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#1 loco145
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HOUSTON - Tensions were on the rise in Houston's Third Ward as protesters set up in front of Houston's NAACP headquarters on Wheeler Ave.

The "White Lives Matter" protest wanted to voice their concerns that black leaders and organizations have not condemned the actions of the "Black Lives Matter" movement which has led to rioting and violence in certain cities.

Meanwhile, blacks residents in the neighborhood were surprised by protest and felt the message did not come across well when protesters were waving Confederate flags.

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Well, lets see. Confederate flag, AR15, Trump 2016 and the Fourteen Words. Nothing more American!?

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#2  Edited By Archangel3371
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Well this should go over well. /sarcasm

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More people crying wolf.

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@Gaming-Planet: Where's there's smoke, there's fire.

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@InEMplease said:

Stupid is as stupid does.

Whats wrong with that protest? The Black lives matter protests were stupid in general and those protesters were only protesting and protecting a few who had a criminal record.

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@CommandoAgent said:
@InEMplease said:

Stupid is as stupid does.

Whats wrong with that protest? The Black lives matter protests were stupid in general and those protesters were only protesting and protecting a few who had a criminal record.

There was an actual good reason for the original BLM movement. Yeah it's morphed into something ridiculous now, but racism (in all forms, institutional, social, and more) against blacks is still a huge problem in the US.

Against whites? Not so much. You don't make a protest group in response to another protest group, that's some middle school bullshit right there.

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BLM was born out of necessity, WLM was born out of ignorance.

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#11  Edited By N30F3N1X
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@mrbojangles25 said:
There was an actual good reason for the original BLM movement. Yeah it's morphed into something ridiculous now, but racism (in all forms, institutional, social, and more) against blacks is still a huge problem in the US.

Against whites? Not so much. You don't make a protest group in response to another protest group, that's some middle school bullshit right there.

There still is an actual good reason for the BLM movement. They have never seen it, still don't see it, and I doubt they ever will see it though.

Institutional and social racism aren't a thing. Sorry, fact based reality >>>>> speculation based inventions.

Besides, more whites are killed by blacks than blacks are killed by whites. Undisputable fact.

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#12 N30F3N1X
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@Archangel3371 said:

BLM was born out of necessity, WLM was born out of ignorance.

No, both of them were born out of sheer ignorance and emotional reactivity.

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Yeah, this can't end well.

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@N30F3N1X: Nope. BLM was born out of the apparent lack of accountability of police officers in the unnecessary deaths of some black people.

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#16  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@N30F3N1X: Nope. BLM was born out of the apparent lack of accountability of police officers in the unnecessary deaths of some black people.

Are they protesting all the black people killed by other black people? What about the black people killed by black cops? Nothing but crickets is to be heard when these questions are brought up. BLM people leap out of the shadows whenever a shooting like this happens, and start screaming and protesting systemic racism before any of the facts about the case are out. What are their demands? What policies do they propose? Do they have any reason to expect their policies or demands are realistic, and have a chance to be passed into law?

All I hear are a bunch of reactionaries screaming, and breaking things in their own neighborhoods. And the irony is that the more they act like this, they reinforce the views of people who are already racist. They have had 2 years to tell the public what they want, and all they ever do is say they want "equality." ask them what they mean by the word? Nothing.

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#17 MarcRecon
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Both groups are proof that SOME Americans should be ashamed of themselves!

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@hillelslovak: They don't have to come up with policies, that's up to the people who are in position to create policies. I don't know why when people demand for justice and equality that all of a sudden some people think that they should create all the policies to correct those issues. This seems like a cop out argument by those who disagree with them use as a form of rebuttal. They also don't have to address blacks killing other black people because that's not how this all started. Just because there are other problems in the world it doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't address this specific one.

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@Archangel3371 said:

@hillelslovak: They don't have to come up with policies, that's up to the people who are in position to create policies. I don't know why when people demand for justice and equality that all of a sudden some people think that they should create all the policies to correct those issues. This seems like a cop out argument by those who disagree with them use as a form of rebuttal. They also don't have to address blacks killing other black people because that's not how this all started. Just because there are other problems in the world it doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't address this specific one.

