?

Stop fearing socialism. We have 6 party different party in goverment and it works. Why USA even have 2 party system?

#2 Posted by thegerg (14862 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife: "In usa you have to pay for health care, no free education and kinda stuff."

It's the same where you live, you know.

#3 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: "In usa you have to pay for health care, no free education and kinda stuff."

It's the same where you live, you know.

What? No it is not. You get free health care and it does not matter do you have money or not. Education is free for everyone. Again, it does not matter do you have money or not.

Why health care and education should depend on money? It´s just false. This is not humane when your life depends on money.

#4 Posted by lostrib (34692 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: "In usa you have to pay for health care, no free education and kinda stuff."

It's the same where you live, you know.

What? No it is not. You get free health care and it does not matter do you have money or not. Education is free for everyone. Again, it does not matter do you have money or not.

Why health care and education should depend on money? It´s just false. This is not humane when your life depends on money.

Everyone's life depends on money. And you do realize that you end up having to pay for that via taxes

#5 Posted by thegerg (14862 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: "In usa you have to pay for health care, no free education and kinda stuff."

It's the same where you live, you know.

What? No it is not. You get free health care and it does not matter do you have money or not. Education is free for everyone. Again, it does not matter do you have money or not.

Why health care and education should depend on money? It´s just false. This is not humane when your life depends on money.

Do your doctors and teachers get paid? If so, then healthcare and education are not free.

"Why health care and education should depend on money?"

Because those that heal and teach others deserve to be paid.

#6 Posted by JML897 (33120 posts) -

Because of the Cold War.

#7 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: "In usa you have to pay for health care, no free education and kinda stuff."

It's the same where you live, you know.

What? No it is not. You get free health care and it does not matter do you have money or not. Education is free for everyone. Again, it does not matter do you have money or not.

Why health care and education should depend on money? It´s just false. This is not humane when your life depends on money.

Do your doctors and teachers get paid? If so, then healthcare and education are not free.

"Why health care and education should depend on money?"

Because those that heal and teach others deserve to be paid.

System is simple. You earn money, you pay about 20% of taxes to goverment and in return goverment pays money to doctors and teachers. You get education, health care without any money. It does matter do you have job or not, you get this all because rich people pay more taxes. Simple, nothing else.

You poor? Goverment gives you home.

How long you go to jail when you murder someone? in here you murder someone then you get 3-6 years about.

1)How long USA people get paid Vacation? In my country 40 days.

2)How long you in jail when you murder someone? In my country 3-6 years.

#8 Posted by GOGOGOGURT (4470 posts) -

Who cares what Europe does? I don't trust Europeans anyway, the have that fountain in brussels that a boy pees into, and they drink it.

#9 Posted by thegerg (14862 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife: " You earn money, you pay about 20% of taxes to goverment and in return goverment pays money to doctors and teachers."

So, in other words, it's NOT free.

"How long you go to jail when you murder someone? in here you murder someone then you get 3-6 years about."

WTF are you on about?

#10 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: " You earn money, you pay about 20% of taxes to goverment and in return goverment pays money to doctors and teachers."

So, in other words, it's NOT free.

"How long you go to jail when you murder someone? in here you murder someone then you get 3-6 years about."

WTF are you on about?

In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free... and when you don´t pay taxes because you don´t have a job, you still get free education and free health care. So it is free kinda.

What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair.

#11 Posted by thegerg (14862 posts) -

"In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free"

Exactly, nothing that is paid for is free. Thanks for stating the obvious.

"What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair."

WTF does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

#12 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@thegerg said:

"In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free"

Exactly, nothing that is paid for is free. Thanks for stating the obvious.

"What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair."

WTF does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

Just tell me. I WANNA KNOW TOO. Why not tell me? I don´t live in USA, tell me.

#13 Edited by Wilfred_Owen (20835 posts) -

Socialism messed you up bro.

#14 Posted by thegerg (14862 posts) -

@thegerg said:

"In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free"

Exactly, nothing that is paid for is free. Thanks for stating the obvious.

"What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair."

WTF does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

Just tell me. I WANNA KNOW TOO. Why not tell me? I don´t live in USA, tell me.

