What if Lara Croft was ugly?

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#1  Edited By BboyStatix
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Would the game still be as popular as it is today? Would people care?

I'm asking this because I find it very unappealing to play a female protagonist in a game that is ugly. Like idk I know the focus is supposed to be on the game and her character but still...

On the other hand I have zero problem with playing an ugly male protagonist. I feel that in terms of male protagonists, developers don't have to put effort into making them handsome. Nobody had any problem playing Niko Bellic in gta 4 lol...

TLDR: Male protagonists don't have to be handsome but female protagonists have to be visually appealing most of the time. IMO

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#2  Edited By lamprey263
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What if Nathan Drake looked like Gabe Newell?

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#3 KHAndAnime
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@lamprey263 said:

What if Nathan Drake looked like Gabe Newell?

You can thanks to the Donut Drake skin. And it's fuckin awesome.

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#4  Edited By lamprey263
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@KHAndAnime said:

@lamprey263 said:

What if Nathan Drake looked like Gabe Newell?

You can thanks to the Donut Drake skin. And it's fuckin awesome.

Would it really be awesome if the only skin you got to play as was a donut skin variant, like say oh you can be a plain cake, or with colorful sprinkles, or a maple bar, etc?

EDIT: oh, I see what you mean by Donut Drake, forgot about that I thought you were being literal like tofu in Resident Evil :P

But, my sentiment stands that if these were the default character for the series and not some kind of MP variant would the appeal be the same? And to that I think not.

TC is trying to suggest that our appreciation of female characters is sexually driven in nature and therefor we're exceptionally bad for this. It's funny though, women do the same thing, superficially determine who captivates their attention on looks rather than merit of character. And it's not always sexual in nature either. Men and women, gay or straight, are generally attracted to... well, the attractive.

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#5  Edited By BboyStatix
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@lamprey263: I agree with your point that the appeal would not be the same. Like I can tell a lot of people would be quite put off if Nathan drake looked like Trevor in the next iteration. But I personally believe it would not destroy the franchise because of that.

On the other hand if Lara looked like a female version of Trevor in the next iteration (oh God) it would spell death for the tomb raider franchise.

It's a little bit biased towards the genders and I think it has to do with the fact that men are visual creatures by nature.

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#6  Edited By Nengo_Flow
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what if good looking people werent the ones we saw on TV and movies?

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#7 jun_aka_pekto
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That's why I prefer the first-person view. I can always pretend it's me. ;-)

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@Nengo_Flow said:

what if good looking people werent the ones we saw on TV and movies?

Society would collapse and the world as we know it would end.

I mean, what else would happen? :P

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@jun_aka_pekto said:

That's why I prefer the first-person view. I can always pretend it's me. ;-)

Indeed. FPS FTW!

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@jun_aka_pekto: and then you look down and see no bulge in your pants xD

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#11  Edited By MuD3
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I don't necessarily wan't to play any "ugly" character, male or female... especially in games where customization is a factor. Niko's appearance did actually make the game slightly less enjoyable for me. And in GTA 5 there was only one set of clothing I would ever put Trevor in because I didn't like the way he looked in any of the other stuff.

Now, this barely had an impact on my enjoyment, but there was AN impact. I don't think an ugly character could ever turn me off from a game by itself though.

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@BboyStatix said:

@jun_aka_pekto: and then you look down and see no bulge in your pants xD

That's fine. It's not like I spend time looking at my junk . ;-)

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I may find someone really attractive, whilst someone else may completely feel the opposite way about them.

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#14 PernicioEnigma
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I think it could still work, but they'd need to give her a more interesting personality.

@BattleSpectre said:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I may find someone really attractive, whilst someone else may completely feel the opposite way about them.

Everyone's heard that before, and while there's certainly some truth to it, there are also traits that most men find inherently attractive in women. I'm not going to list them, but unsurprisingly they mostly relate to health and fertility.

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weird question......

Especially considering what the first Tomb Raider game looked like..... all pixelated and blocky models.....

I think its safe to say nobody found her attractive back then.....

