What would America be like if Alex Jones was president?

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#51 Posted by airshocker (29870 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

What an odd point of view. I think its pretty straightforward for most people why it would be embarrassing to witness a public figure who is widely viewed and listened to speaking in public in this manner. It violates civility, classiness and promotes savagery and indecency. You're certainly not forced to either believe in, agree with or care about what he says. But that is not to say that you can't have a feeling towards the whole thing. In fact you cannot not have a feeling if you're a healthy and elevated individual with properly cultivated faculties. I have to say I'm highly contemptuous and disdainful of this kind of mind numbing apathy. Its conducive to nothing but mental degradation and inevitable demoralization. If you do not train your consciousness and your faculties to distinguish between what is right and wrong, what is advantageous and disadvantageous, what is virtuous and depraved...etc it will eventually lose its ability to discern such distinctions and the individual will be forced into perpetual descent and decay, lacking the ability of seeing things for what they truly are and condemning himself to mediocrity and inferiority.

You always call any point of view that isn't your own odd. I think Alex Jones is an idiot, but I'm not embarrassed by him. To be embarrassed by somebody you would have to have a vested interest in that somebody, or what that somebody represents. Perfect example: I'm embarrassed by GOP politicians saying stupid things because I'm a Republican and like it or not, when they're elected they represent me. Alex Jones isn't elected. He's a fringe looney. He can say whatever he wants to and I can ignore him.

Better to have lunatics being able to spout what they will then having people murdered and silenced by an authoritarian government, or theocracy, over what they say.

#52 Posted by airshocker (29870 posts) -
@GazaAli said:

I knew you'd make a reference to that false apprehension of yours.

Just going off of what you say.

#53 Edited by toast_burner (21737 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

What an odd point of view. I think its pretty straightforward for most people why it would be embarrassing to witness a public figure who is widely viewed and listened to speaking in public in this manner. It violates civility, classiness and promotes savagery and indecency. You're certainly not forced to either believe in, agree with or care about what he says. But that is not to say that you can't have a feeling towards the whole thing. In fact you cannot not have a feeling if you're a healthy and elevated individual with properly cultivated faculties. I have to say I'm highly contemptuous and disdainful of this kind of mind numbing apathy. Its conducive to nothing but mental degradation and inevitable demoralization. If you do not train your consciousness and your faculties to distinguish between what is right and wrong, what is advantageous and disadvantageous, what is virtuous and depraved...etc it will eventually lose its ability to discern such distinctions and the individual will be forced into perpetual descent and decay, lacking the ability of seeing things for what they truly are and condemning himself to mediocrity and inferiority.

You always call any point of view that isn't your own odd. I think Alex Jones is an idiot, but I'm not embarrassed by him. To be embarrassed by somebody you would have to have a vested interest in that somebody, or what that somebody represents. Perfect example: I'm embarrassed by GOP politicians saying stupid things because I'm a Republican and like it or not, when they're elected they represent me. Alex Jones isn't elected. He's a fringe looney. He can say whatever he wants to and I can ignore him.

Better to have lunatics being able to spout what they will then having people murdered and silenced by an authoritarian government, or theocracy, over what they say.

Read the title of the thread

EDIT: On second thought I'm not sure if Gaza was being on topic or not.

#54 Edited by vl4d_l3nin (971 posts) -

@hailtothequeen said:

@lamprey263 said:

there's be FEMA death camps for anybody suspected of being an inter-dimensional reptilian shape-shifters

Wait, I thought reptilians were running the FEMA death camps? Or are they the ones creating hurricanes with the weather-control machines? LOL

My favourite one is 'chemicals in the water that make you gay' :D

#55 Edited by KHAndAnime (13869 posts) -

Alex Jones is a pretty cool guy who does pretty interesting things. You can't dismiss the guy outright - he's convinced he has evidence of everything he talks about, which is why he gets angry when people are quick to refute him without looking at his evidence. Tons of bat-shit stuff makes it onto his show, but I can't help but to enjoy the guy's work from time to time. All his Bohemian Grove stuff is phenomenally interesting. A lot of warnings he spreads sound crazy (like hand sanitizers making guys more feminine, along with other things), but interestingly enough if you do the research there is scientific basis behind it, so the guy really isn't 100% insane, just mostly insane.