It depends.

#15 Edited by lostrib (34692 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: " You earn money, you pay about 20% of taxes to goverment and in return goverment pays money to doctors and teachers."

So, in other words, it's NOT free.

"How long you go to jail when you murder someone? in here you murder someone then you get 3-6 years about."

WTF are you on about?

In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free... and when you don´t pay taxes because you don´t have a job, you still get free education and free health care. So it is free kinda.

What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair.

how is 3-6 years an acceptable punishment for taking another persons life?

#16 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@thegerg said:

"In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free"

Exactly, nothing that is paid for is free. Thanks for stating the obvious.

"What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair."

WTF does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

Just tell me. I WANNA KNOW TOO. Why not tell me? I don´t live in USA, tell me.

It depends.

Well normal kill with gun for example? something?

#17 Posted by lostrib (34692 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@thegerg said:

"In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free"

Exactly, nothing that is paid for is free. Thanks for stating the obvious.

"What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair."

WTF does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

Just tell me. I WANNA KNOW TOO. Why not tell me? I don´t live in USA, tell me.

It depends.

Well normal kill with gun for example? something?

Wtf is that supposed to say?

#18 Edited by k2theswiss (16599 posts) -

lol free... you really think its free? kids do get "free"schooling here or parents can choose a private school.

either way this is why tax around eroupe can be up to 45%

#19 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: " You earn money, you pay about 20% of taxes to goverment and in return goverment pays money to doctors and teachers."

So, in other words, it's NOT free.

"How long you go to jail when you murder someone? in here you murder someone then you get 3-6 years about."

WTF are you on about?

In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free... and when you don´t pay taxes because you don´t have a job, you still get free education and free health care. So it is free kinda.

What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair.

how is 3-6 years an acceptable punishment for taking another persons life?

Its rare when someone kills and takes other persons life. But yeah, it is acceptable punishment. I mean most people feel guilty anyway when they kill someone. Its usually phyico when kills somone

How big jails in usa got? never been in usa jail but it looks like this?

In here you can work in jail, get payment - is system same in usa?

Neighbour country jail but kinda very similear jail in my country.

#20 Posted by lostrib (34692 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: " You earn money, you pay about 20% of taxes to goverment and in return goverment pays money to doctors and teachers."

So, in other words, it's NOT free.

"How long you go to jail when you murder someone? in here you murder someone then you get 3-6 years about."

WTF are you on about?

In usa you pay taxes and then you still don´t get anything free... and when you don´t pay taxes because you don´t have a job, you still get free education and free health care. So it is free kinda.

What im talking about? Im talking about how long you're going to jail when you murder someone in usa? in my country 3-6 years and i think it´s fair.

how is 3-6 years an acceptable punishment for taking another persons life?

Its rare when someone kills and takes other persons life. But yeah, it is acceptable punishment. I mean most people feel guilty anyway when they kill someone. Its usually phyico when kills somone

How big jails in usa got? never been in usa jail but it looks like this?

In here you can work in jail, get payment - is system same in usa?

Neighbour country jail but kinda very similear jail in my country.

Murder by definition means you take another persons life. Does "phyico" mean psycho? because by definition a psycho does not feel guilty.

#21 Posted by comp_atkins (31278 posts) -

red dawn taught us socialism is evil.. you wanna be cold in the woods peeing in car radiators? i don't!

#22 Edited by bforrester420 (1371 posts) -

European countries, much like the united states, are rarely "socialist". They are mixed economies that may have enacted a greater deal of socialist policies.

There is no such thing as a pure capitalist economy. Both unfettered capitalism and socialism are bad, mmkay. Laissez faire capitalism gave rise to the robber barons on the late 19th and early 20th century in the United States.

A balance must be struck in any economy between social and capitalist policies. I couldn't begin to imagine how badly the 2007-2010 global economic crisis would have been without social policies like unemployment insurance, welfare, government construction projects, the bailout of the U.S. Auto industry, and the decisive action taken by the various Central Banks.

#23 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@k2theswiss said:

lol free... you really think its free? kids do get "free"schooling here or parents can choose a private school.

either way this is why tax around eroupe can be up to 45%

45? no way!

