What if a Man loved you

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#1 Posted by playmynutz (5982 posts) -

He was kind to you and paid a lot of attention to you. When no one else cared he made you feel special. And he wanted to please you sexually.

I'm trying squash the whole "people are born gay" theory. I think a male in certain circumstances may become gay. Have you seen the movie Midnight Express?

I'm secure with my sexuality so I have no problem asking the toughest questions to the gay movement. Why is it common belief people 'come out of the closet' more than say a gay person becoming straight?

Honestly my biggest issue with the gay movement is how glamorized they are on mainstream media and people act like its such a huge political deal when real issues like marijuana legalization is still taboo.

Back to the main point; Can't any of us men become gay in certain circumstances? If straight males would admit it instead of pleading they were born straight, the gay preference wouldn't be newsworthy.

#2 Edited by Master_Live (14429 posts) -

Well, people who "come out of the closet" are people which for x or y reason thought it was better for them to hide their sexual preferences.

As for becoming gay, well, if someone let me play with their nuts I might consider it.

#3 Posted by Aljosa23 (24851 posts) -

I think you need to leave off the weed, man.

#4 Posted by Renevent42 (5195 posts) -

Hey, if he's nice to you and you don't mind playing with another dude's balls go for it. For me, no, no way in hell.

#5 Posted by plageus900 (1045 posts) -

I'm trying squash the whole "people are born gay" theory. I think a male in certain circumstances may become gay. Have you seen the movie Midnight Express?

Why? I know plenty of men that have never had the slightest attraction to females.

#6 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@plageus900: That doesn't mean they were born gay, just sayin'...

#7 Edited by thegerg (15063 posts) -

"Honestly my biggest issue with the gay movement is how glamorized they are on mainstream media"

Straight people are glamorized as well.

Anyway, do you have anything to support your belief that sexuality is a choice?

When did you choose your sexuality?

#8 Posted by indzman (17601 posts) -

@thegerg said:

"Honestly my biggest issue with the gay movement is how glamorized they are on mainstream media"

Straight people are glamorized as well.

Anyway, do you have anything to support your belief that sexuality is a choice?

When did you choose your sexuality?

lol wut

#9 Posted by Daforsaken1 (71 posts) -

EH? lolwut?? why would I change my gender for something that's cool on the mainstream??

#11 Posted by XilePrincess (13129 posts) -

My dad was a total D bag and I didn't turn into a lesbian... or does it only go the other way?

Why are people coming out of the closet? Because it's still 'wrong' to be gay to a lot of people. Lots of gay kids get kicked out of their homes, beaten, and abandoned entirely by everyone they love. It's very sad. That's why people still hide it and have to 'come out', because it's not a thing so widely accepted that it can be shared without fear of a negative response. It's not viewed by everyone as just a preference (eg strawberry jam is better than grape jam). It can be a horrific revelation that, to the people around you, is the equivalent of discovering you're the antichrist.

Basically, the people who are closeted are so because of folks like yourself who feel the need to question, pick apart and try to argue about it.

Being gay isn't glamorized. It's just making its' way into the media like everything else did as it became 'acceptable' in the world to show. It didn't mean it wasn't happening, it just wasn't yet shown in media. From the first couple shown in the same bed on TV, to women being shown in power roles, to interracial couples in TV and movies, it's all found its way into media long after it started happening in the real world.

#12 Posted by CountBleck12 (22756 posts) -

Why are people coming out of the closet? Because it's still 'wrong' to be gay to a lot of people. Lots of gay kids get kicked out of their homes, beaten, and abandoned entirely by everyone they love. It's very sad. That's why people still hide it and have to 'come out', because it's not a thing so widely accepted that it can be shared without fear of a negative response. It's not viewed by everyone as just a preference (eg strawberry jam is better than grape jam). It can be a horrific revelation that, to the people around you, is the equivalent of discovering you're the antichrist.

Yup, that's pretty much the sad reality..

#13 Edited by lamprey263 (23547 posts) -

I don't entirely agree with the "we're born that way" thing. I think we're products of our environment and experiences, and our sexuality could come from a number of influences. Though I do agree to some extent genetics can play a factor. Anyhow, I believe the "we're born that way" argument came about because opponents against homosexuals tried treating it like a disorder that can be fixed, or that it was just a lifestyle choice, and the opposition to that opposition had no other way to really challenge that but bring up some kind of genetically innate reason for explaining it. I don't buy the "we're born that way" argument, but I've no problems with homosexuality. I mean, perfectly straight men go to prison and... well, you know.

