Excuses. Atheism doesn't teach you to do good the way that religion does. So i think people turn to it as an excuse to live life without moral restrictions.
dissonantblack
I think your parents are supposed to teach you to do good
why many people are becoming atheists nowadays ?
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My religion is I don't know.
Excuses. Atheism doesn't teach you to do good the way that religion does. So i think people turn to it as an excuse to live life without moral restrictions.
dissonantblack
Religion just might be the biggest excuse for blind hate in the modern world. :lol
BTW, if you need the idea that being bad will get you punished by some all-seing beard man in the sky to actually go and be a good person, then you are in fact a pretty shitty person.
So then why are divorce rates, crime rates, (up to and including murder and rape) teen sex, teen pregnancy, and abortion rates higher in more religious areas?Excuses. Atheism doesn't teach you to do good the way that religion does. So i think people turn to it as an excuse to live life without moral restrictions.
dissonantblack
Because they are blind to their own reality. God is there for anyone who truly seeks from their whole mind and heart. It's not about proving that God exists it's more about rejecting God. People blame God for death and any other bad things that happens to them and say "If God was real things like this would not happen". Yet they are ingorant on why things like that happen. It takes alot of research and knowledge to come to the truth and atheist just dont have the "time" to do that.
New Atheism is a fad thats coming to an end but also been exposed as actually hateful. I think more people are irreligious.GulliversTravel
i'm inclined to agree here.
Think most average joe/jane is simply irreligious. not that they have a firm disbelief in anything supernatural (and sometimes where they wanna wage 'war' with the religious). It's just that the domain of religion does not register nor hold nearly as much as sway as it once did.
I mean i would say Irreligion is growing fast, seconded by superficiality of religion, then moderate then zealots.
Just based on my categorizing, by superficiality i mean the joe/jane who whenever it suits them decides to enforce a religious belief/doctrine, or practice like celebrate Eid, Hanukkah or Christmas, but cannot even quote you from their books, and almost never (or ever) got prayer services. then moderate are the folks who have some belief, do practice it out but compromise it with the modern world they live in. then you got the zealots, range from your Muslim guy in a cave plotting, the crazy Jew in Israel forcing women to cover up like it's 1000 BC, etc. etc. but that's just my thought.
[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]New Atheism is a fad thats coming to an end but also been exposed as actually hateful. I think more people are irreligious.SaudiFury
i'm inclined to agree here.
Think most average joe/jane is simply irreligious. not that they have a firm disbelief in anything supernatural (and sometimes where they wanna wage 'war' with the religious). It's just that the domain of religion does not register nor hold nearly as much as sway as it once did.
I mean i would say Irreligion is growing fast, seconded by superficiality of religion, then moderate then zealots.
Just based on my categorizing, by superficiality i mean the joe/jane who whenever it suits them decides to enforce a religious belief/doctrine, or practice like celebrate Eid, Hanukkah or Christmas, but cannot even quote you from their books, and almost never (or ever) got prayer services. then moderate are the folks who have some belief, do practice it out but compromise it with the modern world they live in. then you got the zealots, range from your Muslim guy in a cave plotting, the crazy Jew in Israel forcing women to cover up like it's 1000 BC, etc. etc. but that's just my thought.
You don't need "religion" to find God. Everyone has the abiliity to seek out God for him/herself. Many people look at religion and are turned off. It's understandable but to straight up reject God because of certain religious beliefs is not the way to go.
[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]
[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]New Atheism is a fad thats coming to an end but also been exposed as actually hateful. I think more people are irreligious.whitetiger3521
i'm inclined to agree here.
Think most average joe/jane is simply irreligious. not that they have a firm disbelief in anything supernatural (and sometimes where they wanna wage 'war' with the religious). It's just that the domain of religion does not register nor hold nearly as much as sway as it once did.
I mean i would say Irreligion is growing fast, seconded by superficiality of religion, then moderate then zealots.