It's a copout to not demand of them a mission statement that includes practical solutions. The civil rights leaders of the 1960's had policies. Why is it so hard for these people to do the same?

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@hillelslovak: They want those responsible for unnecessary deaths to be held accountable and they want changes in current policies so that these things don't happen in the first place. That seems fair enough to me.

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Did they use 1488 or something?

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#22  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@hillelslovak: They want those responsible for unnecessary deaths to be held accountable and they want changes in current policies so that these things don't happen in the first place. That seems fair enough to me.

Their whole ethos is based around systemic racism within policing. If they gave half a shit about remedying the issue, they would not go batshit they day of the incident, before any of the facts are out. They distort the facts of each case when they bring them up, and refuse to even address questions about whether or not rioting and destroying their communities in response is a good idea.

https://policy.m4bl.org/

Look at that site, view the dozens of demands. BLM is supposed to be a specialized issue, yet they make dozens of demands that have nothing to with the issue, along with a gigantic amount if hyperbole.

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@hillelslovak: I never said that there aren't issues with BLM currently, what I did say is that it was born out of necessity and that they do have legitimate concerns which aren't negated by other problems and issues.

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@Archangel3371 said:

@hillelslovak: I never said that there aren't issues with BLM currently, what I did say is that it was born out of necessity and that they do have legitimate concerns which aren't negated by other problems and issues.

Born out of necessity? The rate in which black people, like all other groups, are killed by police, or any other circumstance, drop every year. Why 2014?

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@hillelslovak: Yes, out of necessity. Because when you see black people getting killed by police unjustly with seemingly no consequences then black people are going to get upset, and rightly so.

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BLM is a hate group. WLM is just as stupid.

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@n64dd said:

BLM is a hate group. WLM is just as stupid.

^^This, it seems that WLM is like a lite version of the KKK and that's not helping their cause at all. Although, it is true that the NAACP are full of race baiters and do nothing for black on black crime.

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@Archangel3371 said:

@N30F3N1X: Nope. BLM was born out of the apparent lack of accountability of police officers in the unnecessary deaths of some black people.

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@Archangel3371 said:

@hillelslovak: Yes, out of necessity. Because when you see black people getting killed by police unjustly with seemingly no consequences then black people are going to get upset, and rightly so.

Funny, I could swear they were also strongly against "seemingly no consequences" for themselves as well when police was looking for other blacks who actually did commit crimes in their stop and frisk practices. Apparently both of them are manifestations of racism against blacks despite being polar opposites in nature. lol

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#30  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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lol black people can't even have a protest movement without white people saying "what about us?!" Hilarious.

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White/black.. whatever... really matter?

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@hillelslovak said:
@Archangel3371 said:

@N30F3N1X: Nope. BLM was born out of the apparent lack of accountability of police officers in the unnecessary deaths of some black people.

Are they protesting all the black people killed by other black people? What about the black people killed by black cops? Nothing but crickets is to be heard when these questions are brought up. BLM people leap out of the shadows whenever a shooting like this happens, and start screaming and protesting systemic racism before any of the facts about the case are out. What are their demands? What policies do they propose? Do they have any reason to expect their policies or demands are realistic, and have a chance to be passed into law?

All I hear are a bunch of reactionaries screaming, and breaking things in their own neighborhoods. And the irony is that the more they act like this, they reinforce the views of people who are already racist. They have had 2 years to tell the public what they want, and all they ever do is say they want "equality." ask them what they mean by the word? Nothing.

Black people killing each other is a travesty and I'm ashamed we are doing this to each other. But there is no need to protest it. Black people who break the law are routinely and consistently brought to justice. Action plans, better living conditions, less weapons around angry people, all that stuff will help but not protests.

If one was just to look at hot button instances(i.e. instances that get national media coverage) than police are not brought to justice when they kill(and sometimes murder) black people. That DOES require protests and answers.

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@Archangel3371 said:

@N30F3N1X: Nope. BLM was born out of the apparent lack of accountability of police officers in the unnecessary deaths of some black people.

To bad it wasn't born out of truth. Micheal Brown, "Hands up Don't Shoot" was a lie and it was a proven lie. Michael Brown was made a poster child, when in reality he was a thug that attacked a police officer and got himself shot and killed when he had another course of action opened to him on several occasions during the incident that got him killed.