#14 Edited by alim298 (1340 posts) -

@XilePrincess: I'm pretty uninformed on the subject but you said people viewed gays as abnormal people. People who are mentally sick. On the other hand we have the gay movement claiming that sexual identity can't be changed and it's something you're born with and will die with. more than fifty years have passed since the start of this movement and still there's no creditable evidence that such thing is true. Sure you hear people researching the matter but if they have truly discovered something isn't this the right time to reveal it to people? Isn't it more about preference rather than identity? Isn't someone who says he has no desires for the opposite sex preferring the same sex to a great extent rather than being born with it? Isn't human mind more complicated than always being in a state of either yes or no? It appears to me that such claim merely exists as a shield against gay haters. But it's important to know that you can't defend yourself using a lie.

#15 Posted by Master_Live (14429 posts) -

@alim298 said:

But it's important to know that you can't defend yourself using a lie.

Sure you can.

#16 Posted by XilePrincess (13129 posts) -

@alim298 said:

@XilePrincess: I'm pretty uninformed on the subject but you said people viewed gays as abnormal people. People who are mentally sick. On the other hand we have the gay movement claiming that sexual identity can't be changed and it's something you're born with and will die with. more than fifty years have passed since the start of this movement and still there's no creditable evidence that such thing is true. Sure you hear people researching the matter but if they have truly discovered something isn't this the right time to reveal it to people? Isn't it more about preference rather than identity? Isn't someone who says he has no desires for the opposite sex preferring the same sex to a great extent rather than being born with it? Isn't human mind more complicated than always being in a state of either yes or no? It appears to me that such claim merely exists as a shield against gay haters. But it's important to know that you can't defend yourself using a lie.

Religion is the reason homosexuality is frowned upon. Literally that and NOTHING else. Multiple religions have ideas against homosexuality, sodomy, etc. that stem from passages that have been translated over and over and then interpreted the way people see fit. This is the only reason people view gays as abnormal or 'wrong'. Religion has skewed the world's views beyond repair.

Homosexuality exists in nature. There are animals who have been observed as only having same-sex relations, while others within their species have heterosexual relations only. These facts are not a secret, people just refuse to believe they can also apply to humans because (I guess) they believe that humans can be somehow coerced into homosexuality and animals cannot, or simply dismiss them as broken mutations. If science revealed without a doubt that there was a genetic difference between gay and straight people, it would likely be ignored, or taken as 'gays are not the same as straights and therefore they are inferior' and the bigots would run with that.

While I am in the agreement that human sexuality extends far beyond the constraints of gay or straight and think it would be much more obvious should we not have a social stigma attached to being one or the other or neither or both, I must ask, were you born straight or did you choose it? Did you ever really think about your sexual preferences, and if you 'decided' one way or the other, why? Why constrain your sexuality based on gender? Why 'choose'?

I can say I never consciously chose or actively decided a preference between men or women. Why should I argue with someone who says that their natural strong favoring of the same sex is any less valid than my natural strong favoring of the opposite? Why would me saying I have no desires for the same sex be accepted without question, but someone saying the opposite would be grilled for it?


#17 Posted by Shmiity (5101 posts) -

I just like how your name is "Playmynutz" and this thread is about gay men.

#18 Posted by VaguelyTagged (10157 posts) -

the problem with your premise is that no man can make you feel special when you're straight. it's not like one's sexual orientation alters through the process of feeling special. lol

#19 Posted by Korvus (3554 posts) -

Who cares why people are gay? Whether they are born gay or choose to become gay. What would it change? Let people love who they want, sleep with whomever they want and live the way they want...it's their life so why would you need an explanation when you're completely unaffected by it? (or should be, at least)

As for your question, there was never a point in my life where I sat down and made a list of reasons to like boys or girls; I've always been attracted to girls and that was it, so I have no reason to think it happened any other way for gay people. I also can't say it's impossible for a hetero to become gay or vice versa, but I really can't imagine anything that could happen to me in order to make me sexually attracted to men.

#20 Posted by toast_burner (21522 posts) -

The idea that being gay is a choice is completely idiotic, it's so far from logical that only an insane idiot would think it.

Coming out the closet doesn't mean becoming gay, it means accepting what you always were.