Just based on my categorizing, by superficiality i mean the joe/jane who whenever it suits them decides to enforce a religious belief/doctrine, or practice like celebrate Eid, Hanukkah or Christmas, but cannot even quote you from their books, and almost never (or ever) got prayer services. then moderate are the folks who have some belief, do practice it out but compromise it with the modern world they live in. then you got the zealots, range from your Muslim guy in a cave plotting, the crazy Jew in Israel forcing women to cover up like it's 1000 BC, etc. etc. but that's just my thought.
You don't need "religion" to find God. Everyone has the abiliity to seek out God for him/herself. Many people look at religion and are turned off. It's understandable but to straight up reject God because of certain religious beliefs is not the way to go.
sigh... for the sake of avoiding another pointless religious debate on the internet. Clearly i was speaking in general terms. I know you don't have to find God in religion, you can find he/she/it without having a set of doctrine beliefs and stories. I know that very well. Perhaps you missed my point of my post.
Lol asking that question in a video game forum.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]To say it's more about society than religion is a distinction without a difference. And what benefit is there to demonizing individuals? I don't hate homophobes, I just hate homophobia. Homophobes of all stripes are victims - they're victims of a culture that says at it's best it's OK to hate gay people and at it's worst that you should hate gay people, and at least for today religion is the primary promoter of that culture - maybe that will change tomorrow but we're stuck in the present. Bigoted views are a virus, without figuratively tearing down the social institutions that promote that culture and distribute that virus throughout the public, blaming individuals for widely held beliefs doesn't accomplish anything. There's a reason why these views are widespread, if you cut off the head the body will die. MrGeezerApparently you don't get it at all. Someone earlier said something like, "atheists are more likely to have read the Bible than Christians, that's precisely why they're atheists." That's confirmation that there's nothing dangerous about Christianity. The ideas and concepts present aren't particularly infectious or corrupting, or else it wouldn't be turning so many people away from christianity. Anything dangerous about it is entirely social. It's entirely about people interacting with other people in order to achieve some desired result. Getting rid of religion doesn't amount to "cutting off the head", because the religion is being used as just a tool. Religion or no religion, people's agenda remains the same. They're still working towards the same goal, whether that's marginalizing a certain group, putting themselves in a position of power, or simply duping people out of their money. Removing religion simply removes one of the potential tools they have at their disposal, they can still resort to such classics as nationalism or politics. At best, all you could argue is that religion is maybe the best tool for manipulating people, but "cutting off the head" is a totally incorrect statement. It's more like taking away someone's gun and then just hoping he can't find another one. If you want to "cut off the head", then you find who is promoting homophobia, identify who they're selling the idea to, and identifying what they intend to get out of it. You demonize individuals because individuals are the ones propagating racism and homophobia for personal gain. Homophobia doesn't promote itself, it needs a human agent.
The point is religion gives people false justification because others say oh you can't criticize someones belief. I'm not saying it's not criticized at all, what I'm saying is because of being scared of ridiculing ridiculous beliefs people can and will do terrible things because of those beliefs. No holy book even gets close to perfect by todays moral standards.
Because they are blind to their own reality. God is there for anyone who truly seeks from their whole mind and heart. It's not about proving that God exists it's more about rejecting God. People blame God for death and any other bad things that happens to them and say "If God was real things like this would not happen". Yet they are ingorant on why things like that happen. It takes alot of research and knowledge to come to the truth and atheist just dont have the "time" to do that.
whitetiger3521
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The point is religion gives people false justification because others say oh you can't criticize someones belief. I'm not saying it's not criticized at all, what I'm saying is because of being scared of ridiculing ridiculous beliefs people can and will do terrible things because of those beliefs. No holy book even gets close to perfect by todays moral standards.FuggaJWhy blame the holy books when it's the failure of humanity that corrupts and distorts teachings? Why square the blame on religion even when you acknowledge that people only use it as much of an excuse to commit atrocities as any ideal such as Liberty, Communism and Nationalism? People will commit terrible acts for selfish reasons, they'll use any ideal as an excuse to justify their actions.