15,600–23,200 euros 6.5%

23,200–37,800 euros 17.5%

37,800–68,200 euros 21.5%

68,200- euros 30.0%

30% is max.

For example, 5600 euros(7594 us dollars)(month) - 21.5% tax.

What tax is in usa?

#24 Edited by comp_atkins (31278 posts) -
@FreedomFreeLife said:

@k2theswiss said:

lol free... you really think its free? kids do get "free"schooling here or parents can choose a private school.

either way this is why tax around eroupe can be up to 45%

45? no way!

15,600–23,200 euros 6.5%

23,200–37,800 euros 17.5%

37,800–68,200 euros 21.5%

68,200- euros 30.0%

30% is max.

For example, 5600 euros(7594 us dollars)(month) - 21.5% tax.

What tax is in usa?

it depends on how good your lawyers/accountants are.

#25 Posted by lostrib (34692 posts) -

@k2theswiss said:

lol free... you really think its free? kids do get "free"schooling here or parents can choose a private school.

either way this is why tax around eroupe can be up to 45%

45? no way!

15,600–23,200 euros 6.5%

23,200–37,800 euros 17.5%

37,800–68,200 euros 21.5%

68,200- euros 30.0%

30% is max.

For example, 5600 euros(7594 us dollars)(month) - 21.5% tax.

What tax is in usa?

not according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_European_countries

#26 Posted by Evil_Saluki (4878 posts) -

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

#27 Posted by lostrib (34692 posts) -

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

well, taxes are used for a number of things besides health care

#28 Edited by GazaAli (22542 posts) -

I see the "nothing is free" shit argument is being reiterated and rehashed in this topic, can't say I'm surprised.

If you want to be pedantic and argue about semantics, fine I'll entertain your logic. If the free public services and higher standards of living people enjoy in socialist countries are essentially not free and are paid for by someone, and given the economic and taxation systems of socialist countries, it stands to reason to say that things you get in socialism are paid for by everyone who benefits of them in proportions to his/her ability. That means the rich contribute more to the general affluence of the people and to their well being which in turn means that socialist countries enjoy a more just system of distributive justice. Can't see how this is a bad thing.

I'm not saying socialism is perfect, I'm sure its riddled with pitfalls and in need of reform. But its foundation remains to be superiorly humane and moral compared to capitalism as practiced in today's world. I'd still pick a socialist country over a capitalist democracy like the U.S any day of the week. Its not even a topic of discussion for me.

#29 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@k2theswiss said:

lol free... you really think its free? kids do get "free"schooling here or parents can choose a private school.

either way this is why tax around eroupe can be up to 45%

45? no way!

15,600–23,200 euros 6.5%

23,200–37,800 euros 17.5%

37,800–68,200 euros 21.5%

68,200- euros 30.0%

30% is max.

For example, 5600 euros(7594 us dollars)(month) - 21.5% tax.

What tax is in usa?

not according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_European_countries

So 7 countries = Europe. Great logic.

#30 Posted by plageus900 (1001 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@thegerg said:

@FreedomFreeLife: "In usa you have to pay for health care, no free education and kinda stuff."

It's the same where you live, you know.

What? No it is not. You get free health care and it does not matter do you have money or not. Education is free for everyone. Again, it does not matter do you have money or not.

Why health care and education should depend on money? It´s just false. This is not humane when your life depends on money.

Do your doctors and teachers get paid? If so, then healthcare and education are not free.

"Why health care and education should depend on money?"

Because those that heal and teach others deserve to be paid.

System is simple. You earn money, you pay about 20% of taxes to goverment and in return goverment pays money to doctors and teachers. You get education, health care without any money. It does matter do you have job or not, you get this all because rich people pay more taxes. Simple, nothing else.

You poor? Goverment gives you home.

How long you go to jail when you murder someone? in here you murder someone then you get 3-6 years about.

1)How long USA people get paid Vacation? In my country 40 days.

2)How long you in jail when you murder someone? In my country 3-6 years.

1. In America, it depends on the job you have. Some jobs give out 30 days a year and then you can transfer them over to the next year and take sporadic 30 day long vacations here and there.