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#16  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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Mmm, that's the kind of face that sold me.

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No, obviously.

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#18 dylandr
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@lamprey263: The game would only be funny :p

already see the mighty gaben killing whole legions of peasants! (JOKE, don't get your nips twisted people)

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#19  Edited By elkoldo
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Then the series wouldn't have sold millions.

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#20 deactivated-5b797108c254e
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Undecided whether this belongs in Off-Topic or not. If you guys keep this discussion on the behavioural side of things I'll leave it, if you focus on the gaming aspect I'll move it to Games Discussion. Either way, interesting topic.

Personally speaking I don't really have a preference on the look of my characters, except if it's an established franchise and they completely change the look of the character, then it feels a bit weird. It's ok if it's a reboot, though. I don't think the look of a character influences how attached I get to his/her fate.

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#21 DaVillain  Moderator
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Angelina Jolie Was a good looking Lara Croft in Tomb Raider.

@korvus Well since this is OT after all, Lara Craft had a live movie after all and for all I know, some people could be talking about the movie as I stated.

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#22  Edited By deactivated-5b797108c254e
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@davillain-: That would make "playing Lara Croft" a whole different meaning =P

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@korvus: Still waiting for the Steam exclusive DLC for MGS

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@dylandr: LOL! Day one purchase right there

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@BboyStatix said:

Would the game still be as popular as it is today? Would people care?

I'm asking this because I find it very unappealing to play a female protagonist in a game that is ugly. Like idk I know the focus is supposed to be on the game and her character but still...

On the other hand I have zero problem with playing an ugly male protagonist. I feel that in terms of male protagonists, developers don't have to put effort into making them handsome. Nobody had any problem playing Niko Bellic in gta 4 lol...

TLDR: Male protagonists don't have to be handsome but female protagonists have to be visually appealing most of the time. IMO

I always thought that lara was fugly before her 2013 makeover. I still liked the games.

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Most people hate playing ugly characters, male or female. So yes, it would greatly affect the game's success.

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She is ugly, look at the original game. Not enough polygons :p

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#28 BboyStatix
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@magmadragoonx4: well you could say there weren't enough polygons but at least the polygons were in the places that mattered ;) Btw don't forget the nude mods that came out looool

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This makes me wonder why there aren't more ugly characters in team superhero movies.

I mean, yeah...I get it. No one goes to the movies to watch ugly people, so I totally understand that even the ugly people in movies usually tend to be Hollywood Ugly.

My question is, why aren't there more characters that are at least Hollywood Ugly? I mean, I guess there's that new Fantastic Four movie coming out, and The Thing would technically qualify as ugly, but he's also built like a badass and can Clobber shit like you wouldn't believe.

But that sort of brings me to my point. Yeah, The Thing is "ugly" and a "freak", but he makes up for it by being able to clobber shit really well. And if that ain't enough, he's part of a team. The rest of the Fantastic Four are pretty damn attractive, so it's sort of okay to have one dude on the team who sort of looks like a piece of shit.

Or let me bring up another example. Has anyone here seen Nightbreed? It has a fairly forgettable Clive Barker "horror" movie with the catch that the protagonists were monsters. And the plot sort of revolved around a community of monsters being attacked by humans and having to slaughter humans for their own survival. So, basically a "monsters killing humans" movie, except that the monsters were "mostly" (sort of) the good guys. But my point is this...the lead monster was a pretty good looking dude. i mean, granted it was the 90's so we'd probably laugh at his clothes and hair now, but he was a pretty sexy dude. And making the main monster a sexy dude allowed the filmmakers to make some of the other monsters even uglier. If I recall, there actually was a monster on "the team" who literally WAS a pile of shit. And I mean LITERALLY a pile of shit. When our Hot Human Protagonist finds out he's a monster and meets the crew, we're introduced to a guy who is LITERALLY just a big old stinky pile of literal feces. And...that's okay. Because it's okay to have the token ugly guy, as long as it's working within a team dynamic.