The point is that focusing on religion (even if you're critical of it and hate the religion) is precisely what allows people to get away with using religion as a tool to manipulate and divide. It's focusing attention and blame away from the user and onto the tool. It's precisely the same as when some dude shoots up a school or a mall, and then the media and politicians start talking about guns and video games. We can cut through the bull$*** and see how much that's just a distraction, but we can't do the same thing here? Seriously? For the most part, the problem ISN'T the religion. There's nothing in there which inherently causes bloodshed or intolerance. You can read the texts and listen to the sermons, but you're not gonna convert unless you're already looking for something to convert to. People don't just arbitrarily pick a religion and then adopt its values, it's more like people go with the religion that most closely lines up with the values and beliefs that they already have. And even then, a $***load of people manage to follow the religion without becoming raging bigots, so what's your excuse? This is especially true when talking about things like christianity in the USA, where most followers are casual as $*** about it and only follow the parts that are convenient or that they already agree with. Homophobic text? Okay. But stopping there and damning the religion for causing homophobia is shallow as $***. We ought to be asking why, out of the entire Bible, people choose to selectively adopt the homophobic parts while discarding so much of the rest of it. Why is that the part that they're focusing on and making a big deal about? Whose agenda is that serving, what is that agenda? Who the hell decided to use religion in order to spread homophobia, and what is their interest in trying to convince casual Christians that homosexuality is one of the things that they must oppose as decent Christians? That's what we SHOULD be talking about, yet somehow we never get around to it. Why? Because every time someone does some bad $*** in the name of religion, we just sit there and condemn the religion instead of putting a microscope to the motives and agendas of the people using that religion. Someone does something awful in the name of religion and we just go "OMG, religion bad!" It's EXACTLY the same as the $***storm of scapegoating that people do every time someone grabs a gun and shoots up a school or a church.The point is religion gives people false justification because others say oh you can't criticize someones belief. I'm not saying it's not criticized at all, what I'm saying is because of being scared of ridiculing ridiculous beliefs people can and will do terrible things because of those beliefs. No holy book even gets close to perfect by todays moral standards.
FuggaJ
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]The point is that focusing on religion (even if you're critical of it and hate the religion) is precisely what allows people to get away with using religion as a tool to manipulate and divide. It's focusing attention and blame away from the user and onto the tool. It's precisely the same as when some dude shoots up a school or a mall, and then the media and politicians start talking about guns and video games. We can cut through the bull$*** and see how much that's just a distraction, but we can't do the same thing here? Seriously? For the most part, the problem ISN'T the religion. There's nothing in there which inherently causes bloodshed or intolerance. You can read the texts and listen to the sermons, but you're not gonna convert unless you're already looking for something to convert to. People don't just arbitrarily pick a religion and then adopt its values, it's more like people go with the religion that most closely lines up with the values and beliefs that they already have. And even then, a $***load of people manage to follow the religion without becoming raging bigots, so what's your excuse? This is especially true when talking about things like christianity in the USA, where most followers are casual as $*** about it and only follow the parts that are convenient or that they already agree with. Homophobic text? Okay. But stopping there and damning the religion for causing homophobia is shallow as $***. We ought to be asking why, out of the entire Bible, people choose to selectively adopt the homophobic parts while discarding so much of the rest of it. Why is that the part that they're focusing on and making a big deal about? Whose agenda is that serving, what is that agenda? Who the hell decided to use religion in order to spread homophobia, and what is their interest in trying to convince casual Christians that homosexuality is one of the things that they must oppose as decent Christians? That's what we SHOULD be talking about, yet somehow we never get around to it. Why? Because every time someone does some bad $*** in the name of religion, we just sit there and condemn the religion instead of putting a microscope to the motives and agendas of the people using that religion. Someone does something awful in the name of religion and we just go "OMG, religion bad!" It's EXACTLY the same as the $***storm of scapegoating that people do every time someone grabs a gun and shoots up a school or a church. I'm with you on blaming the individuals but the way I see it blaming the religion is also necessary. Only under the guise of religion can pedophiles be protected, children can be neglected medicine, and people kicked from their homes and slaughtered due to some 'divine' right.The point is religion gives people false justification because others say oh you can't criticize someones belief. I'm not saying it's not criticized at all, what I'm saying is because of being scared of ridiculing ridiculous beliefs people can and will do terrible things because of those beliefs. No holy book even gets close to perfect by todays moral standards.