#56 Edited by GazaAli (22962 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

What an odd point of view. I think its pretty straightforward for most people why it would be embarrassing to witness a public figure who is widely viewed and listened to speaking in public in this manner. It violates civility, classiness and promotes savagery and indecency. You're certainly not forced to either believe in, agree with or care about what he says. But that is not to say that you can't have a feeling towards the whole thing. In fact you cannot not have a feeling if you're a healthy and elevated individual with properly cultivated faculties. I have to say I'm highly contemptuous and disdainful of this kind of mind numbing apathy. Its conducive to nothing but mental degradation and inevitable demoralization. If you do not train your consciousness and your faculties to distinguish between what is right and wrong, what is advantageous and disadvantageous, what is virtuous and depraved...etc it will eventually lose its ability to discern such distinctions and the individual will be forced into perpetual descent and decay, lacking the ability of seeing things for what they truly are and condemning himself to mediocrity and inferiority.

You always call any point of view that isn't your own odd. I think Alex Jones is an idiot, but I'm not embarrassed by him. To be embarrassed by somebody you would have to have a vested interest in that somebody, or what that somebody represents. Perfect example: I'm embarrassed by GOP politicians saying stupid things because I'm a Republican and like it or not, when they're elected they represent me. Alex Jones isn't elected. He's a fringe looney. He can say whatever he wants to and I can ignore him.

Better to have lunatics being able to spout what they will then having people murdered and silenced by an authoritarian government, or theocracy, over what they say.

There exist several gradations in what you might call "having a vested interest in somebody". Likewise, you can be embarrassed with someone on different levels. In the case of Alex Jones, he's an American citizen so you share that with him for a starter. He gets enough public exposure to make him a public figure so in a sense he represents at least a portion of the American population. He gets enough time on TV and radio to make him enough of a relevant individual and an authority for some members of your society. He has all of that going on alongside his lunacy, incivility and borderline dementia. If I were American I'd be embarrassed by him. I won't kill myself over it obviously but I will feel remorse and shame for a second that this man is a fellow American and that he's that much relevant and listened to despite everything that is wrong with him. I expected you to feel embarrassed by him in that sense. I wasn't expecting you to curl up in the corner and weep. Taking your own words to the letter, I might use your line of reasoning against you and wonder how you can be embarrassed by GOP politicians:

Why would I be embarrassed with somebody speaking freely? I'm not forced to believe in what he says. I'm not forced to agree with it. I'm not even forced to care about what he says. So what exactly is supposed to be embarrassing for me?

Unless you're GOP personified, you shouldn't feel embarrassed by them. I think you might be starting to see the flaw in your logic.

You're strangely fixated on coming at me from a liberty point of view, whenever it is or is not appropriate. For instance, I don't recall investigating civil liberties in this topic and I didn't contend Alex Jones' freedom of expression either. I think the stereotype that you and some others might have given me that I'm an enemy of freedom is funny.

#57 Posted by GazaAli (22962 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

Alex Jones is a pretty cool guy who does pretty interesting things. You can't dismiss the guy outright - he's convinced he has evidence of everything he talks about, which is why he gets angry when people are quick to refute him without looking at his evidence. Tons of bat-shit stuff makes it onto his show, but I can't help but to enjoy the guy's work from time to time. All his Bohemian Grove stuff is phenomenally interesting. A lot of warnings he spreads sound crazy (like hand sanitizers making guys more feminine, along with other things), but interestingly enough if you do the research there is scientific basis behind it, so the guy really isn't 100% insane, just mostly insane.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. By virtue of randomness at least, if I set out to talk complete gibberish right now it is inevitable that I will speak of something meaningful or substantial at some point. It may talk a lot of time and it will certainly take a lot of talking which are two things that Jones seems to have an abundance in.

