U.S. Economy Unexpectedly Contracts in Fourth Quarter

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]I think Hokie might want to retake Econ again.chessmaster1989
>implying he ever took econ

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[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's exactly what they did.....government keep borrowing and spending money and let future generations pay for it. KC_Hokie
So, we should have austerity measures........and have the "future generations" pay for it now by being under/unemployed? Just, look how the austerity measures taken in Spain have affected the unemployment rate of those 18-25.......

The Spanish and Greeks screwed themselves through decades of borrowing and spending. They have no choice now but austerity.

The US has a choice though..... We can take measured cuts to spending and reform social security and medicare over the next decade and spread out the "pain" over several decades. Verse taking a hatchet to spending which has asymmetric negative effects.
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[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Mafiree"] So, we should have austerity measures........and have the "future generations" pay for it now by being under/unemployed? Just, look how the austerity measures taken in Spain have affected the unemployment rate of those 18-25.......

The Spanish and Greeks screwed themselves through decades of borrowing and spending. They have no choice now but austerity.

The US has a choice though..... We can take measured cuts to spending and reform social security and medicare over the next decade and spread out the "pain" over several decades. Verse taking a hatchet to spending which has asymmetric negative effects.

Have to cut now and over time. Spending is just so out of control and that includes defense and entitlement spending.
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#154 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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This thread is almost as retarded as surreal_number5 saying Canada is going through a housing crisis.

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[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The Spanish and Greeks screwed themselves through decades of borrowing and spending. They have no choice now but austerity. KC_Hokie
The US has a choice though..... We can take measured cuts to spending and reform social security and medicare over the next decade and spread out the "pain" over several decades. Verse taking a hatchet to spending which has asymmetric negative effects.

Have to cut now and over time. Spending is just so out of control and that includes defense and entitlement spending.

what evidence do you have for this though?
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[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's exactly what they did.....government keep borrowing and spending money and let future generations pay for it. KC_Hokie
So, we should have austerity measures........and have the "future generations" pay for it now by being under/unemployed? Just, look how the austerity measures taken in Spain have affected the unemployment rate of those 18-25.......

The Spanish and Greeks screwed themselves through decades of borrowing and spending. They have no choice now but austerity.

Spain was running surpluses prior to the financial collapse...

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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Mafiree"] The US has a choice though..... We can take measured cuts to spending and reform social security and medicare over the next decade and spread out the "pain" over several decades. Verse taking a hatchet to spending which has asymmetric negative effects.

Have to cut now and over time. Spending is just so out of control and that includes defense and entitlement spending.

what evidence do you have for this though?

The exponentially growing debt due primarily to defense and entitlement spending.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Mafiree"] So, we should have austerity measures........and have the "future generations" pay for it now by being under/unemployed? Just, look how the austerity measures taken in Spain have affected the unemployment rate of those 18-25.......-Sun_Tzu-

The Spanish and Greeks screwed themselves through decades of borrowing and spending. They have no choice now but austerity.

Spain was running surpluses prior to the financial collapse...

Yea for a grand total of like 1.5 years. And their spending kept going up. Once their bubble hit they kept up spending for too long.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Have to cut now and over time. Spending is just so out of control and that includes defense and entitlement spending. KC_Hokie
what evidence do you have for this though?

The exponentially growing debt due primarily to defense and entitlement spending.

which is not at all evidence that drastic and immediate austerity is necessary. not even close. not even a little bit.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] what evidence do you have for this though?

The exponentially growing debt due primarily to defense and entitlement spending.

which is not at all evidence that drastic and immediate austerity is necessary. not even close. not even a little bit.

How does being 90% towards the direction of Greece in terms of debt not a giant warning siren?
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The exponentially growing debt due primarily to defense and entitlement spending. KC_Hokie
which is not at all evidence that drastic and immediate austerity is necessary. not even close. not even a little bit.

How does being 90% towards the direction of Greece in terms of debt not a giant warning siren?

you ignored the very crucial ways in which we are very different from greece
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] which is not at all evidence that drastic and immediate austerity is necessary. not even close. not even a little bit.