#21 Edited by elkoldo (1047 posts) -

lol

#22 Posted by SapSacPrime (8761 posts) -

The theory that people can become gay ties in more with the belief that it is more of an affliction, a mental illness if you like. It's a belief many parent's cling to in the hope that their child will one day "get better", but from my experience your sexual orientation is something you are born with (or at least set very early in your life).

#23 Edited by sukraj (22608 posts) -

I wouldn't let another man touch my balls.

#24 Posted by natsm (60 posts) -

i would be disgusted

#25 Edited by MlauTheDaft (3650 posts) -

I personally believe that people can be born gay but let me ask you this as well:

Does your sex drive stop if you strand on an island for years and everyone is of the same gender? Do prisons stop your sex drive? Do mono gender schools?

Edit:

This is just another anti gay thread ;)

#26 Edited by thegerg (15063 posts) -
#27 Posted by lostrib (35891 posts) -

that would be unfortunate for him

#28 Posted by deeliman (2423 posts) -

Politely decline

#29 Edited by hippiesanta (9839 posts) -

a hairy doctor did touch my balls and stick his finger in my arse.... for check-ups ... and it's ok ... lolz

#30 Posted by TheFlush (5539 posts) -

No matter how nice a woman would treat me, I could never fall in love with her.
I could love her as a friend, think she looks beautiful, but women don't give me butterflies in my stomach. ever.

#31 Edited by KHAndAnime (13636 posts) -

I guess it really depend if you consider having gay sex automatically makes someone gay. Would I consider Billy Hayes gay? I don't know. If a guy enjoys gay sex but has absolutely no emotional interest or attachment to men - does that make him gay? What about a guy who doesn't have any sex but has emotional interest and attachment to men? Who's gayer?

#32 Posted by LordQuorthon (5322 posts) -

CONGRATS BRO U STOPPED TEH GAY AGENDIR!

#33 Posted by Aljosa23 (24851 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@thegerg said:

"Honestly my biggest issue with the gay movement is how glamorized they are on mainstream media"

Straight people are glamorized as well.

Anyway, do you have anything to support your belief that sexuality is a choice?

When did you choose your sexuality?

OP says his problem is that gay people are glamorized, I simply pointed out to him that straight people are glamorized as well.

I then asked him to support his belief that ones sexuality is a choice.

After that, in order to reinforce the point, I asked him when he chose his sexuality.

Can you not read?

What is going on

Are you talking to yourself?

#34 Edited by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@indzman said:

@thegerg said:

"Honestly my biggest issue with the gay movement is how glamorized they are on mainstream media"

Straight people are glamorized as well.

Anyway, do you have anything to support your belief that sexuality is a choice?

When did you choose your sexuality?

lol wut

OP says his problem is that gay people are glamorized, I simply pointed out to him that straight people are glamorized as well.

I then asked him to support his belief that ones sexuality is a choice.

After that, in order to reinforce the point, I asked him when he chose his sexuality.

Can you not read?

#35 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@Aljosa23: No, I was trying to quote someone else.

#36 Posted by magicalclick (22563 posts) -

I don't know I am born gay or not. All I know is, I love hot dog. I love getting stuffed anywhere. Aside from the activity, I am all fluffy inside when I hug a bear guy. That is not something I would feel when I hug a slim gay or a girl.

I can choose to have a family with a girl. Really, I wanted a family and such idea is an easier way out. But, then, I want the fun activities. I want to get fluffy when hugging a bear.

It is hard to debate on this. But, figuratively speaking, I am likely born gay. Whether I want to continue live as gay or pretend as straight, is a choice.

#37 Posted by ad1x2 (5565 posts) -

Religion is the reason homosexuality is frowned upon. Literally that and NOTHING else.

Not really. There are plenty of people who are against homosexuals that are either atheists or are religious but don't specifically follow a denomination that is against homosexuality. A lot of people who aren't against homosexuality for religious reasons feel that way because they feel like male homosexuals aren't "real" men.

Not to mention it's not hard to find men who are against male homosexuals for non-religious reasons but frequently jerk off to lesbian porn.