#58 Posted by airshocker (29870 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

What an odd point of view. I think its pretty straightforward for most people why it would be embarrassing to witness a public figure who is widely viewed and listened to speaking in public in this manner. It violates civility, classiness and promotes savagery and indecency. You're certainly not forced to either believe in, agree with or care about what he says. But that is not to say that you can't have a feeling towards the whole thing. In fact you cannot not have a feeling if you're a healthy and elevated individual with properly cultivated faculties. I have to say I'm highly contemptuous and disdainful of this kind of mind numbing apathy. Its conducive to nothing but mental degradation and inevitable demoralization. If you do not train your consciousness and your faculties to distinguish between what is right and wrong, what is advantageous and disadvantageous, what is virtuous and depraved...etc it will eventually lose its ability to discern such distinctions and the individual will be forced into perpetual descent and decay, lacking the ability of seeing things for what they truly are and condemning himself to mediocrity and inferiority.

You always call any point of view that isn't your own odd. I think Alex Jones is an idiot, but I'm not embarrassed by him. To be embarrassed by somebody you would have to have a vested interest in that somebody, or what that somebody represents. Perfect example: I'm embarrassed by GOP politicians saying stupid things because I'm a Republican and like it or not, when they're elected they represent me. Alex Jones isn't elected. He's a fringe looney. He can say whatever he wants to and I can ignore him.

Better to have lunatics being able to spout what they will then having people murdered and silenced by an authoritarian government, or theocracy, over what they say.

There exist several gradations in what you might call "having a vested interest in somebody". Likewise, you can be embarrassed with someone on different levels. In the case of Alex Jones, he's an American citizen so you share that with him for a starter. He gets enough public exposure to make him a public figure so in a sense he represents at least a portion of the American population. He gets enough time on TV and radio to make him enough of a relevant individual and an authority for some members of your society. He has all of that going on alongside his lunacy, incivility and borderline dementia. If I were American I'd be embarrassed by him. I won't kill myself over it obviously but I will feel remorse and shame for a second that this man is a fellow American and that he's that much relevant and listened to despite everything that is wrong with him. I expected you to feel embarrassed by him in that sense. I wasn't expecting you to curl up in the corner and weep. Taking your own words to the letter, I might use your line of reasoning against you and wonder how you can be embarrassed by GOP politicians:

Why would I be embarrassed with somebody speaking freely? I'm not forced to believe in what he says. I'm not forced to agree with it. I'm not even forced to care about what he says. So what exactly is supposed to be embarrassing for me?

Unless you're GOP personified, you shouldn't feel embarrassed by them. I think you might be starting to see the flaw in your logic.

You're strangely fixated on coming at me from a liberty point of view, whenever it is or is not appropriate. For instance, I don't recall investigating civil liberties in this topic and I didn't contend Alex Jones' freedom of expression either. I think the stereotype that you and some others might have given me that I'm an enemy of freedom is funny.

No, there doesn't. I have no vested interest in Alex Jones. So lets focus on just me for a second. He's an american citizen. Sure, but I don't see how that should matter to me. If you were to say the world is round and he disagreed, I would take your side. So him being an american citizen is meaningless to me. He may be an authority to some people but he isn't to me. That's your prerogative, not mine. I'm not embarrassed by what idiots say. They aren't me. They don't speak for me.

There's no flaw in my logic. There's a difference between being embarrassed by someone who is elected to represent me and someone who is a fringe radio host.

You haven't proven to be a friend of liberty. Well, except for your own. You come off as quite the hypocrite sometimes.

#59 Posted by R3FURBISHED (10593 posts) -

Alex Jones is just yet another sensationalist radio host, nothing more.

My personal opinion is he really wants to be like Rush Limbaugh -- and I think that's just terrible in every way possible.

#60 Posted by comp_atkins (31473 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

I can't imagine how embarrassing it must be for Americans to have such a looney fuck going in public saying all this crazy shit while screaming like a mental patient.

how can it be embarrassing when it's so damn entertaining?

#61 Posted by surrealnumber5 (23044 posts) -

he would do two things,

1776 would be every year and every day would be 1776 day.

might attempt to weed out some corruption, or at least point it out.

also free water filters for his supporting base, like obama phones only with water filters.

#62 Posted by BossPerson (9473 posts) -

We would finally be purged of reptilian hybrids in public office

#63 Edited by BranKetra (48733 posts) -

What is the worst that could happen?

#64 Posted by musicalmac (23033 posts) -

I'd be curious to see how his demeanor and rhetoric change during his presidency.

