Why does the media portray right wingers as being the violent mass murderers?

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#1 Posted by Moobopper (58 posts) -
I am just curious as to this? Most of the mass murderers have been liberals. Sure there are some exceptions to the rule like the Oklahoma City Bomber but the Unabomber wrote a huge green manifesto... The VT shooter Cho sent his package to MSNBC and he ranted about the elite/rich.
#2 Posted by Chutebox (38719 posts) -

They do? I don't think they do...

#3 Posted by CycleOfViolence (2813 posts) -

I wonder what kraychik thinks about this.

#4 Posted by IdioticIcarus (2167 posts) -

Most of the mass murderers have been liberals. Moobopper

I don't really think this is true.

#5 Posted by Moobopper (58 posts) -

They do? I don't think they do...

Chutebox
Compare Occupy Wallstreet to the Tea Party.
#6 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
The only mass murders are the crazy white people.
#7 Posted by 1PMrFister (3134 posts) -
Most of the mass murderers have been liberals. Moobopper
[Citation needed]
#8 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
I didn't think it did. Demonizing either side through things like this is idiotic.
#9 Posted by RickySandstorum (95 posts) -

[QUOTE="Moobopper"]Most of the mass murderers have been liberals. IdioticIcarus

I don't really think this is true.

Yeah, I think most of the politically motivate mass murderers have probably been Marxists/Socialists, which are actually different from liberals.
#10 Posted by Yusuke420 (2770 posts) -

Naw it's not right wingers the portray as mass murderers, it's crazy white dudes, which is in line with the demographics for mass murder perpetuators (yes I know the DC sniper was black).

#11 Posted by Moobopper (58 posts) -
The only mass murders are the crazy white people.Fightingfan
There have been plenty of "Asian", "black", etc. killers.
#12 Posted by Yusuke420 (2770 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]The only mass murders are the crazy white people.Moobopper
There have been plenty of "Asian", "black", etc. killers.

The bar is Mass Murder, not just killers. Those are commited by predominantly white males.

#13 Posted by zenogandia (861 posts) -

Mass murderes? That's insane, no one portrays them as such. Crazy, insane, delusion, idiots... sure. A large portion of them are, but not murderers.

#14 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
I would like to see statistics that prove that mass murderers are likely white. That's said about serial killers all the time, but whites are actually underrepresented amongst serial murderers.
#15 Posted by Yusuke420 (2770 posts) -

I would like to see statistics that prove that mass murderers are likely white. That's said about serial killers all the time, but whites are actually underrepresented amongst serial murderers.Rhazakna

This

#16 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]I would like to see statistics that prove that mass murderers are likely white. That's said about serial killers all the time, but whites are actually underrepresented amongst serial murderers.Yusuke420

This

Seems to be in order. Their idea that men are more violent because of "male privilege" and socialization and not biology (to some degree at least) seems rather spurious to me, though.
#18 Posted by Yusuke420 (2770 posts) -

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]I would like to see statistics that prove that mass murderers are likely white. That's said about serial killers all the time, but whites are actually underrepresented amongst serial murderers.Rhazakna

This

Seems to be in order. Their idea that men are more violent because of "male privilege" and socialization and not biology (to some degree at least) seems rather spurious to me, though.

Yeah, I didn't agree with that slant either, but you could make a convincing argumemnt that it is a factor.

#19 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]I would like to see statistics that prove that mass murderers are likely white. That's said about serial killers all the time, but whites are actually underrepresented amongst serial murderers.zenogandia

It's quite obvious. When was the last time you heard of a black person commiting a mass murder? Rarely. Yet we had multiple whites last year.

I would think that amongst street gangs, such a thing wouldn't be all that uncommon. Of course, the media doesn't usually report on those killings in general. Also, in general, going by media coverage to glean insight into a demographic trend is a terrible idea.
#20 Posted by 22Toothpicks (11410 posts) -
when does that happen? :/
#21 Posted by Yusuke420 (2770 posts) -

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]I would like to see statistics that prove that mass murderers are likely white. That's said about serial killers all the time, but whites are actually underrepresented amongst serial murderers.Rhazakna

It's quite obvious. When was the last time you heard of a black person commiting a mass murder? Rarely. Yet we had multiple whites last year.

