Why do people become vegans and vegetarians?

[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

Oh the talkative... :P

"Some people simply do not like the taste of meat, "
These are some mental issues young man... you must have had some bad experiences while u were younger...
Becoz people... Eat meat for CENTURIES... That's just my opinion so don't get offenced... :)

Matthew-first

This is what I'm talking about. The harassment, the ridicule and the outright rudeness. There isn't anything wrong with me mentally, there might however be something wrong with your mental capacity. Mine remains intact though. Thanks for caring, though. ^_^

The finding helps build the case that meat-eating helped the human lineage evolve large brains, scientists added.

"I know this will sound awful to vegetarians, but meat made us human," said researcher Manuel Domínguez-Rodrigo, an archaeologist at Complutense University in Madrid.

http://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html

heard about that last year.

By not eating meat people would deevolve according to the newest science. :P

You pick.

- Don't like the idea of killing animals
- Don't like the ethical treatment of animals
- Don't like the idea of how we produce meat in factories, ie they would be ok with it if it were hunted
- Don't like the idea of eating something that was alive
- Don't like the taste
- Alternate healthly eating life style. e.g the nutrition we get from meat is unnecessary if we can get it from a pill

These are some off the top of my head.

trugs26

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]

This is what I'm talking about. The harassment, the ridicule and the outright rudeness. There isn't anything wrong with me mentally, there might however be something wrong with your mental capacity. Mine remains intact though. Thanks for caring, though. ^_^

zenogandia

The finding helps build the case that meat-eating helped the human lineage evolve large brains, scientists added.

"I know this will sound awful to vegetarians, but meat made us human," said researcher Manuel Domínguez-Rodrigo, an archaeologist at Complutense University in Madrid.

http://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html

heard about that last year.

By not eating meat people would deevolve according to the newest science. :P

You pick.

dunno, I find that it is juat a very specific type of vegetarians and vegans that are a pain, most are not. Just the Overly holy ones who has too much blind faith and not enough research.

People who chose it after evaluated thought and personal preferences are all fine ^^

The ones claiming it is unnatural for humans to eat meat, should retake basic genetics in school though. It is fine chosing not to eat meat, but do NOT try to make something up that can be disputed through history and scientific study.

But as Ive allready stated, those are just a minority, the ones I prefer to think of as "religiously vegetarian" And the ones commenting on the addetives in meat, shouldreally look into what vegetables are sprayied with over the growth period, and how much is stuck in it.

In the end anyone caring about what they eat, vegetarian or not, all eat relatively healthy atleast within the bounds that we can control.

So the people that goes vegans and vegetarians? allready been stated countless times in this thread, and all are valid.

Nastik Hindu, though my eating habits might change due to lactose intolerance. I'm always hungry:P.

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

I feel like I hear more people complaining about annoying vegetarians than I do actual annoying vegetarians. All of the people I know who are vegetarians never even brought it up until we actually had a meal together.

SystemsGO

I agree with this. People like you, for no one reason like to bring things like vegetarians to the forefront and bash them because they feel inadequate about something in their own lives. Perhaps you're overweight, and it bothers you for that reason? Then again, I'm not here to find out your lifestyle, or complain about it.

As a vegetarian I can tell you that myself personally, I never even mention the fact that I am a vegetarian unless a meat product is offered to me, in which case I politely say "No thank you, I'm vegetarian", and move on with my life. I am not an advocate for Vegetarians, and I don't care that others are, or aren't vegetarian. There are few who do, just like with any subculture, be it religion, or meat eaters alike. Everyone brags about something, and insists you try it or you're not socially acceptable in their eyes. If that's the case write those people off like I have. I'm also not religion but Christians insist on coming to my doorstep to tell me why I need to be saved. If a christian finds out I'm not religious they insist on being rude, and claiming I'll go to hell, etc..

One fact that I can give to you as a vegetarian is than when others find out you're a vegetarian you receive more harassment than you would for anything else. People will start eating their lunch meat sandwiches and ask you why you don't eat it, because it's soo good, even though you've already explained it to them. People tell you "I'm going to make you eat meat, you're going to go out to eat me and we're going to eat meat", or "You're weird, why don't you eat meat?". It's the same thing over and over again.