So here's my question...with "expanded universes" being the hot thing right now, shouldn't we have more ugly heroes?

And yes...I totally understand why the ugly guy wouldn't be able to carry his own movie. But, like, think of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. There are already so many heroes there, that it wouldn't hurt to have ONE guy (or gal) who is just plain ugly as shit and still manages to be likable either through personality or ethics or just having badass abilities. As much as people always complained about the "token black guy", at least that trope recognized that black people EXIST and can actually not be evil. Sure, Token Black Guy usually gets killed off (though it's been less common that he dies pointlessly, or is the first one to die), but it's a SMALL victory: a black guy can be on the good side, and a good guy can be black (even if he's the first to die).

But somehow, we just don't see that in modern superhero movies. I mean, look at Blade. That was a while ago, but one thing that bothered me was when Blade discovered the fatass Vampire and totured him for information. And then the fatass Vampire gave up the information and then Blade continued to torture that vampire anyway, just for shits and giggles. It's like, vampires were built up to be this big threat (otherwise Blade would have no reason rto kill them all). Then our hero meets te ugliest fucking vampire in the entire movie and it's okay for Blade to torture that vampire just for fun just because that vampire is ugly as shit.

But I mean...look at the Avengers. Or more appropriately, the X-Men. Especially X-Men. Given that X-Men are mutants and have their powers imbedded in their genes, doesn't it stand to reason that some mutants with fascinating powers or stories would just plain happen to be ugly as shit? Oh, it's okay for the VILLAINS to be fucking ugly, like MODOK or the Blob. But the GOOD GUYS? You're either not ugly, or you're ugly and made absolutely useless so that we can use your uselessness as a way to get rid of The Ugly Guy. We RARELY get a "Fantastic Four" situation in which one of the heroes is just a butt-ugly monster. Which seems kind of weird. Because expanding the cinematic universe SHOULD allow the ugly people to plkay off of the pretty people, which SHOULD allow us to at least ACKNOWLEDGE that sometimes the butt-ugly people can actually be the good guys.

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@MrGeezer said:

This makes me wonder why there aren't more ugly characters in team superhero movies.

I mean, yeah...I get it. No one goes to the movies to watch ugly people, so I totally understand that even the ugly people in movies usually tend to be Hollywood Ugly.

My question is, why aren't there more characters that are at least Hollywood Ugly? I mean, I guess there's that new Fantastic Four movie coming out, and The Thing would technically qualify as ugly, but he's also built like a badass and can Clobber shit like you wouldn't believe.

But that sort of brings me to my point. Yeah, The Thing is "ugly" and a "freak", but he makes up for it by being able to clobber shit really well. And if that ain't enough, he's part of a team. The rest of the Fantastic Four are pretty damn attractive, so it's sort of okay to have one dude on the team who sort of looks like a piece of shit.

Or let me bring up another example. Has anyone here seen Nightbreed? It has a fairly forgettable Clive Barker "horror" movie with the catch that the protagonists were monsters. And the plot sort of revolved around a community of monsters being attacked by humans and having to slaughter humans for their own survival. So, basically a "monsters killing humans" movie, except that the monsters were "mostly" (sort of) the good guys. But my point is this...the lead monster was a pretty good looking dude. i mean, granted it was the 90's so we'd probably laugh at his clothes and hair now, but he was a pretty sexy dude. And making the main monster a sexy dude allowed the filmmakers to make some of the other monsters even uglier. If I recall, there actually was a monster on "the team" who literally WAS a pile of shit. And I mean LITERALLY a pile of shit. When our Hot Human Protagonist finds out he's a monster and meets the crew, we're introduced to a guy who is LITERALLY just a big old stinky pile of literal feces. And...that's okay. Because it's okay to have the token ugly guy, as long as it's working within a team dynamic.

So here's my question...with "expanded universes" being the hot thing right now, shouldn't we have more ugly heroes?