How does being 90% towards the direction of Greece in terms of debt not a giant warning siren?

you ignored the very crucial ways in which we are very different from greece

Japan then. They are entering a debt crisis as well.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]How does being 90% towards the direction of Greece in terms of debt not a giant warning siren?KC_Hokie
you ignored the very crucial ways in which we are very different from greece

Japan then. They are entering a debt crisis as well.

okay let's take a step back and define some terms. please tell me very specifically what constitutes a debt crisis
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] you ignored the very crucial ways in which we are very different from greece

Japan then. They are entering a debt crisis as well.

okay let's take a step back and define some terms. please tell me very specifically what constitutes a debt crisis

When your debt exceeds GDP to an extent that it devalues your currency and cripples your economy. The US and Japan are right on the brink.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Japan then. They are entering a debt crisis as well. KC_Hokie
okay let's take a step back and define some terms. please tell me very specifically what constitutes a debt crisis

When your debt exceeds GDP to an extent that it devalues your currency and cripples your economy. The US and Japan are right on the brink.

How is the Japanese debt currently crippling their economy?
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Japan then. They are entering a debt crisis as well. KC_Hokie
okay let's take a step back and define some terms. please tell me very specifically what constitutes a debt crisis

When your debt exceeds GDP to an extent that it devalues your currency and cripples your economy. The US and Japan are right on the brink.

but interest rates on both american and japanese bonds are very low, as is inflation. debt isn't devaluing our currency, nor is it crippling the economy. that doesn't make any sense
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] okay let's take a step back and define some terms. please tell me very specifically what constitutes a debt crisis

When your debt exceeds GDP to an extent that it devalues your currency and cripples your economy. The US and Japan are right on the brink.

How is the Japanese debt currently crippling their economy?

They've grown by .8% on average since 1990. That sucks and it's due to the government policies of debt and currency printing.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]When your debt exceeds GDP to an extent that it devalues your currency and cripples your economy. The US and Japan are right on the brink.KC_Hokie
How is the Japanese debt currently crippling their economy?

They've grown by .8% on average since 1990. That sucks and it's due to the government policies of debt and currency printing.

But how is their debt specifically crippling their economy? Through what mechanism?
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] okay let's take a step back and define some terms. please tell me very specifically what constitutes a debt crisis

When your debt exceeds GDP to an extent that it devalues your currency and cripples your economy. The US and Japan are right on the brink.

but interest rates on both american and japanese bonds are very low, as is inflation. debt isn't devaluing our currency, nor is it crippling the economy. that doesn't make any sense

Inflation hasn't hit yet but it will. We're due for a double dip recession. You simply cannot keep up the current rate of debt and spending.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How is the Japanese debt currently crippling their economy?

They've grown by .8% on average since 1990. That sucks and it's due to the government policies of debt and currency printing.

But how is their debt specifically crippling their economy? Through what mechanism?

Are you serious?
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How is the Japanese debt currently crippling their economy?

They've grown by .8% on average since 1990. That sucks and it's due to the government policies of debt and currency printing.

But how is their debt specifically crippling their economy? Through what mechanism?

Through the Krugmanism cripple.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They've grown by .8% on average since 1990. That sucks and it's due to the government policies of debt and currency printing. KC_Hokie
But how is their debt specifically crippling their economy? Through what mechanism?

Are you serious?

I'm still waiting for your answer.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]When your debt exceeds GDP to an extent that it devalues your currency and cripples your economy. The US and Japan are right on the brink.KC_Hokie
but interest rates on both american and japanese bonds are very low, as is inflation. debt isn't devaluing our currency, nor is it crippling the economy. that doesn't make any sense

Inflation hasn't hit yet but it will. We're due for a double dip recession. You simply cannot keep up the current rate of debt and spending.

i love inflation hawks because they swear that every year is their year they swear this time they're sure, guys
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They've grown by .8% on average since 1990. That sucks and it's due to the government policies of debt and currency printing. sonicare
But how is their debt specifically crippling their economy? Through what mechanism?

Through the Krugmanism cripple.

lol!
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They've grown by .8% on average since 1990. That sucks and it's due to the government policies of debt and currency printing. sonicare
But how is their debt specifically crippling their economy? Through what mechanism?

Through the Krugmanism cripple.

That sounds painful
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But how is their debt specifically crippling their economy? Through what mechanism?

Through the Krugmanism cripple.

That sounds painful

Lol. How've you been my friend?
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#177 Abbeten
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But how is their debt specifically crippling their economy? Through what mechanism?