If you must know why I'm a vegetarian, before you ask I'll go ahead and tell you. It's not because I am disgusted by the fact that I'm eating an animal, or because of animal rights(I find animal rights annoying), but it's because I do not like meat, plain and simple. I've been this way since child hood. My parents have sent me to psychiatrists, hypnotists etc, trying to correct the issue. When really, I just don't have the taste required for meat. It makes me gag, it makes me sick. I don't care if others eat meat around me, I don't ask them why they're not vegetarians, or why they eat animals. Here you are though.. Asking why we're vegetarians? LOL The irony.

So they can act like they're better than everyone else.

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

I am completely 100% normal healthy meat eating human :D
Vegetarians are just a minority. But do whatever you want... I'm just saying Eating meat is the most normal thing in the world. :)

EVEN.

"Fragments of a 1.5-million-year-old skull from a child recently found in Tanzania suggest early hominids weren't just occasional carnivores but regular meat eaters, researchers say.

The finding helps build the case that meat-eating helped the human lineage evolve large brains, scientists added.

"I know this will sound awful to vegetarians, but meat made us human," said researcher Manuel Domínguez-Rodrigo, an archaeologist at Complutense University in Madrid.

http://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html

heard about that last year.

By not eating meat people would deevolve according to the newest science. :P

You pick.

Matthew-first

[QUOTE="trugs26"]

- Don't like the idea of killing animals
- Don't like the ethical treatment of animals
- Don't like the idea of how we produce meat in factories, ie they would be ok with it if it were hunted
- Don't like the idea of eating something that was alive
- Don't like the taste
- Alternate healthly eating life style. e.g the nutrition we get from meat is unnecessary if we can get it from a pill

These are some off the top of my head.

Matthew-first

Peaceful is a relative term. Animals having their throats slit while they're unconcsious is more peaceful than while they're fully conscious, but not by a hell of a lot. I doubt there's any really peaceful way to slit an animal's throat. They're also pretty aware of what's going on, as evidenced by the tendency of cattle to occasionally try to jump the line while they're awaiting slaughter. Sugarcoat it all you want, but you're still killing an animal and there's no truly peaceful way to do that.

I hope you do also realize that there are other negative results of a meat-heavy diet. For instance, meat takes far more water and nutrients to raise and sell than fruits, vegetables, and legumes. Beef, especially, consumes a great deal of resources in production, and current meat consumption in the U.S. is unsustainable.

There's a difference between vegetative life and conscious life. If you're going to go the "animals in the wild eat each route," then animals in the wild also do plenty of things that we humans consider immoral or inappropriate, that's no justification.

There are plenty of plant sources of protein, beans and legumes specifically.

I'm a vegetarian except on certain holidays. I just don't like meat, I think it's nasty. I don't give a sh*t if anyone else eats it though.

having huge vaginas

I feel like I hear more people complaining about annoying vegetarians than I do actual annoying vegetarians. All of the people I know who are vegetarians never even brought it up until we actually had a meal together.

metroidfood

Various reasons. Way too many for me to list.

- Don't like the idea of killing animals
- Don't like the ethical treatment of animals
- Don't like the idea of how we produce meat in factories, ie they would be ok with it if it were hunted
- Don't like the idea of eating something that was alive
- Don't like the taste
- Alternate healthly eating life style. e.g the nutrition we get from meat is unnecessary if we can get it from a pill

These are some off the top of my head.

trugs26

Also I have to question the sanity of anybody who thinks it's morally justifiable to slaughter animals by any means.

I could never see myself becoming a vegetarian. Most of my favorite foods are not vegetables or fruits.

I'm not a vegetarian, but the one thing that could make me vegetarian (but ultimately won't because I like meat) is the way animals are treated. It's not the killing per se, since animals today are killed with relatively humane methods, it's how they're treated in life. Like, living their entire life in a box, the way they're fed, the way they're transported, and so on. The killing is shocking if you've never seen it but is relatively humane. At least considering the old ways of how you would kill cattle, pigs, goats, etc. I remember how my grandfather killed rabbits. A couple of huge blows with his fist to the rabbit's head!

