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#1  Edited By Renevent42
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...white masculinity is THE problem for America’s colleges...or says a new professor at Boston University:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/9/saida-grundy-boston-university-professor-white-mal/

She also had some nice things to say in general about the white male college demographic categorizing them as a "problem population."

I really don't understand, how in the world is the college fine with this and how exactly is this not blatant racism?

Here are some of her other gems:

http://socawlege.com/boston-university-assistant-professor-saida-grundy-attacks-whites-makes-false-statements-on-twitter/

Man, I just couldn't see a white professor being able to say anything even close to things like this and get away with it. Talk about privilege!

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@Renevent42 said:

...white masculinity is THE problem for America’s colleges...or says a new professor at Boston University:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/9/saida-grundy-boston-university-professor-white-mal/

She also had some nice things to say in general about the white male college demographic categorizing them as a "problem population."

I really don't understand, how in the world is the college fine with this and how exactly is this not blatant racism?

Here are some of her other gems:

http://socawlege.com/boston-university-assistant-professor-saida-grundy-attacks-whites-makes-false-statements-on-twitter/

Man, I just couldn't see a white professor being able to say anything even close to things like this and get away with it. Talk about privilege!

Because white people can't be affected by racism. Duh. Don't you know only white people can be racist?

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What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

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#5 gamerguru100
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@twizded said:

What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

Because white masculinity involves copious amounts of racism, of course.

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What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

If anything I think in the U.S. black masculinity and Hispanic masculinity (machismo) are probably more troublesome than white masculinity. Not that they're aren't white guys doing stupid things to prove their masculinity, but proportionally white people don't seem to commit a lot of violent crime.

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@whipassmt said:
@twizded said:

What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

If anything I think in the U.S. black masculinity and Hispanic masculinity (machismo) are probably more troublesome than white masculinity. Not that they're aren't white guys doing stupid things to prove their masculinity, but proportionally white people don't seem to commit a lot of violent crime.

Everything I've posted in this thread has been sarcasm. I'm making fun of idiots who actually think only whites are racist or incapable of encountering racism.

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After reading more I googled, Saida Grundy is a racist bitch. She doesn't even give a reason why.

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After reading more I googled, Saida Grundy is a racist bitch. She doesn't even give a reason why.

I'm guessing she's one of those Anita Sarkeesian types.

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It's pretty outrageous...the thing that really sticks out is this is essentially sanctioned racism.

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What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

While maybe a generalization taken a bit far, there's some truth to the "tradition" of the white frat house sexist/racist pig cult. I say tradition because it existed long in the past and for some reason is still there today.

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Can't we just hit the people saying stupid sh*t?

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The funny thing is, you replace "white" with any other group and she would be roasted alive for being a racist bigot, "black male population", "jewish male population", "hispanic male population", "gay male populaiton" would cause a ferver.

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@comp_atkins said:

Don't you mean

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@Heirren said:
@twizded said:

What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

While maybe a generalization taken a bit far, there's some truth to the "tradition" of the white frat house sexist/racist pig cult. I say tradition because it existed long in the past and for some reason is still there today.

Are black frat houses beacons of civility or something, or are these things that only happen at white frat houses?

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He probably get bullied in shower room. Although that would be a fantasy for some people.

Are you some people?

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@korvus lol. better!

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@Renevent42 said:
@Heirren said:
@twizded said:

What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

While maybe a generalization taken a bit far, there's some truth to the "tradition" of the white frat house sexist/racist pig cult. I say tradition because it existed long in the past and for some reason is still there today.

Are black frat houses beacons of civility or something, or are these things that only happen at white frat houses?

More often than not I'd say the white centric frat houses fit what I said far more prominently.

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@Heirren said:
@Renevent42 said:
@Heirren said:
@twizded said:

What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

While maybe a generalization taken a bit far, there's some truth to the "tradition" of the white frat house sexist/racist pig cult. I say tradition because it existed long in the past and for some reason is still there today.

Are black frat houses beacons of civility or something, or are these things that only happen at white frat houses?

More often than not I'd say the white centric frat houses fit what I said far more prominently.

And you are basing this off of what? Actual crime/complaint statistics? I wouldn't be too sure of that.