Are you serious?

I'm still waiting for your answer.

let the record show he never actually answered this
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Are you serious?Abbeten
I'm still waiting for your answer.

let the record show he never actually answered this

poor hokie
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Heard about this on Hannity this afternoon.

Demand spending cuts. Get spending cuts. Witness drop in GDP caused by those spending cuts. Rail against the GDP contraction and demand more spending cuts.

And the world goes round.
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Heard about this on Hannity this afternoon.

 

Demand spending cuts. Get spending cuts. Witness drop in GDP caused by those spending cuts. Rail against the GDP contraction and demand more spending cuts.

 

And the world goes round.mattbbpl

The GOP world.

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LOL, "unexpectantly"

Ya right. Any bum on the street has more common sense than government officials. They want the economy to fall.

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LOL, "unexpectantly"

Ya right. Any bum on the street has more common sense than government officials. They want the economy to fall.

ristactionjakso
You are right, your average hobo is smarter than most tea partiers.
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This is a relatively minor setback, the economy will show growth at the end of next quarter and all will be well. Housing Markets are up, Investing is up, business can borrow capital at record low interest rates and there are a slew of new companies that will be bringing jobs to the US with the labor market increasing in developing countries. Mountain out of a mole hill...

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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

LOL, "unexpectantly"

Ya right. Any bum on the street has more common sense than government officials. They want the economy to fall.

chessmaster1989

You are right, your average hobo is smarter than most tea partiers.

lol, and the bias continues. I like to say both parties are at fault for the downgrades of America, not Tea Partiers alone. Although, Tea Party is a fairly new uprising. Not much time in the gov there. 

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

LOL, "unexpectantly"

Ya right. Any bum on the street has more common sense than government officials. They want the economy to fall.

ristactionjakso

You are right, your average hobo is smarter than most tea partiers.

lol, and the bias continues. I like to say both parties are at fault for the downgrades of America, not Tea Partiers alone. Although, Tea Party is a fairly new uprising. Not much time in the gov there. 

It has nothing to do with governance, I just think your average tea partier in Congress is a f*cking moron. Much more so than your average non-tea party Republican or average Democrat.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

LOL, "unexpectantly"

Ya right. Any bum on the street has more common sense than government officials. They want the economy to fall.

ristactionjakso

You are right, your average hobo is smarter than most tea partiers.

lol, and the bias continues. I like to say both parties are at fault for the downgrades of America, not Tea Partiers alone. Although, Tea Party is a fairly new uprising. Not much time in the gov there. 

The tea party swept statehouses in 2010 and spent a majority of their time writing anti abortion, anti gay marriage bills, social issues, etc.
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] You are right, your average hobo is smarter than most tea partiers.DroidPhysX

lol, and the bias continues. I like to say both parties are at fault for the downgrades of America, not Tea Partiers alone. Although, Tea Party is a fairly new uprising. Not much time in the gov there. 

The tea party swept statehouses in 2010 and spent a majority of their time writing anti abortion, anti gay marriage bills, social issues, etc.

And the democracts dont even submit budgets. What's your point? 2 years is hardly long enough in the government compared to both parties since ethe birth of America. 

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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] You are right, your average hobo is smarter than most tea partiers.chessmaster1989

lol, and the bias continues. I like to say both parties are at fault for the downgrades of America, not Tea Partiers alone. Although, Tea Party is a fairly new uprising. Not much time in the gov there. 

It has nothing to do with governance, I just think your average tea partier in Congress is a f*cking moron. Much more so than your average non-tea party Republican or average Democrat.

Thats cool. :roll:

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]lol, and the bias continues. I like to say both parties are at fault for the downgrades of America, not Tea Partiers alone. Although, Tea Party is a fairly new uprising. Not much time in the gov there. 

ristactionjakso

It has nothing to do with governance, I just think your average tea partier in Congress is a f*cking moron. Much more so than your average non-tea party Republican or average Democrat.

Thats cool. :roll:

Aww did I hurt your feelings? Are you a tea partier? You're certainly dumb enough to be one.
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]lol, and the bias continues. I like to say both parties are at fault for the downgrades of America, not Tea Partiers alone. Although, Tea Party is a fairly new uprising. Not much time in the gov there. 

ristactionjakso

The tea party swept statehouses in 2010 and spent a majority of their time writing anti abortion, anti gay marriage bills, social issues, etc.