MrGeezer
[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]Most everything had to be created by a creator.
The only one that could have done and started all this would be a GOD of some kind.
Its FACT no denying that, Pure science, cant go far enough to explain who created the seed of this universe. Someone did.... Who? GOD DID MOFOS 100%, a higher power did.
You don't believe in the Bible or Religion thats fine, but we had to have some sort of Creator to plant the seed to the start of this.worlock77
So what created God?
rofl! he is the uncreated, he has no creator, if you keep asking who created him, then who created the one who created him? it will go on forever and hence you deny creation and deny yourself.
I'm with you on blaming the individuals but the way I see it blaming the religion is also necessary. Only under the guise of religion can pedophiles be protected, children can be neglected medicine, and people kicked from their homes and slaughtered due to some 'divine' right.FuggaJYou are blaming religion when the blame lies with specific individuals. Rather short sighted of you.....
Because science has more evidence and isn't just based on things that people can't see or hear.
Thats why I don't believe in god anyway.
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]I'm with you on blaming the individuals but the way I see it blaming the religion is also necessary. Only under the guise of religion can pedophiles be protected, children can be neglected medicine, and people kicked from their homes and slaughtered due to some 'divine' right.LJS9502_basicYou are blaming religion when the blame lies with specific individuals. Rather short sighted of you..... I didn't say the individuals weren't to blame. What I'm saying is as an institution religion is responsible for some pretty heinous shit on a larger scale than just personal levels and should be done away with. The way I see it it's short sighted to say "Just blame that guy he's not a reeeal 'insert denomination here'." The problem is the person combined with religious influence. Neither one should be above being held accountable.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="FuggaJ"]I'm with you on blaming the individuals but the way I see it blaming the religion is also necessary. Only under the guise of religion can pedophiles be protected, children can be neglected medicine, and people kicked from their homes and slaughtered due to some 'divine' right.FuggaJYou are blaming religion when the blame lies with specific individuals. Rather short sighted of you..... I didn't say the individuals weren't to blame. What I'm saying is as an institution religion is responsible for some pretty heinous shit on a larger scale than just personal levels and should be done away with. The way I see it it's short sighted to say "Just blame that guy he's not a reeeal 'insert denomination here'." The problem is the person combined with religious influence. Neither one should be above being held accountable.Again.....it's the individuals that are to blame. You keep missing that point.
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You are blaming religion when the blame lies with specific individuals. Rather short sighted of you.....LJS9502_basicI didn't say the individuals weren't to blame. What I'm saying is as an institution religion is responsible for some pretty heinous shit on a larger scale than just personal levels and should be done away with. The way I see it it's short sighted to say "Just blame that guy he's not a reeeal 'insert denomination here'." The problem is the person combined with religious influence. Neither one should be above being held accountable.Again.....it's the individuals that are to blame. You keep missing that point. so whats your view on Islam?
Again.....it's the individuals that are to blame. You keep missing that point. so whats your view on Islam? You don't pay attention to my posts do you? I don't agree with Islam....but I don't paint all Muslims as terrorists nor violent. There are good and bad in every group....adherents to Islam are no exception.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="FuggaJ"] I didn't say the individuals weren't to blame. What I'm saying is as an institution religion is responsible for some pretty heinous shit on a larger scale than just personal levels and should be done away with. The way I see it it's short sighted to say "Just blame that guy he's not a reeeal 'insert denomination here'." The problem is the person combined with religious influence. Neither one should be above being held accountable.GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again.....it's the individuals that are to blame. You keep missing that point.LJS9502_basicNo I think you're the one missing it. So here it is simplified: Religion is shit, any good that comes from it doesn't outweigh the bad. It's useless in the modern world and we should get rid of it because it, in reality, serves no other purpose than to give people justification for shitty morals. Your post is shit. That's not true in the least. The vast MAJORITY of religious people are living decent peaceful lives just the same as non religious. To believe the loud MINORITY is the face of a religion is ignorant, naive, close minded, and frankly rather stupid. Take any group you want......there are terrible people within that group. That doesn't mean they all are. You are as much a problem with your intolerance as you make the religious out to be. In effect....you are the reason we have problems within groups. The vile idea that one is superior to others and they should bow to your ideas.Hit a sore spot did I? I never said the bad is in the majority, again you missed the point. They can be decent people without the nonsensical fairy tales. It is a POINTLESS (I can use caps lock too) remnant of the past. Let it go and stop being a fool...