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@Renevent42 said:
@Heirren said:
@Renevent42 said:
@Heirren said:
@twizded said:

What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

While maybe a generalization taken a bit far, there's some truth to the "tradition" of the white frat house sexist/racist pig cult. I say tradition because it existed long in the past and for some reason is still there today.

Are black frat houses beacons of civility or something, or are these things that only happen at white frat houses?

More often than not I'd say the white centric frat houses fit what I said far more prominently.

And you are basing this off of what? Actual crime/complaint statistics? I wouldn't be too sure of that.

No, there's no accurate depiction of grimes in such a manner. I'm going off it being somewhat cultural common knowledge--the fact that there are decades of movies that establish this "culture". The racism is nixed from such but understandably so. Then there's the point that people associate the term "frat house" with young adult white males. I'm not saying there isn't any kind of hate in other groups, either. And you are right, I can't be sure.

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#22  Edited By Renevent42
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@Heirren said:
@Renevent42 said:
@Heirren said:
@Renevent42 said:
@Heirren said:
@twizded said:

What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

While maybe a generalization taken a bit far, there's some truth to the "tradition" of the white frat house sexist/racist pig cult. I say tradition because it existed long in the past and for some reason is still there today.

Are black frat houses beacons of civility or something, or are these things that only happen at white frat houses?

More often than not I'd say the white centric frat houses fit what I said far more prominently.

And you are basing this off of what? Actual crime/complaint statistics? I wouldn't be too sure of that.

No, there's no accurate depiction of grimes in such a manner. I'm going off it being somewhat cultural common knowledge--the fact that there are decades of movies that establish this "culture". The racism is nixed from such but understandably so. Then there's the point that people associate the term "frat house" with young adult white males. I'm not saying there isn't any kind of hate in other groups, either. And you are right, I can't be sure.

What people associate with terms and the reality of things as they exist can be two separate things. This lady made a terribly racist statement, to the point of calling it THE problem for colleges. Not just frat house behavior, but WHITE frat house behavior. The fact is this same behavior is taking place in black frats, and if you actually look at the statistics for crimes on campus things get a little more grim.

The things she said are completely indefensible, and she and Boston University should be absolutely ashamed. Had this been reversed, let's say a white criminologist professor stating that black males are a problem population he would be absolutely eviscerated.

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@Renevent42:

I was generalizing more based on how society in general views such cliques. I stand corrected though as you are correct. For an authority figure to make such claims can be detrimental to decent side of school social. In effect it can actually CREATE a hostility and divergence amongst students. Apologies for not looking into the topic in a more detailed manner.

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@Heirren said:

@Renevent42:

I was generalizing more based on how society in general views such cliques. I stand corrected though as you are correct. For an authority figure to make such claims can be detrimental to decent side of school social. In effect it can actually CREATE a hostility and divergence amongst students. Apologies for not looking into the topic in a more detailed manner.

I think that's really my main problem with this...I don't even understand what the point of hiring a professor like this is. Let's forget the fact she is flat out wrong in some of tweets (for instance the history of slavery stuff)...this kind of rhetoric is really divisive and, at least in my opinion, does nothing but breed hostility among students.

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What do frat houses even exist for? They sound like drinking clubs to me

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Well, you know, there is only one appropriate way to deal with Haters... It's a technique Steve Austin perfected in the late '90s and the Rock recently did so excellently: You just gotta flip, flip, flip 'em off.

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@whipassmt said:
@twizded said:

What's the difference between "white masculinity" and any other demographics masculinity? WTF

If anything I think in the U.S. black masculinity and Hispanic masculinity (machismo) are probably more troublesome than white masculinity. Not that they're aren't white guys doing stupid things to prove their masculinity, but proportionally white people don't seem to commit a lot of violent crime.

They are not in college though :P

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@whipassmt: Disgusting! You're lucky I don't report your filth!

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@whipassmt: That was actually quite awesome!

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The funny thing is, you replace "white" with any other group and she would be roasted alive for being a racist bigot, "black male population", "jewish male population", "hispanic male population", "gay male populaiton" would cause a ferver.

Well, duh. Picking on minorities would make her look like a jerk - punching up (in this case the target being white males) is socially acceptable from comedy and activism to just about everything..

