What's the origin of the human race,and it's destiny,if there's one?

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Einstein believed in a superior being based on math and odds. Considering none of his theories have been disproved...so do I!KC_Hokie

And yea, Einstein has never been dis-proven. I find that relevant.

Thanks for turning my thread into an arguement between you two.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Einstein has been wrong. He was wrong about quantum mechanics because of preconceived ideas, he also failed to create his "theory of everything that would rectify his worldview with the implications of QM. Also, even if none of his theories were disproven, his opinions on god are not theories, it's just how he sees the world. Saying "Einstein believed x, therefore I believe x" is the definition of an appeal to authority which is a fallacy,GreekGameManiac

And yea, Einstein has never been dis-proven. I find that relevant.

Thanks for turning my thread into an arguement between you two.

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Einstein never disagreed with quantum mechanics just the semantics of it.

And yea, Einstein has never been dis-proven. I find that relevant.

KC_Hokie

Thanks for turning my thread into an arguement between you two.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Einstein believed in a superior being based on math and odds. Considering none of his theories have been disproved...so do I!KC_Hokie

And yea, Einstein has never been dis-proven. I find that relevant.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Einstein has been wrong. He was wrong about quantum mechanics because of preconceived ideas, he also failed to create his "theory of everything that would rectify his worldview with the implications of QM. Also, even if none of his theories were disproven, his opinions on god are not theories, it's just how he sees the world. Saying "Einstein believed x, therefore I believe x" is the definition of an appeal to authority which is a fallacy,Rhazakna

And yea, Einstein has never been dis-proven. I find that relevant.

Einstein won the Nobel Peace Prize for quantum mechanics!

And you're entitled to your opinion. Eistein said there was a supreme being. I happen to believe him considering we haven't even found life.

lol! Not sure where you got your info!

Einstein won the Nobel Peace Prize for quantum mechanics!

And you're entitled to your opinion. Eistein said there was a supreme being. I happen to believe him considering we haven't even found life.

KC_Hokie

mAybe they left us for the higher planes/planets?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

lol! Not sure where you got your info!

Einstein won the Nobel Peace Prize for quantum mechanics!

And you're entitled to your opinion. Eistein said there was a supreme being. I happen to believe him considering we haven't even found life.

GreekGameManiac

mAybe they left us for the higher planes/planets?

Maybe us humans are the supreme beings according to the supreme beings.

l[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Einstein never disagreed with quantum mechanics just the semantics of it.

And yea, Einstein has never been dis-proven. I find that relevant.

KC_Hokie

Einstein won the Nobel Peace Prize for quantum mechanics!

And you're entitled to your opinion. Eistein said there was a supreme being. I happen to believe him considering we haven't even found life.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

l[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] No, he didn't believe that there was any such thing as randomness in the universe. That is not just a semantic issue, not in any sense. Einstein's view of the universe had no room for indeterminism, which is being cast increasingly into doubt by modern physics. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/explainer/2012/02/cern_neutrino_experiment_how_many_times_have_scientists_proven_einstein_wrong_.html According to this, Einstein has been wrong on at least two major issues. A purely deterministic universe is more and more doubtful, though determinism is still functionally true on a macro-scale. So there goes the idea that he's never been wrong. As I said though, it doesn't matter. If you believe something just because Einstein believed it, that is fallacious reasoning. It doesn't matter if you "find that relevant", a fallacy is a fallacy. Also, if you think Einstein was always right, why aren't you a socialist? Rhazakna

Einstein won the Nobel Peace Prize for quantum mechanics!

And you're entitled to your opinion. Eistein said there was a supreme being. I happen to believe him considering we haven't even found life.

Origin- Aliens

Destiny- More aliens

Everything that has lived has experienced death, and everything that will ever live shall experience death. Our destiny is to die.

The__Kraken

More then likely it is our destiny to destroy ourselves.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

Evolution's just a theory dude.

dragonfly110

I'm glad you've seen the light my brother.

I do contemplate on the matter of our origin and destiny but apart from speculation I' m unable to come up with an established answer as no one has. I want to believe though that there is some mystery behind them as I don' t like the whole idea "we live to die eventually". Otherwise life would be so meaningless and devoid of any purpose whatsoever.