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That's some classy editing.

@loco145 said:

Meanwhile, blacks residents in the neighborhood were surprised by protest and felt the message did not come across well when protesters were waving Confederate flags.

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@Aljosa23 said:

lol black people can't even have a protest movement without white people saying "what about us?!" Hilarious.

Thereby proving that BLM is kinda right. Ironic lol

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#37  Edited By nepu7supastar7
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@loco145:

What a stupid protest! White loves matter? Pffft!! White live always matter. Sometimes more than it should.

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@JimB: It has been happening and been building up to this point before the Micheal Brown incident. Pointing out incidents where police officers may have been justified does not negate the ones where they were not.

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#39  Edited By N30F3N1X
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@sayyy-gaa said:
Black people killing each other is a travesty and I'm ashamed we are doing this to each other. But there is no need to protest it. Black people who break the law are routinely and consistently brought to justice. Action plans, better living conditions, less weapons around angry people, all that stuff will help but not protests.

If one was just to look at hot button instances(i.e. instances that get national media coverage) than police are not brought to justice when they kill(and sometimes murder) black people. That DOES require protests and answers.

But they are brought to justice. And then a tribunal decides whether or not what they did was justified or worth punishment. A tribunal. Not you, not me, not the other guy, not twitter, not uneducated rioters, not the news outlets. A tribunal.

If the movement was really about what you say and not cop hate they wouldn't call for police reforms, they'd call for a harsher judicial system.

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@N30F3N1X said:
@sayyy-gaa said:
Black people killing each other is a travesty and I'm ashamed we are doing this to each other. But there is no need to protest it. Black people who break the law are routinely and consistently brought to justice. Action plans, better living conditions, less weapons around angry people, all that stuff will help but not protests.

If one was just to look at hot button instances(i.e. instances that get national media coverage) than police are not brought to justice when they kill(and sometimes murder) black people. That DOES require protests and answers.

But they are brought to justice. And then a tribunal decides whether or not what they did was justified or worth punishment. A tribunal. Not you, not me, not the other guy, not twitter, not uneducated rioters, not the news outlets. A tribunal.

If the movement was really about what you say and not cop hate they wouldn't call for police reforms, they'd call for a harsher judicial system.

You are correct. And you are making my point. The fact that "tribunals" routinely find the killers of unarmed black people not guilty is a problem. And requires protest in and of itself.

I SERIOUSLY doubt a tribunal has found an armed black man who killed an unarmed police officer not guilty. At least not in my adult lifetime. Definitely not reported by the news.

The laws are fine if they are applied EQUALLY. Show me one nationally covered instance in the last 10 years where a policeman shot and killed an unarmed white man and went free. It doesn't happen. They are jailed and punished.

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White people protesting that those who they think are inferior to themselves may one day have the same rights and privileges as they do.

Doesn't get more Republican than that.

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@sayyy-gaa said:
You are correct. And you are making my point. The fact that "tribunals" routinely find the killers of unarmed black people not guilty is a problem. And requires protest in and of itself.

I SERIOUSLY doubt a tribunal has found an armed black man who killed an unarmed police officer not guilty. At least not in my adult lifetime. Definitely not reported by the news.

The laws are fine if they are applied EQUALLY. Show me one nationally covered instance in the last 10 years where a policeman shot and killed an unarmed white man and went free. It doesn't happen. They are jailed and punished.

Well, you see, here's where the stink of bullshit starts becoming too thick for me to handle.

First of all, not one of the protests were about the judicial system, they were about screaming how the bad police was being racist against them. This alone would be enough for me to dismiss what you're saying as excessively dreamy, but let's go on without considering this.

Most of BLM supporters don't have the first clue of how the judicial system work. Which is understandable - I mean, I don't have a clue either, I don't even live in the US. What is not understandable however is that they don't know nor care to know about how long it takes to get a ruling. They expect the cops they call out to just get thrown on a pitchfork the day after, and they protest if he doesn't.

It doesn't work that way. Hell, BLM started after Zimmerman was acquitted and I wouldn't be surprised if cops who unjustifiedly shot unarmed men around that time are getting convicted now.