And the democracts dont even submit budgets. What's your point? 2 years is hardly long enough in the government compared to both parties since ethe birth of America. 

2 years is plenty of time when you control all parts of state governments like the tea partiers have.
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] The tea party swept statehouses in 2010 and spent a majority of their time writing anti abortion, anti gay marriage bills, social issues, etc.DroidPhysX

And the democracts dont even submit budgets. What's your point? 2 years is hardly long enough in the government compared to both parties since ethe birth of America. 

2 years is plenty of time when you control all parts of state governments like the tea partiers have.

If they control all parts of state governments then they have become popular I guess. 

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]And the democracts dont even submit budgets. What's your point? 2 years is hardly long enough in the government compared to both parties since ethe birth of America. 

ristactionjakso

2 years is plenty of time when you control all parts of state governments like the tea partiers have.

If they control all parts of state governments then they have become popular I guess. 

In 2010, yes. In 2013, not even close.
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] It has nothing to do with governance, I just think your average tea partier in Congress is a f*cking moron. Much more so than your average non-tea party Republican or average Democrat.chessmaster1989

Thats cool. :roll:

Aww did I hurt your feelings? Are you a tea partier? You're certainly dumb enough to be one.

What's this attack for? I suppose I hurt your feeling somewhere down the line. I don't care because im not a tea partier, or democrat/liberal/socialist. Don't you have a gay rights parade to attend to?

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#194 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Thats cool. :roll:

ristactionjakso

Aww did I hurt your feelings? Are you a tea partier? You're certainly dumb enough to be one.

What's this attack for? I suppose I hurt your feeling somewhere down the line. I don't care because im not a tea partier, or democrat/liberal/socialist. Don't you have a gay rights parade to attend to?

smh
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#195 ristactionjakso
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] 2 years is plenty of time when you control all parts of state governments like the tea partiers have.DroidPhysX

If they control all parts of state governments then they have become popular I guess. 

In 2010, yes. In 2013, not even close.

That's fine. I don't care. It doesnt matter anyway. Why brand people a tea partier without any proof to back it up? 

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#196 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]If they control all parts of state governments then they have become popular I guess. 

ristactionjakso

In 2010, yes. In 2013, not even close.

That's fine. I don't care. It doesnt matter anyway. Why brand people a tea partier without any proof to back it up? 

it sure as hell mattered 2 posts ago.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Thats cool. :roll:

ristactionjakso

Aww did I hurt your feelings? Are you a tea partier? You're certainly dumb enough to be one.

What's this attack for? I suppose I hurt your feeling somewhere down the line. I don't care because im not a tea partier, or democrat/liberal/socialist. Don't you have a gay rights parade to attend to?

Guess it just goes to show that all tea partiers are idiots, but not all idiots are tea partiers. And I'm not a Democrat and much as I support gay rights, I wouldn't be caught dead at a gay rights parade.
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It is both busch and obamas fault  i wish people would realise  obama has been president for 4 years already and didnt do jack to fix  the problems busch had made in fact obama exxagerated them!by bailing out these banks 

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#199 ristactionjakso
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] In 2010, yes. In 2013, not even close.DroidPhysX

That's fine. I don't care. It doesnt matter anyway. Why brand people a tea partier without any proof to back it up? 

it sure as hell mattered 2 posts ago.

Only thing that mattered was the fact that you and some other dude, I forget his name, right here in the same post brand me as a tea partier with no proof. The other dude even said I was dumb enough to be one. All I said was both parties are to blame for the downgrade of America. How about both you go change your tampons.

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#200 ristactionjakso
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Aww did I hurt your feelings? Are you a tea partier? You're certainly dumb enough to be one.chessmaster1989

What's this attack for? I suppose I hurt your feeling somewhere down the line. I don't care because im not a tea partier, or democrat/liberal/socialist. Don't you have a gay rights parade to attend to?

Guess it just goes to show that all tea partiers are idiots, but not all idiots are tea partiers. And I'm not a Democrat and much as I support gay rights, I wouldn't be caught dead at a gay rights parade.

Not ready to come out of the closet yet? Don't be ashamed, im sure your parents will accept you as is.