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="FuggaJ"]No I think you're the one missing it. So here it is simplified: Religion is shit, any good that comes from it doesn't outweigh the bad. It's useless in the modern world and we should get rid of it because it, in reality, serves no other purpose than to give people justification for shitty morals. FuggaJYour post is shit. That's not true in the least. The vast MAJORITY of religious people are living decent peaceful lives just the same as non religious. To believe the loud MINORITY is the face of a religion is ignorant, naive, close minded, and frankly rather stupid. Take any group you want......there are terrible people within that group. That doesn't mean they all are. You are as much a problem with your intolerance as you make the religious out to be. In effect....you are the reason we have problems within groups. The vile idea that one is superior to others and they should bow to your ideas.Hit a sore spot did I? I never said the bad is in the majority, again you missed the point. They can be decent people without the nonsensical fairy tales. It is a POINTLESS (I can use caps lock too) remnant of the past. Let it go and stop being a fool... No I just dislike bigotry. And you're a bigot. You are part of the problem....not the solution.
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Your post is shit. That's not true in the least. The vast MAJORITY of religious people are living decent peaceful lives just the same as non religious. To believe the loud MINORITY is the face of a religion is ignorant, naive, close minded, and frankly rather stupid. Take any group you want......there are terrible people within that group. That doesn't mean they all are. You are as much a problem with your intolerance as you make the religious out to be. In effect....you are the reason we have problems within groups. The vile idea that one is superior to others and they should bow to your ideas.LJS9502_basicHit a sore spot did I? I never said the bad is in the majority, again you missed the point. They can be decent people without the nonsensical fairy tales. It is a POINTLESS (I can use caps lock too) remnant of the past. Let it go and stop being a fool... No I just hate bigots. And you're a bigot. The reason we have war is intolerance. Yeah you got me there, dud. I was all for promoting war until you said that. Just because I don't respect a farcical system of belief doesn't make me a bigot by the way ;)
EDIT: Am I a bigot for thinking people that believe the earth is 6000 years old are wrong?
...... "Takes alot of research and truth" yet believes in something he was TOLD as a kid with no research or truth. The hypocrisy of your statement stems to the fact that whenever you indoctrination morons are asked the question "why has God developed us this way?" you morons reply with "His wisdom is infiinite, works in mysterious ways" ..... f*ck off seriously its more like "We don't know whats real more than anyone else on this planet so basically - we don't know. because we dont know if hes even real we just like to think he is"Because they are blind to their own reality. God is there for anyone who truly seeks from their whole mind and heart. It's not about proving that God exists it's more about rejecting God. People blame God for death and any other bad things that happens to them and say "If God was real things like this would not happen". Yet they are ingorant on why things like that happen. It takes alot of research and knowledge to come to the truth and atheist just dont have the "time" to do that.
whitetiger3521
Mfw I probably do more good deeds, and respect most people better than most religious people (I'm technically an atheist by the way) lol.Excuses. Atheism doesn't teach you to do good the way that religion does. So i think people turn to it as an excuse to live life without moral restrictions.
dissonantblack
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]Most everything had to be created by a creator.
The only one that could have done and started all this would be a GOD of some kind.
Its FACT no denying that, Pure science, cant go far enough to explain who created the seed of this universe. Someone did.... Who? GOD DID MOFOS 100%, a higher power did.