I don' t like the whole idea "we live to die eventually". Otherwise life would be so meaningless and devoid of any purpose whatsoever.

johnd13

[QUOTE="johnd13"]

I don' t like the whole idea "we live to die eventually". Otherwise life would be so meaningless and devoid of any purpose whatsoever.

ShadowsDemon

You obviously think you are going to end up in the Land of Smug after you die.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="johnd13"]

I don' t like the whole idea "we live to die eventually". Otherwise life would be so meaningless and devoid of any purpose whatsoever.

tenaka2

You obviously think you are going to end up in the Land of Smug after you die.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] That's pretty much most atheist's stance on life. We got here without a God, we live a short, miserable life, and then we die.ShadowsDemon

You obviously think you are going to end up in the Land of Smug after you die.

Thats rather one sided :P

No one knows what happens after death, this applies to both religious people and atheists. If there is a spiritual afterlife then which one is it? There are many religions and many different versions of the afterlife so most people will end up without tickets for the afterlife anyway.

lets hope there is a digital afterlife, at least everyone could go :)

That's pretty much most atheist's stance on life. We got here without a God, we live a short, miserable life, and then we die.ShadowsDemon

I have to wonder - do you genuinely not know much about atheism, or are you deliberately misrepresenting atheism to troll people?

The only group I'd associate your point with is 'emo'. You can't really generalise atheists in such a silly way - we all think different things about the world.

Personally, I would say (and I would hope that most rational atheists would agree) that since we have no idea what happens when we die, we should damn well make the best of the life that we have now, and try to make it as long and happy as possible.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]That's pretty much most atheist's stance on life. We got here without a God, we live a short, miserable life, and then we die.Planeforger

I have to wonder - do you genuinely not know much about atheism, or are you deliberately misrepresenting atheism to troll people?

The only group I'd associate your point with is 'emo'. You can't really generalise atheists in such a silly way - we all think different things about the world.

Personally, I would say (and I would hope that most rational atheists would agree) that since we have no idea what happens when we die, we should damn well make the best of the life that we have now, and try to make it as long and happy as possible.

I' m not an atheist but that' s what I intend to do too. However afterlife is I still want to make the most out of my time on earth.

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]That's pretty much most atheist's stance on life. We got here without a God, we live a short, miserable life, and then we die.johnd13

I have to wonder - do you genuinely not know much about atheism, or are you deliberately misrepresenting atheism to troll people?

The only group I'd associate your point with is 'emo'. You can't really generalise atheists in such a silly way - we all think different things about the world.

Personally, I would say (and I would hope that most rational atheists would agree) that since we have no idea what happens when we die, we should damn well make the best of the life that we have now, and try to make it as long and happy as possible.

I' m not an atheist but that' s what I intend to do too. However afterlife is I still want to make the most out of my time on earth.

I know right?

This is a good paper on the subject if anyone likes reading.

http://www.nickbostrom.com/existential/risks.html

ABSTRACT

Because of accelerating technological progress, humankind may be rapidly approaching a critical phase in its career. In addition to well-known threats such as nuclear holocaust, the prospects of radically transforming technologies like nanotech systems and machine intelligence present us with unprecedented opportunities and risks. Our future, and whether we will have a future at all, may well be determined by how we deal with these challenges. In the case of radically transforming technologies, a better understanding of the transition dynamics from a human to a posthuman society is needed. Of particular importance is to know where the pitfalls are: the ways in which things could go terminally wrong. While we have had long exposure to various personal, local, and endurable global hazards, this paper analyzes a recently emerging category: that of existential risks. These are threats that could cause our extinction or destroy the potential of Earth-originating intelligent life. Some of these threats are relatively well known while others, including some of the gravest, have gone almost unrecognized. Existential risks have a cluster of features that make ordinary risk management ineffective. A final section of this paper discusses several ethical and policy implications. A clearer understanding of the threat picture will enable us to formulate better strategies.

There is a destiny,which is to build a happy and peaceful human society for everyone.FMAB_GTO

[QUOTE="johnd13"]

I don' t like the whole idea "we live to die eventually". Otherwise life would be so meaningless and devoid of any purpose whatsoever.

ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Disagree. Intelligent life should be everywhere mathematically. It's not (at least so far).KC_Hokie

l[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Einstein never disagreed with quantum mechanics just the semantics of it.