2. Oh, so murder goes unpunished in your country?

I got it mate. You're either a troll or a fucking idiot.

#31 Posted by VaguelyTagged (10129 posts) -

those are socialist programs, they don't equal socialism.

#32 Edited by bforrester420 (1371 posts) -

@GazaAli: Again, these aren't purely socialist economies you're talking about, they're mixed economies. They're capitalist, in base, with various degrees of social policies sprinkled in to ensure the health of the society as a whole.

The U.S. is not a capitalist democracy. We have social security, welfare programs, government funded education, government funded medical insurance (medicare and medicaid), government funded research and infrastructure spending. We're a mixed economy, just like the European nations, we just haven't gone as far with some of our social policies (education and health care particularly).

#33 Edited by lostrib (34692 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@k2theswiss said:

lol free... you really think its free? kids do get "free"schooling here or parents can choose a private school.

either way this is why tax around eroupe can be up to 45%

45? no way!

15,600–23,200 euros 6.5%

23,200–37,800 euros 17.5%

37,800–68,200 euros 21.5%

68,200- euros 30.0%

30% is max.

For example, 5600 euros(7594 us dollars)(month) - 21.5% tax.

What tax is in usa?

not according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_European_countries

So 7 countries = Europe. Great logic.

read his statement. Taxes in europe can be up to 45%. You claimed that the max in europe is 30% which is factually untrue

#34 Posted by Diablo-B (4030 posts) -

Geez you guys are clueless. "Socialism" is seen as a bad thing because of branding. The politicians against it did a good job branding socialism as a negative thing in the US. However, socialist policies are running rampant. We just don't call it by its true name.

#35 Posted by jasean79 (2359 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife:

Your inability to speak English fluently tells me you're just as uneducated about "socialism" as you are about your grammar. Your follow up posts about murder and jail just serve to further emphasize that point.

You're like Obama's wet dream.

#36 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

I see the "nothing is free" shit argument is being reiterated and rehashed in this topic, can't say I'm surprised.

If you want to be pedantic and argue about semantics, fine I'll entertain your logic. If the free public services and higher standards of living people enjoy in socialist countries are essentially not free and are paid for by someone, and given the economic and taxation systems of socialist countries, it stands to reason to say that things you get in socialism are paid for by everyone who benefits of them in proportions to his/her ability. That means the rich contribute more to the general affluence of the people and to their well being which in turn means that socialist countries enjoy a more just system of distributive justice. Can't see how this is a bad thing.

I'm not saying socialism is perfect, I'm sure its riddled with pitfalls and in need of reform. But its foundation remains to be superiorly humane and moral compared to capitalism as practiced in today's world. I'd still pick a socialist country over a capitalist democracy like the U.S any day of the week. Its not even a topic of discussion for me.

Yes. I can´t understand that why people who got no money get no help in usa? how people can be so cruel in usa? i don´t get it. yes, rich people pay more so then poor can get also help and everything free even if they don´t have money. so is school food free, sport, kindergartens, everything that people need. Why people hate socialism in usa? mixed socialism and capitalism works well.

#37 Edited by bforrester420 (1371 posts) -

@Diablo-B said:

Geez you guys are clueless. "Socialism" is seen as a bad thing because of branding. The politicians against it did a good job branding socialism as a negative thing in the US. However, socialist policies are running rampant. We just don't call it by its true name.

Pretty much this. I also don't think many Americans are able to differentiate between socialism and communism, the latter being a totalitarian form of governing.

#38 Posted by plageus900 (1001 posts) -

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

The United States doesn't know how to spend money.

#39 Edited by thegerg (14862 posts) -

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

So does he.

#40 Edited by bforrester420 (1371 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@k2theswiss said:

lol free... you really think its free? kids do get "free"schooling here or parents can choose a private school.

either way this is why tax around eroupe can be up to 45%

45? no way!

15,600–23,200 euros 6.5%

23,200–37,800 euros 17.5%

37,800–68,200 euros 21.5%

68,200- euros 30.0%

30% is max.

For example, 5600 euros(7594 us dollars)(month) - 21.5% tax.

What tax is in usa?