And yes...I totally understand why the ugly guy wouldn't be able to carry his own movie. But, like, think of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. There are already so many heroes there, that it wouldn't hurt to have ONE guy (or gal) who is just plain ugly as shit and still manages to be likable either through personality or ethics or just having badass abilities. As much as people always complained about the "token black guy", at least that trope recognized that black people EXIST and can actually not be evil. Sure, Token Black Guy usually gets killed off (though it's been less common that he dies pointlessly, or is the first one to die), but it's a SMALL victory: a black guy can be on the good side, and a good guy can be black (even if he's the first to die).

But somehow, we just don't see that in modern superhero movies. I mean, look at Blade. That was a while ago, but one thing that bothered me was when Blade discovered the fatass Vampire and totured him for information. And then the fatass Vampire gave up the information and then Blade continued to torture that vampire anyway, just for shits and giggles. It's like, vampires were built up to be this big threat (otherwise Blade would have no reason rto kill them all). Then our hero meets te ugliest fucking vampire in the entire movie and it's okay for Blade to torture that vampire just for fun just because that vampire is ugly as shit.

But I mean...look at the Avengers. Or more appropriately, the X-Men. Especially X-Men. Given that X-Men are mutants and have their powers imbedded in their genes, doesn't it stand to reason that some mutants with fascinating powers or stories would just plain happen to be ugly as shit? Oh, it's okay for the VILLAINS to be fucking ugly, like MODOK or the Blob. But the GOOD GUYS? You're either not ugly, or you're ugly and made absolutely useless so that we can use your uselessness as a way to get rid of The Ugly Guy. We RARELY get a "Fantastic Four" situation in which one of the heroes is just a butt-ugly monster. Which seems kind of weird. Because expanding the cinematic universe SHOULD allow the ugly people to plkay off of the pretty people, which SHOULD allow us to at least ACKNOWLEDGE that sometimes the butt-ugly people can actually be the good guys.

I notice you always write very much on comments. You can make your point in few words as not everyones going to read so much lol. On good side you make good points, try to say it in few words to get it across to everyone HeHe

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@indzman said:

I notice you always write very much on comments. You can make your point in few words as not everyones going to read so much lol. On good side you make good points, try to say it in few words to get it across to everyone HeHe

Thanks for the suggestion, but no way. **** that.

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@MrGeezer said:

@indzman said:

I notice you always write very much on comments. You can make your point in few words as not everyones going to read so much lol. On good side you make good points, try to say it in few words to get it across to everyone HeHe

Thanks for the suggestion, but no way. **** that.

Well that was short and to the point lol

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@magmadragoonx4: ikr just not enough poligons!

how could they forget those!?

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#34 KHAndAnime
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There is plenty of ugly people in movies and television. Ever take a look at Mike from Better Call Saul? He's one ugly mother. What about Steve Buscemi?

Hell - you could argue that Hannibal, despite dressing like a handsome devil, is kind of ugly.

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@KHAndAnime said:

There is plenty of ugly people in movies and television. Ever take a look at Mike from Better Call Saul? He's one ugly mother. What about Steve Buscemi?

Hell - you could argue that Hannibal, despite dressing like a handsome devil, is kind of ugly.

That's true, although I think video games tends to be akin more towards animation than live action.

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#36 PSP107
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@KHAndAnime: "Hell - you could argue that Hannibal, despite dressing like a handsome devil, is kind of ugly."

I think men don't have to be young and handsome to keep getting work in movies/TV. Women are a different story.

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Tom Cruise is 52 kissing 29 year olds.

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She wasn't exactly pretty in the earlier games.

Honestly I don't think most people would mind it.

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What if she's 400 lbs, will you still like her?!... probably not.

..... wait, someone gonna say, yes!!!

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Characterization matters , not the looks.

@KHAndAnime said:

There is plenty of ugly people in movies and television. Ever take a look at Mike from Better Call Saul? He's one ugly mother. What about Steve Buscemi?

Hell - you could argue that Hannibal, despite dressing like a handsome devil, is kind of ugly.

This proves my point.

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@lamprey263 said:

What if Nathan Drake looked like Gabe Newell?

It would be the greatest game of all time.