I'm not a vegetarian, but the one thing that could make me vegetarian (but ultimately won't because I like meat) is the way animals are treated. It's not the killing per se, since animals today are killed with relatively humane methods, it's how they're treated in life. Like, living their entire life in a box, the way they're fed, the way they're transported, and so on. The killing is shocking if you've never seen it but is relatively humane. At least considering the old ways of how you would kill cattle, pigs, goats, etc. I remember how my grandfather killed rabbits. A couple of huge blows with his fist to the rabbit's head!

nunovlopes

I believe that eventually men will be able to use technology to produce whatever food we need in a lab, like beef, pork chops, chicken breasts, whatever. No animals will need to be killed, no straining on Earth's resources, and so on. 500 years from now we'll be seen as savages, in the same way we see men from 500 years ago as savages for their treatment of slaves.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I'm not a vegetarian, but the one thing that could make me vegetarian (but ultimately won't because I like meat) is the way animals are treated. It's not the killing per se, since animals today are killed with relatively humane methods, it's how they're treated in life. Like, living their entire life in a box, the way they're fed, the way they're transported, and so on. The killing is shocking if you've never seen it but is relatively humane. At least considering the old ways of how you would kill cattle, pigs, goats, etc. I remember how my grandfather killed rabbits. A couple of huge blows with his fist to the rabbit's head!

Nibroc420

I'm full aware of that.

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]Scientist also forgot that there things that substitute meat.:?

zenogandia

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="trugs26"]

- Don't like the idea of killing animals
- Don't like the ethical treatment of animals
- Don't like the idea of how we produce meat in factories, ie they would be ok with it if it were hunted
- Don't like the idea of eating something that was alive
- Don't like the taste
- Alternate healthly eating life style. e.g the nutrition we get from meat is unnecessary if we can get it from a pill

These are some off the top of my head.

theone86

Peaceful is a relative term. Animals having their throats slit while they're unconcsious is more peaceful than while they're fully conscious, but not by a hell of a lot. I doubt there's any really peaceful way to slit an animal's throat. They're also pretty aware of what's going on, as evidenced by the tendency of cattle to occasionally try to jump the line while they're awaiting slaughter. Sugarcoat it all you want, but you're still killing an animal and there's no truly peaceful way to do that.

I hope you do also realize that there are other negative results of a meat-heavy diet. For instance, meat takes far more water and nutrients to raise and sell than fruits, vegetables, and legumes. Beef, especially, consumes a great deal of resources in production, and current meat consumption in the U.S. is unsustainable.

There's a difference between vegetative life and conscious life. If you're going to go the "animals in the wild eat each route," then animals in the wild also do plenty of things that we humans consider immoral or inappropriate, that's no justification.

There are plenty of plant sources of protein, beans and legumes specifically.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

I eat meat though I don't like HOW they are killed... so I buy at the butcher. Animals treated peacfully. From farms.

Eating something that was alive...
That's how world works.

PILLS?? Vitamins consisted in Pills are much much much less assimilated by your organism than from real products.
(at least that's what I did learn on biology, microbiology, dietetics, food science and nutrition at school :) )

And one more thing :D


Once again. That's how world works. :P :)

Matthew-first

Peaceful is a relative term. Animals having their throats slit while they're unconcsious is more peaceful than while they're fully conscious, but not by a hell of a lot. I doubt there's any really peaceful way to slit an animal's throat. They're also pretty aware of what's going on, as evidenced by the tendency of cattle to occasionally try to jump the line while they're awaiting slaughter. Sugarcoat it all you want, but you're still killing an animal and there's no truly peaceful way to do that.

I hope you do also realize that there are other negative results of a meat-heavy diet. For instance, meat takes far more water and nutrients to raise and sell than fruits, vegetables, and legumes. Beef, especially, consumes a great deal of resources in production, and current meat consumption in the U.S. is unsustainable.

There's a difference between vegetative life and conscious life. If you're going to go the "animals in the wild eat each route," then animals in the wild also do plenty of things that we humans consider immoral or inappropriate, that's no justification.

There are plenty of plant sources of protein, beans and legumes specifically.

Slit throat is mainly a Cosha thing. a bolt gun is something that is mainly used here in the UK not sure what its like in the US but I can not picture some body taking to the time to slit all those guns throats. a bolt gun to the head does the job and is painless before they know what is happening or what it will do its all over and no pain felt instant. and if they have lived on a farm that has treated them well I dont see the problem. well looked after animals living happy lives and a instant painless defo dont think thats a bad way

Perhaps because they don't like the cruel meat industry?

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Peaceful is a relative term. Animals having their throats slit while they're unconcsious is more peaceful than while they're fully conscious, but not by a hell of a lot. I doubt there's any really peaceful way to slit an animal's throat. They're also pretty aware of what's going on, as evidenced by the tendency of cattle to occasionally try to jump the line while they're awaiting slaughter. Sugarcoat it all you want, but you're still killing an animal and there's no truly peaceful way to do that.