The highest tax bracket in the U.S. is 39.6%. We also pay state income tax, with a few exceptions like Texas, Florida, Nevada (I believe), and many pay a county/city income tax. The State and Local income taxes are a much smaller percentage.

The tax law here is quite complicated. You can deduct your state and local taxes from your federal income tax burden, for example, and some types of income, capital gains (profit from the sale of stocks) and dividends, are taxed at a 15% - 20% rate, again depending on your total taxable income.

According to Wikipedia:

Marginal Tax Rate[8]SingleMarried Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er)Married Filing SeparatelyHead of Household[9]
10%up to $8,925up to $17,850up to $8,925up to $12,750
15%$8,925 to $36,250$17,850 to $72,500$8,925 to $36,250$12,750 to $48,600
25%$36,250 to $87,850$72,500 to $146,400$36,250 to $73,200$48,600 to $125,450
28%$87,850 to $183,250$146,400 to $223,050$73,200 to $111,525$125,450 to $203,150
33%$183,250 to $398,350$223,050 to $398,350$111,525 to $199,175$203,150 to $398,350
35%$398,350 to $400,000$398,350 to $450,000$199,175 to $225,000$398,350 to $425,000
39.6%$400,000+$450,000+$225,000+$425,000+
#41 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@Evil_Saluki said:

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

The United States doesn't know how to spend money.

How much money they put in something? In here more than 50% nation budget goes to social section.

#42 Posted by bforrester420 (1371 posts) -

Oh, I would argue that the U.S. knows how to spend money quite well! Now, are they efficient with their expenditures? No way!

#43 Posted by hoodedjustice3 (253 posts) -

This guy trolls SW really hard. Now he's doing OT.

#44 Edited by plageus900 (1001 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@Evil_Saluki said:

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

The United States doesn't know how to spend money.

How much money they put in something? In here more than 50% nation budget goes to social section.

The United State's occupies over 100 countries in a military capacity. Were the only country in the world that's EVERYWHERE. Then add in the money it takes to keep these bases running.

Do the math.

#45 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@k2theswiss said:

lol free... you really think its free? kids do get "free"schooling here or parents can choose a private school.

either way this is why tax around eroupe can be up to 45%

45? no way!

15,600–23,200 euros 6.5%

23,200–37,800 euros 17.5%

37,800–68,200 euros 21.5%

68,200- euros 30.0%

30% is max.

For example, 5600 euros(7594 us dollars)(month) - 21.5% tax.

What tax is in usa?

The highest tax bracket in the U.S. is 39.6%. We also pay state income tax, with a few exceptions like Texas, Florida, Nevada (I believe), and many pay a county/city income tax. The State and Local income taxes are a much smaller percentage.

The tax law here is quite complicated. You can deduct your state and local taxes from your federal income tax burden, for example, and some types of income, capital gains (profit from the sale of stocks) and dividends, are taxed at a 15% - 20% rate, again depending on your total taxable income.

According to Wikipedia:

Marginal Tax Rate[8]SingleMarried Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er)Married Filing SeparatelyHead of Household[9]
10%up to $8,925up to $17,850up to $8,925up to $12,750
15%$8,925 to $36,250$17,850 to $72,500$8,925 to $36,250$12,750 to $48,600
25%$36,250 to $87,850$72,500 to $146,400$36,250 to $73,200$48,600 to $125,450
28%$87,850 to $183,250$146,400 to $223,050$73,200 to $111,525$125,450 to $203,150
33%$183,250 to $398,350$223,050 to $398,350$111,525 to $199,175$203,150 to $398,350
35%$398,350 to $400,000$398,350 to $450,000$199,175 to $225,000$398,350 to $425,000
39.6%$400,000+$450,000+$225,000+$425,000+

Thanks for tax rate.

#46 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@plageus900 said:

@Evil_Saluki said:

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

The United States doesn't know how to spend money.

How much money they put in something? In here more than 50% nation budget goes to social section.

The United State's occupies over 100 countries in a military capacity. Were the only country in the world that's EVERYWHERE. Then add in the money it takes to keep these bases running.

Do the math.

Crazy.