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I'm a minority, and I think this is bullshit.

Trust me, A LOT of minorities don't buy into this anti-white BS disguised as ''anti racism''

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@whipassmt: Disgusting! You're lucky I don't report your filth!

You're upset about the middle finger? Please don't report me, well it won't do any good because I'v already got a mod to support me:

@korvus said:

@whipassmt: That was actually quite awesome!

The Rock is the Most Electrifying man in sports - scratch that, all - entertainment and nobody - and the Rock means nobody - (well except for Stone Cold Steve Austin) can entertain like the Rock.

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@Aljosa23 said:
@General_X said:

The funny thing is, you replace "white" with any other group and she would be roasted alive for being a racist bigot, "black male population", "jewish male population", "hispanic male population", "gay male populaiton" would cause a ferver.

Well, duh. Picking on minorities would make her look like a jerk - punching up (in this case the target being white males) is socially acceptable from comedy and activism to just about everything..

For comedy and joke telling it's one thing but this woman is legitimately being racist and it's pretty much considered fine since it's against the majority. That's ridiculous and very hypocritical on her part. If building tolerance and understanding is the goal this person is doing the opposite of said goals.

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The Rock is the Most Electrifying man in sports - scratch that, all - entertainment and nobody - and the Rock means nobody - (well except for Stone Cold Steve Austin) can entertain like the Rock.

Since I already posted a Joseph Ducreux here might as well post another, but that's my last off-topic post here before TC gets mad at me.

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#35 whipassmt
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"White masculinity" is a very broad thing, there are many categories of white masculinity that are quite different from each other. There's the 1920s gangster/tough guy masculinity, frat boy masculinity, traditional Southern gentleman masculinity, to name a few.

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@korvus said:
@whipassmt said:

The Rock is the Most Electrifying man in sports - scratch that, all - entertainment and nobody - and the Rock means nobody - (well except for Stone Cold Steve Austin) can entertain like the Rock.

Since I already posted a Joseph Ducreux here might as well post another, but that's my last off-topic post here before TC gets mad at me.

That's a good one.

By the way, the video of the Rock lip syncing "Shake it Off" was from the first round of the first episode of Lip Sync Battle (which airs on Spike TV). If you liked that clip, you should see the Rock lip sync "Staying Alive" from the same episode in the second round. The Rock's opponent by the way was Jimmy Fallon.

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I think all of you need to check your privilege.

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@General_X said:

The funny thing is, you replace "white" with any other group and she would be roasted alive for being a racist bigot, "black male population", "jewish male population", "hispanic male population", "gay male populaiton" would cause a ferver.

Have you ever watched Fox News before? Or read the Daily Mail before? They love to blame blacks, Hispanics, gays, Muslims, feminists, etc. as "problem populations" and they get away with making bigoted/racist remarks like that all the time.

Also, let's not forget this is Twitter, where millions of bigoted/racist tweets are posted by trolls... But that's unacceptable behaviour for a college professor.

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I think it's funny that the vast majority of this forum had no problem calling blacks a "problem population" in the Baltimore riots thread and no problem calling Muslims a "problem population" in the Texas cartoon shooting thread, but now it's racist for somebody to call white men a "problem population" in the wake of, oh let's see, the holocaust, the atomic bomb, chemical warfare, biological warfare, the trail of tears, colonialism, redlining, Japanese interment camps, the Joe Paterno riots, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Unibomber, the KKK, Nazis, the housing bubble, the shotgun policy, the Tuskegee Experiments, Guantanamo Bay, the CIA torture report, the Norway Attacks, the Catholic Church pedo party, the Redskins, COINTELPRO, etc.

Hypocrisy much?

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@silkylove said:

I think it's funny that the vast majority of this forum had no problem calling blacks a "problem population" in the Baltimore riots thread and no problem calling Muslims a "problem population" in the Texas cartoon shooting thread, but now it's racist for somebody to call white men a "problem population" in the wake of, oh let's see, the holocaust, the atomic bomb, chemical warfare, biological warfare, the trail of tears, colonialism, redlining, Japanese interment camps, the Joe Paterno riots, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Unibomber, the KKK, Nazis, the housing bubble, the shotgun policy, the Tuskegee Experiments, Guantanamo Bay, the CIA torture report, the Norway Attacks, the Catholic Church pedo party, the Redskins, COINTELPRO, etc.