I hope you do also realize that there are other negative results of a meat-heavy diet. For instance, meat takes far more water and nutrients to raise and sell than fruits, vegetables, and legumes. Beef, especially, consumes a great deal of resources in production, and current meat consumption in the U.S. is unsustainable.

There's a difference between vegetative life and conscious life. If you're going to go the "animals in the wild eat each route," then animals in the wild also do plenty of things that we humans consider immoral or inappropriate, that's no justification.

There are plenty of plant sources of protein, beans and legumes specifically.

ziggyww

Slit throat is mainly a Cosha thing. a bolt gun is something that is mainly used here in the UK not sure what its like in the US but I can not picture some body taking to the time to slit all those guns throats. a bolt gun to the head does the job and is painless before they know what is happening or what it will do its all over and no pain felt instant. and if they have lived on a farm that has treated them well I dont see the problem. well looked after animals living happy lives and a instant painless defo dont think thats a bad way

Bolt guns are used to stun cattle, after which their throat is slit.

The meat industry has no respect for food, no respect for life. Chickens so fat they break their legs trying to walk, cows spending their whole life standing in their own schit, pumped with hormones and antibiotics, feeding corn instead of grass give them ulcers and tumors, these sad terrified animals are slaughtered and rendered, packaged and straight to your plate "mmmm MMmmmm" nice sausage of cow lips and a$$holes (totally healthy and inspected by the USDA of course.)

Not saying ppl should not eat meat, after all it is the circle of life, just because "society" says XYZ is illegal does not make it immoral, it is simply the wishes of the majority who are not necessarily right or enlightened but they are the majority. Nothing that animals (including humans) do is "immoral", killing and dominating and coercing is not anymore "immoral" than going to the bathroom.

This is simply a commentary that as predators, as the dominant species on Earth, it benefits and behooves us to treat the lower animals a little better, to let them at least have their natural life before eating them, to let them run around in the grass and just have a normal life, and in the end to make their slaughter as quick and painless as possible, with thanks to all higher powers for this bounty.

I don't think anyone wants to eat misery meat with diseased ass cancer for dinner.

Not that the veggie industry isn't equally f*cked up with their frankenstein seeds and genetically modified Monsanto petrochemical poison food growth.

It's not about what people choose to eat.

It's about an economic system that drives a "race to the bottom" mentality where 3-4 mega corps buy up all the family farms or drive them out of business to use low quality labor and treat our food like garbage.

Luckily I have been overseas a few places and the food is orders of magnitude better, fresh fruits and vegetables taste incredible, I think it was in Spain that I dicovered that the bones of chickens aren't supposed to be brown like Perdue. I had bread and cheese at an airport in Switzerland, just bread and cheese, but it tasted so incredible I had to go back and get 2-3 more for the family, everyone was like "omg why does this taste so good."

And then you come back to the states it's like....f*cking Wonder bread, f*cking Perdue, Kraft cheese taste like schit, everything is Megacorp food.

Thankfully I live in a place with diverse community and I know where to get good quality food.

Perhaps because they don't like the cruel meat industry?

TheFlush

Every group has someone annoying. Not just vegetarians and vegans.

Another thing is that I'll spread messages about veganism regardless of the opinions of majority. Just because you "don't like it" doesn't mean we are shoving our views. I will talk about veganism but if people don't want to listen then they don't have to. I give people the option whether they want to know about the facts on factory farming or not.

The only time I talk about veganism in people's face is pretty much when people ask me about it. I do not use the "PETA" kind of approach but rather talk to them in a calm manner. I've learned many things about being vegan and noticed that more are willing to listen if I use a more positive approach rather than the "meat is murder" attitude. Let's not forget that almost everything at some point of their lives will talk about something they strongly believe in, especially in terms of politics and religion.

There's nothing wrong with talking about what you feel strong about but what you have to be careful for is how you approach to others. If you ever get to know me personally, you will see that I'm not not like on of those vegans who have those "meat eaters should go to hell" attitude. I became more tolerant of differences and accepted that we have so many flaws that no one is morally perfect.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

Perhaps because they don't like the cruel meat industry?

themajormayor

Pretty much why i became vegan.I don't go around telling people not to eat meat.They can eat what they like.I just want people to respect why i don't eat meat ¬¬

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="TheFlush"]

Perhaps because they don't like the cruel meat industry?