#38 Edited by ail_taco (119 posts) -

declne, offer a platonic friendship, and hope for the best

#39 Posted by Brutal_Elitegs (16202 posts) -

Why are people coming out of the closet? Because it's still 'wrong' to be gay to a lot of people. Lots of gay kids get kicked out of their homes, beaten, and abandoned entirely by everyone they love. It's very sad. That's why people still hide it and have to 'come out', because it's not a thing so widely accepted that it can be shared without fear of a negative response. It's not viewed by everyone as just a preference (eg strawberry jam is better than grape jam). It can be a horrific revelation that, to the people around you, is the equivalent of discovering you're the antichrist.

Case in point.

#40 Edited by Byshop (11339 posts) -

@playmynutz: It cracks me up that you wrote this post assuming everyone who reads it is male. Also, that you think legalization of weed is somehow more important.

-Byshop

#41 Posted by Iszdope (9884 posts) -

Already happened.

I told him to get his hand off it.

#42 Edited by Korvus (3554 posts) -

That video is horrible but the comment section on it manages to be a hell of a lot worse...makes me so angry to read stuff like that...

Nobody needs to "like" homosexuality, I'm sure most gays can live with that, but to actually go out and say that gay people should kill themselves and that homosexuality is like pedophilia, necrophilia and whatever else is just...I don't even know what to call it...

#43 Posted by toast_burner (21522 posts) -

@korvus said:

That video is horrible but the comment section on it manages to be a hell of a lot worse...makes me so angry to read stuff like that...

Nobody needs to "like" homosexuality, I'm sure most gays can live with that, but to actually go out and say that gay people should kill themselves and that homosexuality is like pedophilia, necrophilia and whatever else is just...I don't even know what to call it...

The parents openly admit that they care more about what other people think of them than there own son. Absolutely vile disgusting people. No love except the love for themselves.

#44 Posted by Korvus (3554 posts) -

@toast_burner: They sound so utterly disgusted...like he raped and murdered someone "I have a lot of friends that are gay, but they're friends, they're not related to me..."

#45 Posted by toast_burner (21522 posts) -

@korvus said:

@toast_burner: They sound so utterly disgusted...like he raped and murdered someone "I have a lot of friends that are gay, but they're friends, they're not related to me..."

How do they live with themselves? If they had the teeniest bit of humanity in them those words would be echoing in their heads until the day they die. But unfortunately they probably don't think, they don't care about what they could have done to make things better, they have no regrets, they're just empty shells of people.

#46 Posted by Jacanuk (4339 posts) -

@korvus said:

That video is horrible but the comment section on it manages to be a hell of a lot worse...makes me so angry to read stuff like that...

Nobody needs to "like" homosexuality, I'm sure most gays can live with that, but to actually go out and say that gay people should kill themselves and that homosexuality is like pedophilia, necrophilia and whatever else is just...I don't even know what to call it...

What a bunch of nonsense, yes the comment section is like they usually are in topics like this split between idiots and morons and on both sides. This 20-21 year old man knew his parents were religious people and its clear that he is out to get this confrontation and to get it on his smartphone, which i'm guessing most likely his parents got for him.

Also i gotta laugh at the "your parents are meant to love you unconditionally" what a bunch of nonsense, any kid have every right to hate their parents and stop any contact, like any parent has the same right. Its complete and utter nonsense that just because you're a parent or a kid you have to accept whatever they do or are.

Also a funny thing is the hypocrisy , Why is it that its ok for the kid not to accept the parents religious beliefs but its not ok for the parents not to accept the kids sexuality. Acceptance is a two-way street and the parents clearly had accepted the kid as long as he didn't throw his sexuality in their face.

#47 Posted by toast_burner (21522 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@korvus said:

That video is horrible but the comment section on it manages to be a hell of a lot worse...makes me so angry to read stuff like that...

Nobody needs to "like" homosexuality, I'm sure most gays can live with that, but to actually go out and say that gay people should kill themselves and that homosexuality is like pedophilia, necrophilia and whatever else is just...I don't even know what to call it...

What a bunch of nonsense, yes the comment section is like they usually are in topics like this split between idiots and morons and on both sides. This 20-21 year old man knew his parents were religious people and its clear that he is out to get this confrontation and to get it on his smartphone, which i'm guessing most likely his parents got for him.

Also i gotta laugh at the "your parents are meant to love you unconditionally" what a bunch of nonsense, any kid have every right to hate their parents and stop any contact, like any parent has the same right. Its complete and utter nonsense that just because you're a parent or a kid you have to accept whatever they do or are.

