Why are liberals so emotional and irrational?

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#51 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1638 posts) -

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Someone taking responsibility for his own life and expenses rather than having the government steal money from people to buy stuff for others is in no way the equivalent of having your house catch on fire and dumping gasoline on it to try to put it out. That is one of the worst analogies I have ever seen.Laihendi

The issue is that you're only makes the problem worse. It in no way solves the underlying issues (besides being completely unreasonable at this point). Hence the analogy. Honestly, if that was Ron Paul's actual suggestion, that probably the greatest amount of idiocy I've seen expressed on the issue. I'd wager an hour of research could have avoided that.

How is someone taking responsibility for his own expenses making anything worse? What underlying issues are solved by socialized healthcare as opposed to people simply taking responsibility for their own healthcare?

Right... because the for-profit insurance industry that we have here in America is working just great.

#52 Posted by soulless4now (41381 posts) -

Another thread that of course has Obama's name in it.

Shocker.

#53 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]How is someone taking responsibility for his own expenses making anything worse? What underlying issues are solved by socialized healthcare as opposed to people simply taking responsibility for their own healthcare?Kickinurass

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

#54 Posted by coolbeans90 (21305 posts) -

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Abbeten

#55 Posted by 22Toothpicks (11290 posts) -
^^Eh?
#56 Posted by coolbeans90 (21305 posts) -

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#57 Posted by Abbeten (2898 posts) -

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]How is someone taking responsibility for his own expenses making anything worse? What underlying issues are solved by socialized healthcare as opposed to people simply taking responsibility for their own healthcare?Laihendi

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets
#58 Posted by princeofshapeir (14277 posts) -
Smells like /pol/
#59 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
Smells like /pol/ princeofshapeir
He's not blaming all the worlds problems on the Jews or blacks so I think he's got a ways to go before he's /pol/ tier. His irrationality is on par with most posters there though.
#60 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]How is someone taking responsibility for his own expenses making anything worse? What underlying issues are solved by socialized healthcare as opposed to people simply taking responsibility for their own healthcare?Laihendi

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

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#61 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets

He must have loved GTA4's health care system. 911 operator tells you to have your credit card ready for the parademics.
#62 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets

You are letting your emotions get in the way of rational. We could solve world hunger with those disposed of through this healthcare system. After all scooping up dead hobos and processing them won't be regulated.
#63 Posted by PannicAtack (21037 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets

I knew this would be a funny thread.
#64 Posted by Aljosa23 (25131 posts) -

Typical Laihendi spilling out his retardations. *yawn*

#65 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets

Liberals are so generous with other people's money. If they see someone dying in the streets they won't drive him to a hospital and buy him medical care, but they will complain about how everyone should get free healthcare while also almost inevitably being against tax increases for themselves. I guess they think the rich should just pay for everything for everyone. It is absurd.
#66 Posted by Kickinurass (3357 posts) -

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Laihendi

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

#67 Posted by Abbeten (2898 posts) -
[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Laihendi
so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets

Liberals are so generous with other people's money. If they see someone dying in the streets they won't drive him to a hospital and buy him medical care, but they will complain about how everyone should get free healthcare while also almost inevitably being against tax increases for themselves. I guess they think the rich should just pay for everything for everyone. It is absurd.

oh what a broad brush you paint with it's also cute that you think it absurd to advocate for higher marginal tax rates on the wealthy while also considering it completely rational to let poor people die in the street of preventable illnesses i think there's a word for that. the word is 'sociopathic'
#68 Posted by 22Toothpicks (11290 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets



I've never heard anyone argue in opposition to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

#69 Posted by PannicAtack (21037 posts) -

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

22Toothpicks

so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets



I've never heard anyone argue in opposition to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

You have now!
#70 Posted by 22Toothpicks (11290 posts) -
[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streetsPannicAtack



I've never heard anyone argue in opposition to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

You have now!

*crosse it off list* Yup, that's everything.
#71 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streets

Liberals are so generous with other people's money. If they see someone dying in the streets they won't drive him to a hospital and buy him medical care, but they will complain about how everyone should get free healthcare while also almost inevitably being against tax increases for themselves. I guess they think the rich should just pay for everything for everyone. It is absurd.

oh what a broad brush you paint with it's also cute that you think it absurd to advocate for higher marginal tax rates on the wealthy while also considering it completely rational to let poor people die in the street of preventable illnesses i think there's a word for that. the word is 'sociopathic'

"Everyone has a right to live no matter what anyone says. Unless you're poor"
#72 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Kickinurass

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

1. If someone can't afford his own expenses then he should find someone who will voluntarily help him. Again, not being able to afford something you need is not a justification for theft. 2. I think a decent idea would be for hospitals to accept emergency patients the first time and give them a bill afterwards, and then just ban them from any future care until they pay for it.
#73 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -

Guys

Guys

Did you see what happened today?