And you know what? The thing that stinks the most about your thesis about BLM being more about protesting the law enforcement system than just random emotion-induced cop hate fueled by a fantasious black vs blue dichotomy, is that they don't give a flying shit about white men who suffer the same fate they claim black men to be suffering. I mean, I understand the "black" part of "BLM". That doesn't mean they should deliberately cripple themselves by refusing to use significant evidence that would further "prove" the judicial system needs reform. And this, to me, is the most telling thing that BLM doesn't give a damn about the facts or the justice system, they only care about elevating themselves in an imaginary social scale by playing the sole victims in their invented narrative of oppression.

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@killered3 said:

@loco145:

What a stupid protest! White loves matter? Pffft!! White live always matter. Sometimes more than it should.

That's a terrible attitude. Lives should ALWAYS matter.

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@N30F3N1X said:
@sayyy-gaa said:
You are correct. And you are making my point. The fact that "tribunals" routinely find the killers of unarmed black people not guilty is a problem. And requires protest in and of itself.

I SERIOUSLY doubt a tribunal has found an armed black man who killed an unarmed police officer not guilty. At least not in my adult lifetime. Definitely not reported by the news.

The laws are fine if they are applied EQUALLY. Show me one nationally covered instance in the last 10 years where a policeman shot and killed an unarmed white man and went free. It doesn't happen. They are jailed and punished.

Well, you see, here's where the stink of bullshit starts becoming too thick for me to handle.

First of all, not one of the protests were about the judicial system, they were about screaming how the bad police was being racist against them. This alone would be enough for me to dismiss what you're saying as excessively dreamy, but let's go on without considering this.

Most of BLM supporters don't have the first clue of how the judicial system work. Which is understandable - I mean, I don't have a clue either, I don't even live in the US. What is not understandable however is that they don't know nor care to know about how long it takes to get a ruling. They expect the cops they call out to just get thrown on a pitchfork the day after, and they protest if he doesn't.

It doesn't work that way. Hell, BLM started after Zimmerman was acquitted and I wouldn't be surprised if cops who unjustifiedly shot unarmed men around that time are getting convicted now.

And you know what? The thing that stinks the most about your thesis about BLM being more about protesting the law enforcement system than just random emotion-induced cop hate fueled by a fantasious black vs blue dichotomy, is that they don't give a flying shit about white men who suffer the same fate they claim black men to be suffering. I mean, I understand the "black" part of "BLM". That doesn't mean they should deliberately cripple themselves by refusing to use significant evidence that would further "prove" the judicial system needs reform. And this, to me, is the most telling thing that BLM doesn't give a damn about the facts or the justice system, they only care about elevating themselves in an imaginary social scale by playing the sole victims in their invented narrative of oppression.

By and large I agree with you. BLM has become a caricature of what it started out as. I never said otherwise. I said there is a reason to protest the killing of unarmed black(really any race of people) people by policemen when it seems the cops are not brought to justice. That is all I said.

Never once did I say that BLM is in a current state to do this. I am not defending them at all. Having said that protest on the issue, even misguided ones are better than nothing.

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Divide and conquer at its finest. Get blacks and whites upset at each other to divert the attention from these two ass clowns we have running for President.

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#47 RepetitiousV2
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Those WLM protest are just as meaningless as the BLM ones.

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@Archangel3371 said:

@JimB: It has been happening and been building up to this point before the Micheal Brown incident. Pointing out incidents where police officers may have been justified does not negate the ones where they were not.

Would it be possible for you to provide genuine facts/stats showing how many black people were involved in police shootings/deaths in which the shootings were not justified?

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#49 RepetitiousV2
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@Solaryellow: I'll help him. I don't remember numbers exactly but it was along the lines of 50% White and 25% black were "victims" of police shooting.

By the end of 2015 36 "unarmed" black men and 31 "unarmed" white men had been shot. (Omg so many deaths /s)

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#50 JimB
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@Solaryellow said:
@Archangel3371 said:

@JimB: It has been happening and been building up to this point before the Micheal Brown incident. Pointing out incidents where police officers may have been justified does not negate the ones where they were not.

Would it be possible for you to provide genuine facts/stats showing how many black people were involved in police shootings/deaths in which the shootings were not justified?

The BLM started with Micheal Brown not the shootings that happened prior to this one. This one does not serve the movement well.