Hypocrisy much?

None of that is white people's fault.

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@silkylove said:

I think it's funny that the vast majority of this forum had no problem calling blacks a "problem population" in the Baltimore riots thread and no problem calling Muslims a "problem population" in the Texas cartoon shooting thread, but now it's racist for somebody to call white men a "problem population" in the wake of, oh let's see, the holocaust, the atomic bomb, chemical warfare, biological warfare, the trail of tears, colonialism, redlining, Japanese interment camps, the Joe Paterno riots, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Unibomber, the KKK, Nazis, the housing bubble, the shotgun policy, the Tuskegee Experiments, Guantanamo Bay, the CIA torture report, the Norway Attacks, the Catholic Church pedo party, the Redskins, COINTELPRO, etc.

Hypocrisy much?

I actually chuckled when I read that.

LOL "pedo party"

Alliteration FTW

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@plageus900 said:

I think all of you need to check your privilege.

Just checked, they're all still here. Male, white, hetero and cis. Thanks for checking up on me =D

@silkylove said:

I think it's funny that the vast majority of this forum had no problem calling blacks a "problem population" in the Baltimore riots thread and no problem calling Muslims a "problem population" in the Texas cartoon shooting thread, but now it's racist for somebody to call white men a "problem population" in the wake of, oh let's see, the holocaust, the atomic bomb, chemical warfare, biological warfare, the trail of tears, colonialism, redlining, Japanese interment camps, the Joe Paterno riots, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Unibomber, the KKK, Nazis, the housing bubble, the shotgun policy, the Tuskegee Experiments, Guantanamo Bay, the CIA torture report, the Norway Attacks, the Catholic Church pedo party, the Redskins, COINTELPRO, etc.

Hypocrisy much?

Feeling better? =D

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@whipassmt: Well, you did hurt my eyes.

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@Jag85 said:
@General_X said:

The funny thing is, you replace "white" with any other group and she would be roasted alive for being a racist bigot, "black male population", "jewish male population", "hispanic male population", "gay male populaiton" would cause a ferver.

Have you ever watched Fox News before? Or read the Daily Mail before? They love to blame blacks, Hispanics, gays, Muslims, feminists, etc. as "problem populations" and they get away with making bigoted/racist remarks like that all the time.

Also, let's not forget this is Twitter, where millions of bigoted/racist tweets are posted by trolls... But that's unacceptable behaviour for a college professor.

Actually I don't pay attention to those outlets because it's painfully obvious they aren't objective and push a certain agenda, and anyone that takes them seriously is a sheep. So I don't have any examples in my head of them being bigoted but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. The main problem is an African American studies professor should be building cultural understanding, not fighting racism with racism.

And you're right no one is surprised when some random asshat on Twitter is racist, the problem is that this is a college professor and the institution is making excuses for her instead of any sort of reprimanding. White radio hosts have lost jobs over similar situations.

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#46 fenriz275
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This is another example of why just because you have a thought it doesn't necessarily mean you should Tweet it to the whole world.

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Anyone taking her courses is getting scammed anyway.

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#48  Edited By whipassmt
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@MlauTheDaft: How'd I hurt your eyes?

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#49  Edited By Jag85
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@General_X said:

Actually I don't pay attention to those outlets because it's painfully obvious they aren't objective and push a certain agenda, and anyone that takes them seriously is a sheep. So I don't have any examples in my head of them being bigoted but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. The main problem is an African American studies professor should be building cultural understanding, not fighting racism with racism.

And you're right no one is surprised when some random asshat on Twitter is racist, the problem is that this is a college professor and the institution is making excuses for her instead of any sort of reprimanding. White radio hosts have lost jobs over similar situations.

Not sure about the US, but in the UK, there have been similar incidents of university professors making outrageously bigoted remarks about women and black people, yet they were never reprimanded for it by their universities, in the name of academic freedom. Colleges and universities rarely ever take any action over bigoted remarks, usually in the name of academic freedom, unless it's the explicit use of racial slurs.

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But she can't be a racist because she's a minority!