You don't believe in the Bible or Religion thats fine, but we had to have some sort of Creator to plant the seed to the start of this.GrayF0X786
So what created God?
rofl! he is the uncreated, he has no creator, if you keep asking who created him, then who created the one who created him? it will go on forever and hence you deny creation and deny yourself. ..... the idea of endless loop is very plausible....... being created does not mean you was "created" by an intelligent being..... especially one who is apparently the creator of the universe and made such a broken species like us. Its like if you religeous people like the idea of some guy in the sky making you flawed, putting you on a planet for 50-100 years to follow rules then get thrown into the naughty or good pile because "mysterious reasons" and accepting such a ill thought out reality. As an agnostic even if there is a god, who says he even cares whats happening? what if he/she/it is dead.... long gone...... or doesn't even know we exist? what if we are the equivilant to some bacteria found on humans that he doesn't even really care is there and is just part of a much bigger cycle. or you know... none of this is correct and we were created by a looped chain of events not caused by a sentient being.... But yea, control mechanisms and superstition created by 1000s of generations of ill educated ancestors with no proof other than their own manipulated writings sounds legit.Fvcking /thread.My religion is I don't know.
The_Lipscomb
Yeah you got me there, dud. I was all for promoting war until you said that. Just because I don't respect a farcical system of belief doesn't make me a bigot by the way ;)Straw man. Which doesn't change the fact that you're a bigot.:)
EDIT: Am I a bigot for thinking people that believe the earth is 6000 years old are wrong?FuggaJ
[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]Fvcking /thread.My religion is I don't know.
jesuschristmonk
Apparently not, because your either a "HipsterTeenage Punk trying to rebel against religion to appear cool" or "Denying God so that you can sin"
MBirdy88Your pictures are out of date. Might want to research.
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]Yeah you got me there, dud. I was all for promoting war until you said that. Just because I don't respect a farcical system of belief doesn't make me a bigot by the way ;)Straw man. Which doesn't change the fact that you're a bigot.:) I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably don't respect NAMBLA's beliefs so I guess you must be a bigot too :o Your logic is infallible...
EDIT: Am I a bigot for thinking people that believe the earth is 6000 years old are wrong?LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]LJS9502_basicYour pictures are out of date. Might want to research. Or you could just provide the rebutal with your post ... kinda fair game at this point.
Straw man. Which doesn't change the fact that you're a bigot.:) I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably don't respect NAMBLA's beliefs so I guess you must be a bigot too :o Your logic is infallible... I don't respect anyone harming another. What they personally believe is of no consequence to me as long as they don't harm another.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="FuggaJ"]Yeah you got me there, dud. I was all for promoting war until you said that. Just because I don't respect a farcical system of belief doesn't make me a bigot by the way ;)
EDIT: Am I a bigot for thinking people that believe the earth is 6000 years old are wrong?FuggaJ
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]MBirdy88Your pictures are out of date. Might want to research. Or you could just provide the rebutal with your post ... kinda fair game at this point. Condoms are allowed for the prevention of disease. You are behind the curve. Not sure what vaccine you are talking about so I won't address that. As for churches...while Rome has money....it is a government....most local churches survive on donations and many are far from wealthy. As for your taxpayer comment....that occurs no matter who visits since security is important. Any head of a government gets the same security. Fail.
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably don't respect NAMBLA's beliefs so I guess you must be a bigot too :o Your logic is infallible... I don't respect anyone harming another. What they personally believe is of no consequence to me as long as they don't harm another.You don't have a problem with people holding the belief that it's okay for an old man to have sex with a little boy? Regardless of anybody acting on the thought or not. I do get what you're saying though, and I want to agree but some beliefs are just outrageous.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Straw man. Which doesn't change the fact that you're a bigot.:)LJS9502_basic
Mfw I probably do more good deeds, and respect most people better than most religious people (I'm technically an atheist by the way) lol.[QUOTE="dissonantblack"]
Excuses. Atheism doesn't teach you to do good the way that religion does. So i think people turn to it as an excuse to live life without moral restrictions.
jesuschristmonk
I always thought that if you need religion to justify being a good person, you're not a good person lol. At least, not genuinely.