Kats_RK

Pretty much why i became vegan.I don't go around telling people not to eat meat.They can eat what they like.I just want people to respect why i don't eat meat ¬¬

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Peaceful is a relative term. Animals having their throats slit while they're unconcsious is more peaceful than while they're fully conscious, but not by a hell of a lot. I doubt there's any really peaceful way to slit an animal's throat. They're also pretty aware of what's going on, as evidenced by the tendency of cattle to occasionally try to jump the line while they're awaiting slaughter. Sugarcoat it all you want, but you're still killing an animal and there's no truly peaceful way to do that.

I hope you do also realize that there are other negative results of a meat-heavy diet. For instance, meat takes far more water and nutrients to raise and sell than fruits, vegetables, and legumes. Beef, especially, consumes a great deal of resources in production, and current meat consumption in the U.S. is unsustainable.

There's a difference between vegetative life and conscious life. If you're going to go the "animals in the wild eat each route," then animals in the wild also do plenty of things that we humans consider immoral or inappropriate, that's no justification.

There are plenty of plant sources of protein, beans and legumes specifically.

ziggyww

Slit throat is mainly a Cosha thing. a bolt gun is something that is mainly used here in the UK not sure what its like in the US but I can not picture some body taking to the time to slit all those guns throats. a bolt gun to the head does the job and is painless before they know what is happening or what it will do its all over and no pain felt instant. and if they have lived on a farm that has treated them well I dont see the problem. well looked after animals living happy lives and a instant painless defo dont think thats a bad way

Beats me... I would get really bored at the lack of variety after a week or so if I tried a vegan diet. Would be really hard to get the protein I require for weight training too.

The thing about me, that religious fanatics should learn is that I don't try to convert people. It's a personal thing, but I don't need to shove down anyones throat. If they want to convert they'll do it on their own.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

I eat meat though I don't like HOW they are killed... so I buy at the butcher. Animals treated peacfully. From farms.

Eating something that was alive...
That's how world works.

PILLS?? Vitamins consisted in Pills are much much much less assimilated by your organism than from real products.
(at least that's what I did learn on biology, microbiology, dietetics, food science and nutrition at school :) )

And one more thing :D


Once again. That's how world works. :P :)

Matthew-first

Peaceful is a relative term. Animals having their throats slit while they're unconcsious is more peaceful than while they're fully conscious, but not by a hell of a lot. I doubt there's any really peaceful way to slit an animal's throat. They're also pretty aware of what's going on, as evidenced by the tendency of cattle to occasionally try to jump the line while they're awaiting slaughter. Sugarcoat it all you want, but you're still killing an animal and there's no truly peaceful way to do that.

I hope you do also realize that there are other negative results of a meat-heavy diet. For instance, meat takes far more water and nutrients to raise and sell than fruits, vegetables, and legumes. Beef, especially, consumes a great deal of resources in production, and current meat consumption in the U.S. is unsustainable.

There's a difference between vegetative life and conscious life. If you're going to go the "animals in the wild eat each route," then animals in the wild also do plenty of things that we humans consider immoral or inappropriate, that's no justification.

There are plenty of plant sources of protein, beans and legumes specifically.

i may i ask what you use in sub of surgar? Don't tell me you use sweet low thats used to kill lab rats...

also i 100% agree on the frog thing. i refuse to eat somethings because, the kill/growth method. ducks, lobsters, ect

I'm a Vegetarian just for ethical reasons but I don't pester people about it as everyone is different and has different dietary needs. I can sustain myself perfectly fine a vegetarian diet but for other people that might not be practical.

Vegetables and fruits are a very healthy choice of diet as it acts as an antioxidant and has many more healthy benefits.

However, there are still some amino acids and proteins that are only present as a sufficent amount in meat.

Beats me... I would get really bored at the lack of variety after a week or so if I tried a vegan diet. Would be really hard to get the protein I require for weight training too.

nooblet69

I've tried more foods since I've gone vegetarian than when I ate meat. There are a lot of vegetables that work very well as a main course (eggplant, protabello mushrooms) and there are lots of different ways to prepare them. There are soups, gespacho, very tasty salads, plenty of things to eat without getting bored. As for protein, there's beans, nuts, legumes, and foods made from them like hommus. There are also supplements. Arian Foster is a vegan, if he can do it then anyone can.

I blame the liberal media.