Also a funny thing is the hypocrisy , Why is it that its ok for the kid not to accept the parents religious beliefs but its not ok for the parents not to accept the kids sexuality. Acceptance is a two-way street and the parents clearly had accepted the kid as long as he didn't throw his sexuality in their face.

So disagree with hate is just as bad as disagreeing with love? You really are a sad lonely person.

#48 Posted by Jacanuk (4339 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@korvus said:

That video is horrible but the comment section on it manages to be a hell of a lot worse...makes me so angry to read stuff like that...

Nobody needs to "like" homosexuality, I'm sure most gays can live with that, but to actually go out and say that gay people should kill themselves and that homosexuality is like pedophilia, necrophilia and whatever else is just...I don't even know what to call it...

What a bunch of nonsense, yes the comment section is like they usually are in topics like this split between idiots and morons and on both sides. This 20-21 year old man knew his parents were religious people and its clear that he is out to get this confrontation and to get it on his smartphone, which i'm guessing most likely his parents got for him.

Also i gotta laugh at the "your parents are meant to love you unconditionally" what a bunch of nonsense, any kid have every right to hate their parents and stop any contact, like any parent has the same right. Its complete and utter nonsense that just because you're a parent or a kid you have to accept whatever they do or are.

Also a funny thing is the hypocrisy , Why is it that its ok for the kid not to accept the parents religious beliefs but its not ok for the parents not to accept the kids sexuality. Acceptance is a two-way street and the parents clearly had accepted the kid as long as he didn't throw his sexuality in their face.

So disagree with hate is just as bad as disagreeing with love? You really are a sad lonely person.

Hate? so having religion and believing in that religion is having hate?

You really are not making any sense here whatsoever, also you might want to read what you wrote again and consider that what you're doing here is hating religion for being religion.

#49 Posted by Korvus (3554 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@korvus said:

That video is horrible but the comment section on it manages to be a hell of a lot worse...makes me so angry to read stuff like that...

Nobody needs to "like" homosexuality, I'm sure most gays can live with that, but to actually go out and say that gay people should kill themselves and that homosexuality is like pedophilia, necrophilia and whatever else is just...I don't even know what to call it...

What a bunch of nonsense, yes the comment section is like they usually are in topics like this split between idiots and morons and on both sides. This 20-21 year old man knew his parents were religious people and its clear that he is out to get this confrontation and to get it on his smartphone, which i'm guessing most likely his parents got for him.

Also i gotta laugh at the "your parents are meant to love you unconditionally" what a bunch of nonsense, any kid have every right to hate their parents and stop any contact, like any parent has the same right. Its complete and utter nonsense that just because you're a parent or a kid you have to accept whatever they do or are.

Also a funny thing is the hypocrisy , Why is it that its ok for the kid not to accept the parents religious beliefs but its not ok for the parents not to accept the kids sexuality. Acceptance is a two-way street and the parents clearly had accepted the kid as long as he didn't throw his sexuality in their face.

What points are you trying to debate, exactly? None of what you said relates to my comment whatsoever...

#50 Posted by Jacanuk (4339 posts) -

@korvus said:

@Jacanuk said:

@korvus said:

That video is horrible but the comment section on it manages to be a hell of a lot worse...makes me so angry to read stuff like that...

Nobody needs to "like" homosexuality, I'm sure most gays can live with that, but to actually go out and say that gay people should kill themselves and that homosexuality is like pedophilia, necrophilia and whatever else is just...I don't even know what to call it...

What a bunch of nonsense, yes the comment section is like they usually are in topics like this split between idiots and morons and on both sides. This 20-21 year old man knew his parents were religious people and its clear that he is out to get this confrontation and to get it on his smartphone, which i'm guessing most likely his parents got for him.

Also i gotta laugh at the "your parents are meant to love you unconditionally" what a bunch of nonsense, any kid have every right to hate their parents and stop any contact, like any parent has the same right. Its complete and utter nonsense that just because you're a parent or a kid you have to accept whatever they do or are.

Also a funny thing is the hypocrisy , Why is it that its ok for the kid not to accept the parents religious beliefs but its not ok for the parents not to accept the kids sexuality. Acceptance is a two-way street and the parents clearly had accepted the kid as long as he didn't throw his sexuality in their face.

What points are you trying to debate, exactly? None of what you said relates to my comment whatsoever...

Ehmm, it relates directly to your initial statement "That video is horrible but the comment section.......etc. "