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#1 Posted by MetalDogGear (806 posts) -
Mine is Husky
#3 Posted by wis3boi (31294 posts) -

0/10 read a book

#4 Posted by valium88 (4455 posts) -

The religious still can't prove how everything became from one thing.

#5 Posted by MetalDogGear (806 posts) -

The religious still can't prove how everything became from one thing.

valium88
Define religious. I'm not a religious person. I'm a christian There's a big difference. Religion breeds hatred, and intolerance and wars. It's a disease that spreads like wildfire The true teachings of christ preach love and tolerance. That is the difference between Christ and Religion.
#6 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12932 posts) -

Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.MetalDogGear

Something comes from nothing all the time, all around you. Particles and anti-particles are popping into and out of existence all the time (they completely annihilate each other). We don't need to go back to the big bang for the mystery of 'something from nothing'.

Besides, if the total sum energy of the universe is 0, as it seems, then there really is nothing here, anyway.

#7 Posted by ristactionjakso (5726 posts) -

O didn't you know? Scientists made a time machine and witnessed the Earth being formed out of dying vegetation in outa space. And they also witnessed the big bang (tiny atom that came from nothing and exploded thus the universe......:roll: ). And they also witnessed apes turn in humans, it's still happening till this very day.

#8 Posted by Yusuke420 (2793 posts) -

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.br0kenrabbit

Something comes from nothing all the time, all around you. Particles and anti-particles are popping into and out of existence all the time (they completely annihilate each other). We don't need to go back to the big bang for the mystery of 'something from nothing'.

Besides, if the total sum energy of the universe is 0, as it seems, then there really is nothing here, anyway.

That's a mind f*ck lol...

#9 Posted by Yusuke420 (2793 posts) -

[QUOTE="valium88"]

The religious still can't prove how everything became from one thing.

MetalDogGear

Define religious. I'm not a religious person. I'm a christian There's a big difference. Religion breeds hatred, and intolerance and wars. It's a disease that spreads like wildfire The true teachings of christ preach love and tolerance. That is the difference between Christ and Religion.

Christainity is a religion, what are you talking about?

#10 Posted by pariah3 (988 posts) -
#11 Posted by dave123321 (33997 posts) -

O didn't you know? Scientists made a time machine and witnessed the Earth being formed out of dying vegetation in outa space. And they also witnessed the big bang (tiny atom that came from nothing and exploded thus the universe......:roll: ). And they also witnessed apes turn in humans, it's still happening till this very day.

ristactionjakso
You should have made this topic
#12 Posted by SonyNintendoFan (527 posts) -
I wonder why God created such a huge universe with so many Galaxies... its overwhelming... it boggles my mind how infinitely powerful God is ^_^
#13 Posted by Celldrax (14596 posts) -

Fact: Doesn't matter what you do or don't believe, no one can prove a damn thing.

4/10, made me reply.

#14 Posted by Planeforger (15639 posts) -

Atheists still can't prove how something can come from nothingMetalDogGear

Assuming that is true, religious people cannot prove their stance either. So if you're going to give scientific evidence such weight and importance, what is your point?

Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God.MetalDogGear

Whoa there Nelly, you're taking some pretty massive leaps of logic there!

Assuming that something had to create the universe, why does that creator have to be a sentient being?
Assuming that the creator of the universe had to be sentient, why does that creator have to be a god?
Assuming that the creator of the universe had to be a god, which of the infinite possible (or impossible) gods would it be?

Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.MetalDogGear

Actually, science tells us that humans have hearts, and it also gives us a pretty good idea of how they work.
Science has also told us that hearts have very little to do with how we think as individuals, and that humans (and some other animals) have a great capacity for compassion.

So...uh, again, why jump to conclusions?
You cannot possibly prove that your particular God is the only thing stopping humans from 'becoming heartless, self-interested machines', so why in hell would you be so certain that that is true (especially when just about -every- religion in human history has claimed that)?

*edit* I mean, by your logic, we might as well all start worshipping Odin again. Or Osiris. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or me (yes, that's right, I'll admit it - I created the universe!).

#15 Posted by wis3boi (31294 posts) -

dont feed the troll :|

#16 Posted by Chemistian (635 posts) -
[QUOTE="valium88"]

The religious still can't prove how everything became from one thing.

MetalDogGear
Define religious. I'm not a religious person. I'm a christian There's a big difference. Religion breeds hatred, and intolerance and wars. It's a disease that spreads like wildfire The true teachings of christ preach love and tolerance. That is the difference between Christ and Religion.