And yea, Einstein has never been dis-proven. I find that relevant.

KC_Hokie

Einstein won the Nobel Peace Prize for quantum mechanics!

And you're entitled to your opinion. Eistein said there was a supreme being. I happen to believe him considering we haven't even found life.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

l[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] No, he didn't believe that there was any such thing as randomness in the universe. That is not just a semantic issue, not in any sense. Einstein's view of the universe had no room for indeterminism, which is being cast increasingly into doubt by modern physics. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/explainer/2012/02/cern_neutrino_experiment_how_many_times_have_scientists_proven_einstein_wrong_.html According to this, Einstein has been wrong on at least two major issues. A purely deterministic universe is more and more doubtful, though determinism is still functionally true on a macro-scale. So there goes the idea that he's never been wrong. As I said though, it doesn't matter. If you believe something just because Einstein believed it, that is fallacious reasoning. It doesn't matter if you "find that relevant", a fallacy is a fallacy. Also, if you think Einstein was always right, why aren't you a socialist? BossPerson

Einstein won the Nobel Peace Prize for quantum mechanics!

And you're entitled to your opinion. Eistein said there was a supreme being. I happen to believe him considering we haven't even found life.

It's about what atheists believe.ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You obviously think you are going to end up in the Land of Smug after you die.

tenaka2

lets hope there is a digital afterlife, at least everyone could go :)

"I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations." - Albert Einstein KC_Hokie

From what I know we have no destiny. Species die off all the time and sooner or later we will probably die off also, and then the earth will be destroyed by the sun. We are such an insignificant part of the Universe it is ridiculously arrogant to just assume we are special and deserve some kind of higher existence.

If you mean origin as in the very first ancestors of humans, a single-celled organisms. There are intermediary stages, such as the first multicellular oragnisms (sponges), the first animals (microscopic eels), the first animals to walk on land (legged fish), the first mammals (small rodents), and the ancestors of humans and apes. We have no destiny, except maybe to destroy the world.

If you really want to get into semantics everything in the universe can be traced back to the big bang. We're comprised of star material thrown in there with some heavier elements. Our destiny is to continue being part of one giant biochemical reaction, at its core that's what life is. Plus sex, lots and lots of sex. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]If you really want to get into semantics everything in the universe can be traced back to the big bang. We're comprised of star material thrown in there with some heavier elements. Our destiny is to continue being part of one giant biochemical reaction, at its core that's what life is. Plus sex, lots and lots of sex. Dogswithguns

What's the point of life? To replicate. How do we do this? We fvck.

There's no destiny.. but human think that they're going somewhere else after they died. they think that doesn't anything.Dogswithguns

these are the words you've all been looking for

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[QUOTE="Dogswithguns"]There's no destiny.. but human think that they're going somewhere else after they died. they think that doesn't anything.WolfattheDoor34

these are the words you've all been looking for

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Lmao.

To the user that basically said that f*cking is the meaning of life...YES!

Lol.

No one knows, and theories don't cut it.

There's no destiny.. but human think that they're going somewhere else after they died. they think that doesn't anything.Dogswithguns

wut...

We evolved and our destiny is open to interpretation.

We could potentially kill ourselves in a nuclear holocaust or we could continue to advance until we become posthuman...then kill ourselves in a nuclear holocaust.

Or not.

Ah, the age old question that has kept scientists, philosophers, and other intellectuals entangled in debate for millenia.

Surely some basement dweller on OT must have the answer.

Don't know about you, but i'll die not accomplishing one thing worth of sh!t.

I used to think I'll do good when I grow up as a kid, but meh.. I see myself as a big load of lost potential.

Don't know about you, but i'll die not accomplishing one thing worth of sh!t.

I used to think I'll do good when I grow up as a kid, but meh.. I see myself as a big load of lost potential.

TehFuneral

origin-bacteria

destiny-extinction

From what I know we have no destiny. Species die off all the time and sooner or later we will probably die off also, and then the earth will be destroyed by the sun. We are such an insignificant part of the Universe it is ridiculously arrogant to just assume we are special and deserve some kind of higher existence.

Jolt_counter119

I'm pretty certain that the physical side of the universe ISN'T the only one.

There is a destiny,which is to build a happy and peaceful human society for everyone.FMAB_GTO