What was the main reason for the Japanese defeat in WW2?

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#51 branketra
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@sSubZerOo said:
@BranKetra said:

A quick version:

The Japanese miscalculated the naval and more importantly, industrial capabilities of the United States which caused the isolated attack on Pearl Harbor which for decades remained the only attack on American soil in the history of this nation until September 11, 2001. However, the main reason the Japanese were defeated was because of nuclear bombs destroying their cities. They had no defense against that obliterating force which annihilated Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the civilians living, there. The emperor was challenged by the military powers within Japan, but his claim to divine rule surpassed their authority, so Japan surrendered.

If not for Little Boy and Fat Man, millions of American lives would have been lost to claim the capital; there was a possible alternative.

That isn't exactly true, Japan was already in talks with Russia about their surrender during those bombings. Furthermore no invasion would have been needed in leading to Japan's surrender. Japan was more or less bleeding to death when Us navy reached their shores lines to begin with, the top brass saw that.. Hell it was why Japan attacked to begin with because the US cut off their oil supply which their empire would slowly bleeding to death..

Are you saying that America bombed Japan for essentially nothing?

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#52  Edited By jun_aka_pekto
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@sSubZerOo said:
@BranKetra said:

A quick version:

The Japanese miscalculated the naval and more importantly, industrial capabilities of the United States which caused the isolated attack on Pearl Harbor which for decades remained the only attack on American soil in the history of this nation until September 11, 2001. However, the main reason the Japanese were defeated was because of nuclear bombs destroying their cities. They had no defense against that obliterating force which annihilated Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the civilians living, there. The emperor was challenged by the military powers within Japan, but his claim to divine rule surpassed their authority, so Japan surrendered.

If not for Little Boy and Fat Man, millions of American lives would have been lost to claim the capital; there was a possible alternative.

That isn't exactly true, Japan was already in talks with Russia about their surrender during those bombings. Furthermore no invasion would have been needed in leading to Japan's surrender. Japan was more or less bleeding to death when Us navy reached their shores lines to begin with, the top brass saw that.. Hell it was why Japan attacked to begin with because the US cut off their oil supply which their empire would slowly bleeding to death..

What were the surrender terms with the Russians? Anything short of unconditional surrender would have been turned down by the US. Japan certainly did not need to go to the Russians for that.

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#53 jun_aka_pekto
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I think this is a good reference for the effects of the air and submarine blockade on Japanese shipping. The raw materials figures are very telling.

http://ww2-weapons.com/History/Production/Japan/

1943 was still fine. Then 1944 is when the effectiveness started to show. By 1945.......Pffft. Japan was pretty much being strangled.

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#55 branketra
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@jun_aka_pekto said:

I think this is a good reference for the effects of the air and submarine blockade on Japanese shipping. The raw materials figures are very telling.

http://ww2-weapons.com/History/Production/Japan/

1943 was still fine. Then 1944 is when the effectiveness started to show. By 1945.......Pffft. Japan was pretty much being strangled.

That is clear by those numbers.

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#56 branketra
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@magicalclick: I understand gunboat diplomacy and the later brinkmanship, but what would you call this strategy you are describing?