The boy scouts are lifting their ban on gay members.

You see? The free market works. Albeit taking 12 years. But yes. It took the free market 12 years to fix something.

Now think of how long that dead body will lie rotting on the street before the free market does something.

#74 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -

Guys

Guys

Did you see what happened today?

The boy scouts are lifting their ban on gay members.

You see? The free market works. Albeit taking 12 years. But yes. It took the free market 12 years to fix something.

Now think of how long that dead body will lie rotting on the street before the free market does something.

DroidPhysX
If you have a problem with Boy Scouts then find a different organization to join or make your own. The Boy Scouts weren't harming anyone but themselves by not letting homosexuals join.
#75 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Guys

Guys

Did you see what happened today?

The boy scouts are lifting their ban on gay members.

You see? The free market works. Albeit taking 12 years. But yes. It took the free market 12 years to fix something.

Now think of how long that dead body will lie rotting on the street before the free market does something.

Laihendi
If you have a problem with Boy Scouts then find a different organization to join or make your own. The Boy Scouts weren't harming anyone but themselves by not letting homosexuals join.

That's irrelevant to how the free market took twelve years to fix something that could have been settled in 2001.
#76 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
I am liberal and emotional, although my liberalism and my emotionality are largely unrelated.
#77 Posted by Kickinurass (3357 posts) -

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Laihendi

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

1. If someone can't afford his own expenses then he should find someone who will voluntarily help him. Again, not being able to afford something you need is not a justification for theft. 2. I think a decent idea would be for hospitals to accept emergency patients the first time and give them a bill afterwards, and then just ban them from any future care until they pay for it.

Charity is not going to cover the ~$1 trillion hole (minimum) left by the removal of Medicaid/Medicare. That can't be a serious answer.

#80 Posted by PannicAtack (21037 posts) -
So according to you, taxes are theft. You know what I would consider theft? Reaping the benefits of public highways, public education, public utilities (y'know, like having clean, drinkable water), sanitary food, law enforcement, fire departments, etc etc... And not paying for it.
#81 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1638 posts) -

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Laihendi

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

1. If someone can't afford his own expenses then he should find someone who will voluntarily help him. Again, not being able to afford something you need is not a justification for theft. 2. I think a decent idea would be for hospitals to accept emergency patients the first time and give them a bill afterwards, and then just ban them from any future care until they pay for it.

This line gets me, since for me to understand you, taxation = theft. So basically for the theft to stop, that means no taxation, and without any taxation, that would basically destroy any form of government. I could imagine laihendi calling 911 during an emergency if his ideal world was in place: before an ambulance or police are able to arrive, a credit card transaction must occur over the phone, then when they arrive, further payments may or may not be required in order to establish assistance.

#83 Posted by 22Toothpicks (11290 posts) -
Oh great GlitchSpot is taking a wet dump again. -.-
#84 Posted by Abbeten (2898 posts) -
his parents will pay for him and those people who are unlucky enough to be born to an estranged household or to parents that simply can't afford to pay for any necessary medical treatment, well, surely they can find some generous rich benefactor and if they can't, too bad. that's the price they need to pay to protect his property rights
#85 Posted by 22Toothpicks (11290 posts) -
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]So according to you, taxes are theft. You know what I would consider theft? Reaping the benefits of public highways, public education, public utilities (y'know, like having clean, drinkable water), sanitary food, law enforcement, fire departments, etc etc... And not paying for it.

Excellent point.
#86 Posted by Obviously_Right (5101 posts) -

Aren't you the guy that said Children don't have rights?

#87 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
What's funny is that lai can't afford insurance alone and is either on his state SCHIP program or under his parents plan. Scumbag can't even afford medical care and free loads off the state whilst advocating for people paying for health care themselves
#88 Posted by PannicAtack (21037 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

22Toothpicks

1. If someone can't afford his own expenses then he should find someone who will voluntarily help him. Again, not being able to afford something you need is not a justification for theft. 2. I think a decent idea would be for hospitals to accept emergency patients the first time and give them a bill afterwards, and then just ban them from any future care until they pay for it.

I hope the next time you have a medical emergency you are refused proper medical treament. I'm sure it will be a great learning experience. And I'm not joking.

A bit far, don't you think? Wishing that kind of ill on someone just for their hilariously terrible political and social views?