So basically: so long as you can re-define the terminology and place blinders on both the historical and scientific realities you do not wish to accept, you are pretty sure you are on to something....Yep,. you sound like a Christian to me...
#17 Posted by SNIPER4321 (10143 posts) -

dont feed the troll :|

wis3boi

implying u are not.

OT: oh look its this thread again.JRPG

Religious and irreligious ppls never agree on same thing. so let they live how they want and let us how we want. /Thread

#18 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
How do you know the being was sentient? And why would this sentient being have to be God (presumably the Abrahamic one)?
#19 Posted by littledoug (219 posts) -

No, the total sum of the energy is not zero, it is constant. There is a difference.

#20 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -
I'm a Deist. Don't really care about the details but do believe a supreme being had to spark the universe.
#22 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12932 posts) -

No, the total sum of the energy is not zero, it is constant. There is a difference.

littledoug

The Zero Sum Energy Universe is quite an advanced theory. You should look it up.

Here's a real quick read on it.

#23 Posted by Cloud_Insurance (3279 posts) -

so where did god come from?

he create himself? out of what?

#24 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12932 posts) -

I'm a Deist. Don't really care about the details but do believe a supreme being had to spark the universe. KC_Hokie

Who sparked the Supreme Being? What about the place this being resides? Did he/it exist before the place he/it exists in?

#25 Posted by Yusuke420 (2793 posts) -

[QUOTE="littledoug"]

No, the total sum of the energy is not zero, it is constant. There is a difference.

br0kenrabbit

The Zero Sum Energy Universe is quite an advanced theory. You should look it up.

Here's a real quick read on it.

That was an interesting article! Where do you get your news as it relates to these subjects? I find all of this fasinating!

#26 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12932 posts) -

That was an interesting article! Where do you get your news as it relates to these subjects? I find all of this fasinating!

Yusuke420

Articles like the above I hadn't read before, but I knew of the theory from other places so I just Googled it and that article was succinct and fit the bill.

As for my originating sources: Discover magazine, Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, quantum theory forums, string theory forums, and all those advanced physics classes I took in college.

You can stand up and try to teach me something all day, and I won't learn a thing. But if I read it, I know it forever.

#28 Posted by Yusuke420 (2793 posts) -

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

That was an interesting article! Where do you get your news as it relates to these subjects? I find all of this fasinating!

br0kenrabbit

Articles like the above I hadn't read before, but I knew of the theory from other places so I just Googled it and that article was succinct and fit the bill.

As for my originating sources: Discover magazine, Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, quantum theory forums, string theory forums, and all those advanced physics classes I took in college.

You can stand up and try to teach me something all day, and I won't learn a thing. But if I read it, I know it forever.

Good stuff, looks like I have to get back into school lol...

#29 Posted by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.MetalDogGear

I don't make that claim. I make the claim it is an unknown. Replacing this unknown with 'God did it' without any evidence is an intellectual dead end, so I just leave it as an unknown.

But people are free put whatever they want in place of the unknown if it helps them.

#30 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12932 posts) -

Good stuff, looks like I have to get back into school lol...

Yusuke420

Bah, I've learned far more about everything since I left school than I did in all my years in school. Like I've said here before, the most important thing school teaches you is how to teach yourself.

Visit a physics forum if you're interested, they're not OT by a long shot: you're not going to run into very many idiots on those forums, if any at all.

#31 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
I sometimes wish we had more topics about physics and science in general. It's far more interesting than the usual political tripe we deal with here. We have an unfortunate situation here where it's largely intellectually vacant topic subject that are forced to become better by users in the topic. Unfortunately because these topics almost always have the same start we never manage to move into terribly interesting discussions and we seem to have no users here to ask questions as the users who could stand to learn seem content not knowing things.
#32 Posted by Yusuke420 (2793 posts) -

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Good stuff, looks like I have to get back into school lol...

br0kenrabbit

Bah, I've learned far more about everything since I left school than I did in all my years in school. Like I've said here before, the most important thing school teaches you is how to teach yourself.

Visit a physics forum if you're interested, they're not OT by a long shot: you're not going to run into very many idiots on those forums, if any at all.

I'll do just that thank you!

#33 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12932 posts) -

I sometimes wish we had more topics about physics and science in general. It's far more interesting than the usual political tripe we deal with here. We have an unfortunate situation here where it's largely intellectually vacant topic subject that are forced to become better by users in the topic.Ace6301

That would be awesome, but how many users here do you think could actually participate meaningfully in such a discussion? There's a few here that I know of, but I can count them on one hand.