#65 Edited by BranKetra (48733 posts) -
@TruthTellers said:

lol

#66 Posted by bforrester420 (1654 posts) -

@Nuck81 said:

Who?

There is more than one stupid fat bastard conservative on the radio?

There are dozens upon dozens.

#67 Edited by bforrester420 (1654 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

telling everyone you pooped your pants is also exercising your freedom of speech.

Are you suggesting I should be ashamed of my right to free speech? Because that is what GazaAli is suggesting.

No, I think Gaza means that we should be embarrassed that such people are products of our society and that they actually garner an audience.

#68 Posted by surrealnumber5 (23044 posts) -

@bforrester420 said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

telling everyone you pooped your pants is also exercising your freedom of speech.

Are you suggesting I should be ashamed of my right to free speech? Because that is what GazaAli is suggesting.

No, I think Gaza means that we should be embarrassed that such people are products of our society and that they actually garner an audience.

the people should be more embarrassed for electing who they have than some entertainer.

#69 Posted by BSC14 (3893 posts) -

lol...wow.

I'm not suggesting it but wouldn't it be funny (in a sick way) if everything he said ended up being true...

#70 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (971 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

lol...wow.

I'm not suggesting it but wouldn't it be funny (in a sick way) if everything he said ended up being true...

Well, reality would have to implode first, considering he contradicts himself all the time.

#71 Edited by BSC14 (3893 posts) -

@vl4d_l3nin said:

@BSC14 said:

lol...wow.

I'm not suggesting it but wouldn't it be funny (in a sick way) if everything he said ended up being true...

Well, reality would have to implode first, considering he contradicts himself all the time.

I only watched a small clip, I'm not familiar with this guy at all.

#72 Edited by HoolaHoopMan (7805 posts) -

I'm really wondering if Alex Jones can really be this insane. Either he's fucking nuts or the best actor alive.

#73 Posted by Aljosa23 (25112 posts) -

I'm down. The rest of the world only gets comedy during the Republican primaries, with Alex Jones as president we are guaranteed laughs throughout the year, every year.

#74 Posted by dave123321 (34130 posts) -

Let's do it

#75 Posted by airshocker (29870 posts) -

@bforrester420 said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

telling everyone you pooped your pants is also exercising your freedom of speech.

Are you suggesting I should be ashamed of my right to free speech? Because that is what GazaAli is suggesting.

No, I think Gaza means that we should be embarrassed that such people are products of our society and that they actually garner an audience.

I'm not and I don't think anybody else should be.

#76 Edited by GreySeal9 (24411 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@bforrester420 said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

telling everyone you pooped your pants is also exercising your freedom of speech.

Are you suggesting I should be ashamed of my right to free speech? Because that is what GazaAli is suggesting.

No, I think Gaza means that we should be embarrassed that such people are products of our society and that they actually garner an audience.

I'm not and I don't think anybody else should be.

I agree.

If a considerable amount of people on mainstream news networks were acting like Alex Jones, then I'd be concerned, but that's not the case, so...

#77 Edited by Kevlar101 (6204 posts) -

There are people in my family that believe the bullshit this guy says.

#78 Posted by surrealnumber5 (23044 posts) -

@BranKetra said:

What is the worst that could happen?

depends, is the presidency all powerful or completely powerless? because over the last 10 years i have seen massive flippy floppage by partisans on the power that the white house actually has..... though the progression of power has never change and has only continued its increased (IMO)

that whole being cool with openly assassinating citizens thing was a huge step in favor of the white house.

#79 Posted by resevl4rlz (3279 posts) -

@Kevlar101 said:

There are people in my family that believe the bullshit this guy says.

i use to be one of those people till i realize he just fake and making big bucks

#80 Posted by KHAndAnime (13869 posts) -

@resevl4rlz said:

@Kevlar101 said:

There are people in my family that believe the bullshit this guy says.

i use to be one of those people till i realize he just fake and making big bucks

Fairly obvious when he constantly tries to push blatant snake oil products on people

#81 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72262 posts) -

@uninspiredcup: he's a nutcase...

#82 Posted by Mercuria1_King (276 posts) -

Jones would not make a difference if he was elected.