I would think that amongst street gangs, such a thing wouldn't be all that uncommon. Of course, the media doesn't usually report on those killings in general. Also, in general, going by media coverage to glean insight into a demographic trend is a terrible idea.

I can't speak for every where, but gang violence has been on the decline in southern california. It's mostly due to that black gangs have largely stopped fighting each other to deal with the mexican cartels.

#22 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

This

Yusuke420

Seems to be in order. Their idea that men are more violent because of "male privilege" and socialization and not biology (to some degree at least) seems rather spurious to me, though.

Yeah, I didn't agree with that slant either, but you could make a convincing argumemnt that it is a factor.

I really don't think you can make any empirical argument that "male privilege" is a factor in these kinds of crimes. The concept is illusory on its own, let alone as an explanation for things like this. It's likely that assertion comes from nowhere, as I see no basis for it in either study.
#23 Posted by zenogandia (861 posts) -

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]I would like to see statistics that prove that mass murderers are likely white. That's said about serial killers all the time, but whites are actually underrepresented amongst serial murderers.Rhazakna

It's quite obvious. When was the last time you heard of a black person commiting a mass murder? Rarely. Yet we had multiple whites last year.

I would think that amongst street gangs, such a thing wouldn't be all that uncommon. Of course, the media doesn't usually report on those killings in general. Also, in general, going by media coverage to glean insight into a demographic trend is a terrible idea.

But the media does. Aren't blacks potrayed as Violent, thugs, gangsters and more?

There is truth to what you're saying, but it doesn't take away the fact that whites commit these mass murders on schools at a frequent rate. They also are serial killers, how many black serial killers have there been. There must be some, but not as many.

Of course not all white people are like that... obviously it's a minority... but it's there.

#24 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="zenogandia"]It's quite obvious. When was the last time you heard of a black person commiting a mass murder? Rarely. Yet we had multiple whites last year.

zenogandia

I would think that amongst street gangs, such a thing wouldn't be all that uncommon. Of course, the media doesn't usually report on those killings in general. Also, in general, going by media coverage to glean insight into a demographic trend is a terrible idea.

But the media does. Aren't blacks potrayed as Violent, thugs, gangsters and more?

There is truth to what you're saying, but it doesn't take away the fact that whites commit these mass murders on schools at a frequent rate. They also are serial killers, how many black serial killers have there been. There must be some, but not as many.

Of course not all white people are like that... obviously it's a minority... but it's there.

Actually, blacks are overrepresented amongst serial killers and whites are underrepresented. Look up the statistics, it's surprising. Blacks are also overrepresented in advertising, and in films and TV. The idea that blacks are always portrayed as violent psychos in fiction is just absurdly untrue in this day and age. They're more often portrayed as token "black friends" and sych.
#25 Posted by Moobopper (58 posts) -
There are more "white" serial killers but there are more "white" people in general. Off the top of my head Anthony Sowell and the Grim Sleeper were "black". Statistically relative to their populations "blacks" have a higher percentage of serial killers (not that it really matters since serial killers are pretty rare) and one could argue the socio economic conditions and institutionalized racism could be a cause for the slightly higher percentage.
#26 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
[QUOTE="Moobopper"]There are more "white" serial killers but there are more "white" people in general. Off the top of my head Anthony Sowell and the Grim Sleeper were "black". Statistically relative to their populations "blacks" have a higher percentage of serial killers (not that it really matters since serial killers are pretty rare) and one could argue the socio economic conditions and institutionalized racism could be a cause for the slightly higher percentage.

There are more white serial killers in terms of pure numbers, but in terms of rates, whites are underrepresented amongst them.
#27 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

This thread is going to be 200 posts of disaster.