#34 Posted by Yusuke420 (2793 posts) -

I sometimes wish we had more topics about physics and science in general. It's far more interesting than the usual political tripe we deal with here. We have an unfortunate situation here where it's largely intellectually vacant topic subject that are forced to become better by users in the topic. Unfortunately because these topics almost always have the same start we never manage to move into terribly interesting discussions and we seem to have no users here to ask questions as the users who could stand to learn seem content not knowing things.Ace6301
We simply wouldn't get any hits if we started talking sub-atomic particles or space. In the future though I will make threads about these issue as they are much more interesting then fighting about weapons into infinity.

#35 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I sometimes wish we had more topics about physics and science in general. It's far more interesting than the usual political tripe we deal with here. We have an unfortunate situation here where it's largely intellectually vacant topic subject that are forced to become better by users in the topic.br0kenrabbit

That would be awesome, but how many users here do you think could actually participate meaningfully in such a discussion? There's a few here that I know of, but I can count them on one hand.

Well that's really the problem isn't it? The users who know these things are just going to be sitting around circle jerking facts they already knew with an occasional fact brought up that some may not have known. Partially because of dwindling usership here and partially because on this board people are somewhat hostile to ideas as ideas seemingly because it is in opposition to their current beliefs. It's actually somewhat mind boggling to me that people don't want to know things for the sake of knowing them.
#37 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.

Then whence came God?
#38 Posted by valium88 (4455 posts) -

[QUOTE="valium88"]

The religious still can't prove how everything became from one thing.

MetalDogGear

Define religious. I'm not a religious person. I'm a christian There's a big difference. Religion breeds hatred, and intolerance and wars. It's a disease that spreads like wildfire The true teachings of christ preach love and tolerance. That is the difference between Christ and Religion.

Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values. Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the Universe. There is as you say a difference between christ and religion, but your belief makes you per definition religious.

#39 Posted by GreySeal9 (24191 posts) -

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

dont feed the troll :|

SNIPER4321

implying u are not.

OT: oh look its this thread again.JRPG

Religious and irreligious ppls never agree on same thing. so let they live how they want and let us how we want. /Thread

lol. WTF?

#40 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.

Then whence came God?

#41 Posted by wis3boi (31294 posts) -

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.Ace6301
Then whence came God?

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#42 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.

Then whence came God?

lol. His expression is perfect for that caption.
#43 Posted by GrayF0X786 (3850 posts) -

the ignorance here is...ugh.

#44 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

the ignorance here is...ugh.

GrayF0X786
I know right? Peoples understanding of physics is kind of disappointing.
#45 Posted by wis3boi (31294 posts) -

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

the ignorance here is...ugh.

Ace6301

I know right? Peoples understanding of physics is kind of disappointing.

Get your edumacationz outta here, I've got my ancient book to tell me the wonders of my flat earth

#46 Posted by MetalDogGear (806 posts) -
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.

Then whence came God?

Lol, time is a product of God. And products cannot exist before their creators. Therefore time did not exist before God Therefore God did not have a beginning Can we please get some intelligent people in here Jesus I feel like I'm at a Mississippi high school reunion.
#47 Posted by wis3boi (31294 posts) -

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.MetalDogGear
Then whence came God?

Lol, time is a product of God. And products cannot exist before their creators. Therefore time did not exist before God Therefore God did not have a beginning Can we please get some intelligent people in here Jesus I feel like I'm at a Mississippi high school reunion.

no one cares about your life story

#48 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.

Then whence came God?

Lol, time is a product of God. And products cannot exist before their creators. Therefore time did not exist before God Therefore God did not have a beginning Can we please get some intelligent people in here Jesus I feel like I'm at a Mississippi high school reunion.

I believe I already posted this explanation but more eloquently.
#49 Posted by Guybrush_3 (8308 posts) -

Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.MetalDogGear

I'm not an anthiest, but you're clearly too stupid to understand science.

#50 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]Science will never be able to prove why something comes from nothing. Which means, according to this, the Atheist's arguments get crushed under their own gravity. Simply put: if nothing can come nothing, then there had to be something And that something had to create the universe And so it had to be a sentient being And if it was sentient, it was God. Science tells us that humanity is nothing but a heartless machine that only cares about its own survival. And so there has to be a God to edify this situation.

Then whence came God?

Lol, time is a product of God. And products cannot exist before their creators. Therefore time did not exist before God Therefore God did not have a beginning Can we please get some intelligent people in here Jesus I feel like I'm at a Mississippi high school reunion.

If something cannot come from nothing then everything then God cannot have come from nothing. So where did God come from?