And religion is not the only way to learn morality, just the most warped and biased.
rofl! he is the uncreated, he has no creator, if you keep asking who created him, then who created the one who created him? it will go on forever and hence you deny creation and deny yourself.GrayF0X786That's called having your cake and eating it too, logical fallacy. If the universe and everything in it is complex and therefore requires a creator being, then the creator being itself, who is infinitely more complex than it's creation, also requires a creator. You are correct that it's a infinite regress, and that's exactly why god is not the answer tot he mystery of the origins of the universe. Unless you would like to actually prove that god is exempt from the complexity requires a creator rule, rather than just declaring it and simply expecting us to start the discussion from there without questioning it. (which we obviously won't be doing)
I always thought that if you need religion to justify being a good person, you're not a good person lol. At least, not genuinely. And religion is not the only way to learn morality, just the most warped and biased.mrbojangles25
I said this before, and I mean it. If all that keeps someone from running around raping, pillaging, and killing to their hearts content is the idea that an invisible sky daddy might be watching them and will hurt them when they die if they do, not only are they not a good people, but they are dangerous psychopaths who need to be removed from society.
No I think you're the one missing it. So here it is simplified: Religion is shit, any good that comes from it doesn't outweigh the bad. It's useless in the modern world and we should get rid of it because it, in reality, serves no other purpose than to give people justification for shitty morals. FuggaJBull$***, dude. It's just a tool. You just admitted that it does good. You know for a fact that there are a lot of people out there who use religion as a means of promoting love and goodwill. Whether or not more people use it for good or bad, you can't say that it "serves no other purpose than to give people justification for shitty morals" after accepting that people do in fact use it for good.
Bull$***, dude. It's just a tool. You just admitted that it does good. You know for a fact that there are a lot of people out there who use religion as a means of promoting love and goodwill. Whether or not more people use it for good or bad, you can't say that it "serves no other purpose than to give people justification for shitty morals" after accepting that people do in fact is it for good.MrGeezer
Christianity can certainly do a lot of good for the world. It's a philosophy that is so rarely actually practiced though that for the most part it's hard to tell.
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]No I think you're the one missing it. So here it is simplified: Religion is shit, any good that comes from it doesn't outweigh the bad. It's useless in the modern world and we should get rid of it because it, in reality, serves no other purpose than to give people justification for shitty morals. MrGeezerBull$***, dude. It's just a tool. You just admitted that it does good. You know for a fact that there are a lot of people out there who use religion as a means of promoting love and goodwill. Whether or not more people use it for good or bad, you can't say that it "serves no other purpose than to give people justification for shitty morals" after accepting that people do in fact is it for good.Cool it, chief. I could've worded that better it was a mistake in the rhetoric. It does do good, and it does do bad. The good it provides is not unique in and of itself and can come from other sound rational beliefs or institutions. The bad stemming from it is uniquely justified under the guise of being some divine truth. Feel better now?
The bad stemming from it is uniquely justified under the guise of being some divine truth.FuggaJSuch as? I've already stated that religion doesn't do anything good that can't be accomplished through secular means, but the same also applies to the bad. What exactly are the bad things that can only be done uniquely through religion?
in most countries nowadays there is no authority making people participate in religion.
there is more freedom for people's common sense to kick in and their fear to abate.
science has explained a lot of the phenomina that caused panic in past cultures. such as weather, disasters, blights. so most people don't try as a last resort to please their "gods" to avoid this.
because of the lack of control the religious authority has over most peoples today we actually get to find out the kind of people they are and how wrong many of their thought processes are. so we see not to follow them by their own example.
whether atheist or agnostic, i believe this is a step in the right direction. there was_is some presence of energy that has been expanding outward and eventually coelescing back into "Planck Time". for who knows how long or how many times, maybe this is the first. but, i do not believe this is a thinking_decision making presence. maybe that better describes the omniscience of "god": has no need for thought because the particles are going to keep doing what they're supposed to do forever.
[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]The bad stemming from it is uniquely justified under the guise of being some divine truth.MrGeezerSuch as? I've already stated that religion doesn't do anything good that can't be accomplished through secular means, but the same also applies to the bad. What exactly are the bad things that can only be done uniquely through religion? Circumcision, Gender inequality (mainly talking about things like women being punished or even executed for things like adultery), Israel vs Palestine situation, not giving a child medicine because you can pray instead. And I didn't say the bad things are unique, even though I'm not sure that all of the former things would occur without religion, just that the justification for them is usually because god said so and you don't question the Big G.
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