#28 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

This thread is going to be 200 posts of disaster.

jim_shorts
Pretty sure it should have ended with my post but people are silly.
#29 Posted by zenogandia (861 posts) -

I just noticed that every right wing thread ends up being a race thread. Perhaps we should all hug and love each other, before this thing explodes :):oops: Who wants a manly hug?

#30 Posted by 22Toothpicks (11410 posts) -

This thread is going to be 200 posts of disaster.

jim_shorts
given the TC's low level and post count i have a slight suspicion that is his intent
#31 Posted by IdioticIcarus (2167 posts) -

This timeline is interesting. I don't know how complete it is, but it's still interesting.

#32 Posted by Shottayouth13- (6879 posts) -
They generally fit the bill. [spoiler] I kid, I kid. [/spoiler]
#33 Posted by Moobopper (58 posts) -
[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] I would think that amongst street gangs, such a thing wouldn't be all that uncommon. Of course, the media doesn't usually report on those killings in general. Also, in general, going by media coverage to glean insight into a demographic trend is a terrible idea. Rhazakna

But the media does. Aren't blacks potrayed as Violent, thugs, gangsters and more?

There is truth to what you're saying, but it doesn't take away the fact that whites commit these mass murders on schools at a frequent rate. They also are serial killers, how many black serial killers have there been. There must be some, but not as many.

Of course not all white people are like that... obviously it's a minority... but it's there.

Actually, blacks are overrepresented amongst serial killers and whites are underrepresented. Look up the statistics, it's surprising. Blacks are also overrepresented in advertising, and in films and TV. The idea that blacks are always portrayed as violent psychos in fiction is just absurdly untrue in this day and age. They're more often portrayed as token "black friends" and sych.

Media's portrayal of serial killers in general is ridiculous. Serial Killers are not super geniuses like their are usually portrayed as. The serial killer IQs vary but generally the offenders that are unorganized possess a lesser intellect and those that use bombs as their method of murder are more intelligent. I would say it is pretty racist how "blacks" are subjugated to stereotypical roles in Television and movies although it has gotten better.
#34 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="zenogandia"]But the media does. Aren't blacks potrayed as Violent, thugs, gangsters and more?

There is truth to what you're saying, but it doesn't take away the fact that whites commit these mass murders on schools at a frequent rate. They also are serial killers, how many black serial killers have there been. There must be some, but not as many.

Of course not all white people are like that... obviously it's a minority... but it's there.

Moobopper
Actually, blacks are overrepresented amongst serial killers and whites are underrepresented. Look up the statistics, it's surprising. Blacks are also overrepresented in advertising, and in films and TV. The idea that blacks are always portrayed as violent psychos in fiction is just absurdly untrue in this day and age. They're more often portrayed as token "black friends" and sych.

Media's portrayal of serial killers in general is ridiculous. Serial Killers are not super geniuses like their are usually portrayed as. The serial killer IQs vary but generally the offenders that are unorganized possess a lesser intellect and those that use bombs as their method of murder are more intelligent. I would say it is pretty racist how "blacks" are subjugated to stereotypical roles in Television and movies although it has gotten better.

You can argue that blacks are stereotyped on TV, but that stereotype is not one of violent gangsta psychopaths, at least not anymore. The modern stereotype is the unendingly ebullient black friend who has nothing better to do than to help his white bestie with his first world problems. Hell, Italians are stereotyped as gangsters on TV and in movies far more than blacks these days.
#35 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Seems to be in order. Their idea that men are more violent because of "male privilege" and socialization and not biology (to some degree at least) seems rather spurious to me, though.Rhazakna

Yeah, I didn't agree with that slant either, but you could make a convincing argumemnt that it is a factor.

I really don't think you can make any empirical argument that "male privilege" is a factor in these kinds of crimes. The concept is illusory on its own, let alone as an explanation for things like this. It's likely that assertion comes from nowhere, as I see no basis for it in either study.