In short my country. Humane is most important thing. if poor people can´t get free univitry, health or money from goverment, then it´s just not human and curel. i cant undestand how it works in usa

#47 Posted by plageus900 (1001 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@plageus900 said:

@Evil_Saluki said:

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

The United States doesn't know how to spend money.

How much money they put in something? In here more than 50% nation budget goes to social section.

The United State's occupies over 100 countries in a military capacity. Were the only country in the world that's EVERYWHERE. Then add in the money it takes to keep these bases running.

Do the math.

Crazy.

In short my country. Humane is most important thing. if poor people can´t get free univitry, health or money from goverment, then it´s just not human and curel. i cant undestand how it works in usa

There are people that legitimately need help and there are people who work the system on purpose. I knew a married couple that lived in a low-income apartment complex with their child. They were both unemployed by choice. I asked them why they didn't get jobs and he said 'because we'd stop getting money from the state'.

#48 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (2149 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@plageus900 said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@plageus900 said:

@Evil_Saluki said:

Stop trying to tell him he pays for the doctors and all that in Taxes. Yes that's true and all, but the thing is, you don't get free health care. AND you pay taxes. Figure that one out!

The United States doesn't know how to spend money.

How much money they put in something? In here more than 50% nation budget goes to social section.

The United State's occupies over 100 countries in a military capacity. Were the only country in the world that's EVERYWHERE. Then add in the money it takes to keep these bases running.

Do the math.

Crazy.

In short my country. Humane is most important thing. if poor people can´t get free univitry, health or money from goverment, then it´s just not human and curel. i cant undestand how it works in usa

There are people that legitimately need help and there are people who work the system on purpose. I knew a married couple that lived in a low-income apartment complex with their child. They were both unemployed by choice. I asked them why they didn't get jobs and he said 'because we'd stop getting money from the state'.

In here:

You unemployed, goverment gives you money help and helps you find job. Goverment works with private sector so then people can get work. If there is a reason you can´t find job then goverment can give social work or help you learn new specialty that private sector needs. If you still can´t work, for example because of nervousness, aching back or kinda like that then goverment pays money a whole life till you die. Everyone understand. In USA i guess people look: "hey this person not work but get free money, fuck you goverment, i cheat you now, won´t pay a damn thing", or something like that.

Why people can´t be friends? why hate other people?

#49 Edited by GazaAli (22542 posts) -

@bforrester420 said:

@GazaAli: Again, these aren't purely socialist economies you're talking about, they're mixed economies. They're capitalist, in base, with various degrees of social policies sprinkled in to ensure the health of the society as a whole.

The U.S. is not a capitalist democracy. We have social security, welfare programs, government funded education, government funded medical insurance (medicare and medicaid), government funded research and infrastructure spending. We're a mixed economy, just like the European nations, we just haven't gone as far with some of our social policies (education and health care particularly).

Which is why I said those "socialist" countries are riddled with issues. Part of these issues is still being unequally divided between socialism and capitalism. Essentially mixed economies are the way to go as they have the best of the two worlds. But the question is, how far a mixed economy leans left or right. I'd never champion the abolition of capitalism as it must have some good to it, and it would be unrealistic any way. But what I'd champion is the adoption of it in the most minimalist way in favor for more socialism pr socialized distributive justice and public institutions.

From the standpoint of proportionality, the U.S is a capitalism par excellence by virtue of relativity and proportionality. A simple comparison between the wealth and affluence of the American wealthiest men and the rest of the population tells me so. A simple examination of the state and form of these social programs you mentioned in relation to the wealth of the nation also tells me the U.S is a capitalism, regardless of the mere existence of "socialist" programs. Finally the juxtaposition of American social programs and some of their European counterparts reinforces the idea that the U.S is a capitalism, or at least the most "capitalist" state in existence today.

This is not necessarily targeted at you, but I find it peculiar that those who defend capitalism most fiercely and systematically feel compelled at a certain threshold to deny and reject a reality where capitalism is believed to exist in. Its like they're somewhere in their conscious aware of the immorality, guilt and inhumanity of capitalism.

#50 Posted by deeliman (2391 posts) -

Guys, don't be so pedantic with a guy that obviously does not speak English fluently.