#89 Posted by 22Toothpicks (11290 posts) -

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] 1. If someone can't afford his own expenses then he should find someone who will voluntarily help him. Again, not being able to afford something you need is not a justification for theft. 2. I think a decent idea would be for hospitals to accept emergency patients the first time and give them a bill afterwards, and then just ban them from any future care until they pay for it.PannicAtack

I hope the next time you have a medical emergency you are refused proper medical treament. I'm sure it will be a great learning experience. And I'm not joking.

A bit far, don't you think? Wishing that kind of ill on someone just for their hilariously terrible political and social views?

Yes. I retract my statement.
#90 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1638 posts) -

Oh great GlitchSpot is taking a wet dump again. -.-22Toothpicks

Yeah was weird, I blinked and 3 posts popped up. But, all is taken care of.

#91 Posted by magicalclick (22845 posts) -
Not going to say much. All I know is, most people are selfish. They don't care ***** about others. There are very few people would look pass beyond self-interest and thinking what is truly right and wrong. They supported a party because the party gives them something. Or they assume the party would do something for them just because of their skin color.
#92 Posted by LLYNCES (381 posts) -

Humans have a tendency to be emotional and irrational when their beliefs are questioned, it isn't just a liberal trait.

#93 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

Humans have a tendency to be emotional and irrational when their beliefs are questioned, it isn't just a liberal trait.

LLYNCES
You could have ended that before the "when" and still be correct.
#94 Posted by dave123321 (34152 posts) -
ian
#95 Posted by Nuck81 (5861 posts) -
And then when you have someone like Ron Paul arguing against medicair and medicaid and saying you shoud just be responsible for your own medical expenses instead of having the government take your money and spend it for you, he gets accused of hating poor and old people.Laihendi
Don't forget that he is racist too.
#96 Posted by GrindingAxe (1641 posts) -
I know the poor suck up a lot of resources, but that's ok. They're poor...they need some help. We as tax payers provide that. If that Pisses you off so much, sorry dude. Majority of the people agree that assistance for the poor Is necessary. Try another country because that fact isn't changing soon.
#97 Posted by Guybrush_3 (8308 posts) -

I have been wondering this for a long time and it still does not make sense to me. Everytime I try to talk to a liberal about issues such as welfare, restrictive sex laws, restrictive gun laws, a politician he likes, etc. they always seem to get very emotional and agitated and it becomes impossible to have a calm, objective, and rational discussion.

For example I have had people say things like I don't care about children just because I am against pre-k in state schools since it is basically a babysitting service funded by tax dollars. Or when I wasn't happy about Obama being elected back in 2008 a bunch of people I knew said I was racist, including some family members even though I don't care about Obama's race at all. They all acted like we should be proud to have a black man elected president while completely ignoring the fact that he was the most unqualified president ever elected and his policies are just more statism like Bush.

These same people criticize conservatives for being "a bunch of old white guys" as if there is anything wrong with being old or white.

And then when you have someone like Ron Paul arguing against medicair and medicaid and saying you shoud just be responsible for your own medical expenses instead of having the government take your money and spend it for you, he gets accused of hating poor and old people. The things they say and believe are just very irrational.

Laihendi

You suck, you're a hater, and you're a racist.

#98 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
Even by your standards Lai, this is an incredibly sh1tty thread.
#99 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

On the subject of emotion and irrationality:

"THIS IS **** I GOT **** BANNED FOR POSTING AN UNPOPULAR OPINION IN THE THREAD FOR **** UNPOPULAR OPINIONS YOUR **** BOARD IS A **** LIE YOU ALL **** IN YOUR MOUTHS AND ACT LIKE YOUR **** GENIUSES FOR **** DOING IT AND YOU TALK **** ABOUT MY MOM WHEN YOU **** BAN ME LIKE SOME **** **** ASS **** BECAUSE YOURE TOO MUCH A **** **** TO TALK **** TO MY FACE"

#100 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -

On the subject of emotion and irrationality:

"THIS IS **** I GOT **** BANNED FOR POSTING AN UNPOPULAR OPINION IN THE THREAD FOR **** UNPOPULAR OPINIONS YOUR **** BOARD IS A **** LIE YOU ALL **** IN YOUR MOUTHS AND ACT LIKE YOUR **** GENIUSES FOR **** DOING IT AND YOU TALK **** ABOUT MY MOM WHEN YOU **** BAN ME LIKE SOME **** **** ASS **** BECAUSE YOURE TOO MUCH A **** **** TO TALK **** TO MY FACE"

-Sun_Tzu-
Who posted that?