I'm pretty sure there is evidence that patriarchal masculinity (not masculinity itself, which is completely benign) is largely centered around the rejection of sensitivity and empathy. That's because sensitivity and empathy have mostly been viewed as feminine. While I'm sure that biology also plays a role (testosterone has some influence on emotional sensitivity), I'm sure that socialization plays a significant role as well.
#36 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]Yeah, I didn't agree with that slant either, but you could make a convincing argumemnt that it is a factor.ghoklebutter
I really don't think you can make any empirical argument that "male privilege" is a factor in these kinds of crimes. The concept is illusory on its own, let alone as an explanation for things like this. It's likely that assertion comes from nowhere, as I see no basis for it in either study.

I'm pretty sure there is evidence that patriarchal masculinity (not masculinity itself, which is completely benign) is largely centered around the rejection of sensitivity and empathy. That's because sensitivity and empathy have mostly been viewed as feminine. While I'm sure that biology also plays a role (testosterone has some influence on emotional sensitivity), I'm sure that socialization plays a significant role as well.

Of course socialization has something to do with it, all people are an expression of genes interacting with their environment. But the idea of "male privilege" (a spurious concept to say the least) being a causal factor in mass killings has no empirical basis in those studies, it's just asserted.
#37 Posted by jimkabrhel (15440 posts) -

The media protrays gun owners ingeneral as right-wingers, but not mass murderers. A Gallup poll showed that a higher percentage of self-identified GOPers were gun owners (55-40 or thereabouts), however the percentage of left-wing gun owners was rising.

#38 Posted by toast_burner (22881 posts) -

Well they do tend to be angry all the time but I've never seen them being called mass murderers before.

#39 Posted by Moobopper (58 posts) -

Well they do tend to be angry all the time but I've never seen them being called mass murderers before.

toast_burner
Actually it has been shown that left wingers are more angry... Hell I will admit I am ****ing mad as hell at the world.
#40 Posted by jimkabrhel (15440 posts) -

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Well they do tend to be angry all the time but I've never seen them being called mass murderers before.

Moobopper

Actually it has been shown that left wingers are more angry... Hell I will admit I am ****ing mad as hell at the world.

[citation needed]

#41 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -

[QUOTE="Moobopper"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Well they do tend to be angry all the time but I've never seen them being called mass murderers before.

jimkabrhel

Actually it has been shown that left wingers are more angry... Hell I will admit I am ****ing mad as hell at the world.

[citation needed]

Leftist movements tend to be more open to revolutionary causes, which could be interpreted as being more angry.
#42 Posted by toast_burner (22881 posts) -

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Well they do tend to be angry all the time but I've never seen them being called mass murderers before.

Moobopper

Actually it has been shown that left wingers are more angry... Hell I will admit I am ****ing mad as hell at the world.

Left wingers aren't the ones protesting about other people trying to peacefully live their lives.

#43 Posted by BossPerson (9145 posts) -

lol some guy ranting about elites and rich white boys is now a liberal.

:lol:

#44 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -

[QUOTE="Moobopper"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Well they do tend to be angry all the time but I've never seen them being called mass murderers before.

toast_burner

Actually it has been shown that left wingers are more angry... Hell I will admit I am ****ing mad as hell at the world.

Left wingers aren't the ones protesting about other people trying to peacefully live their lives.

You are overlooking the occupy movement.

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#45 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

lol some guy ranting about elites and rich white boys is now a liberal.

:lol:

BossPerson
Leftists are now everyone who disagrees with you, haven't you heard?
#46 Posted by leviathan91 (7763 posts) -

I haven't noticed it from the media but one particular trend that is troubling is how most cartoonists portray the NRA and assault weapons.

There's so much ignorance and stupidity, I think it's starting to be contagious. Generalizations are for the weak-minded and foolish, and anyone has the capacity to do evil deeds regardless of their political affiliation or beliefs. We've seen people who espoused hatred towards the "elites" as well as kill abortion doctors, b they're not representatives of anyone. They're nothing but sick and twisted individuals who took their ideology too far.

#47 Posted by sonicare (53676 posts) -

Most of these shooters have been young males. No idea about their political ideology. Virginia Tech shooter was not white male btw.