#83 Posted by GazaAli (22962 posts) -

@airshocker said:

You haven't proven to be a friend of liberty. Well, except for your own. You come off as quite the hypocrite sometimes.

I haven't proven to be a friend of liberty because I do not adopt the "yay yay, nay nay" approach? Because I do not support or oppose something blindly? Well maybe I'm not a friend of liberty if you think of it this way. Maybe I'm guilty of attempting to have the intellect and the potential to examine an issue or a situation individually instead of opting for the much more easier and straightforward approach of just lumping everything and anything pertain to a certain domain or sphere and decide beforehand what my stand on it all. What you perceive as hypocrisy, constituted in mistaken inconsistency, is an expression of that attempt. Now I may succeed in that endeavor and I may fail, but at least I try and trial does not make me a hypocrite. Not trying however would make me dumb and a philistine.

It feels that some of you people talk about things they don't understand. You claim to have something you don't have, full liberty. Furthermore, you parade the utility and joys and pleasures of something that cannot be had in the first place.

#84 Posted by BSC14 (3893 posts) -

The way I see it he's almost as wacky as our president and his terrorist friend Bill Aryes and racist buddy Jeremiah Wright. Oh yeah...truth hurts huh?

#85 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

Who is Alex Jones?

#86 Posted by jasean79 (2375 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Who is Alex Jones?

Look up www.infowars.com

That's the site he runs.

#87 Posted by airshocker (29870 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

You haven't proven to be a friend of liberty. Well, except for your own. You come off as quite the hypocrite sometimes.

I haven't proven to be a friend of liberty because I do not adopt the "yay yay, nay nay" approach? Because I do not support or oppose something blindly? Well maybe I'm not a friend of liberty if you think of it this way. Maybe I'm guilty of attempting to have the intellect and the potential to examine an issue or a situation individually instead of opting for the much more easier and straightforward approach of just lumping everything and anything pertain to a certain domain or sphere and decide beforehand what my stand on it all. What you perceive as hypocrisy, constituted in mistaken inconsistency, is an expression of that attempt. Now I may succeed in that endeavor and I may fail, but at least I try and trial does not make me a hypocrite. Not trying however would make me dumb and a philistine.

It feels that some of you people talk about things they don't understand. You claim to have something you don't have, full liberty. Furthermore, you parade the utility and joys and pleasures of something that cannot be had in the first place.

What the heck is a "yay yay, nay nay" approach? Dude, you have quite clearly not supported individual freedoms in the past. There's no middle ground. Either you support liberty to as much as an extent as is reasonably possible, or you don't.

How does that make you a hypocrite? You want freedom from Israel in Gaza. How can you want and advocate for freedom for yourself and then not do so for other people? That is hypocrisy.

No, I've never claimed to have full liberty. I'm advocating for much more liberty than I currently have.

#88 Posted by PcGamingRig (7094 posts) -

Probably war or at least chaos considering he seems to think every action that he takes has somehow been altered or manipulated by someone else, and every move someone else makes is guilty of some conspiracy.

if he genuinely believes it, that is, and it isn't just for views and listeners.

#89 Edited by zpluffy (254 posts) -

@GazaAli:

Nah dude, there's nothing embarrassing about that. Especially if it won't affect your lifestyle. Sure there would be face palm moments but as long as I have a CHOICE to choose whether to listen to him or not, no single sh!t is given.

#90 Edited by Riverwolf007 (23860 posts) -

a spaceship in every garage and a turkey in every pot... that you can perform an alien autopsy on.

#91 Edited by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

It would be pretty sweet, the IRS and CIA would gone hopefully and we wouldn't be supporting and creating "terrorist" groups like ISIS (created by the CIA not so surprisingly). I like Alex, he's fun to listen to when he gets all emotional, the only thing I'm not a fan of is how murch religion he brings to the mix but that's his thing. I'd vote for him before any of the puppets on the left or the right.

#92 Posted by whipassmt (14034 posts) -

Better yet, what if Mike Jones was president.

#93 Posted by SpartanMSU (3440 posts) -

@GazaAli:

You're a human being and I'm a human being. So we have that connection.

With that said, I can now say I'm embarrassed of you.