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[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"] I can't say I agree they lost momentum by the third act. The story, while took an unexpected turn at one point, really stayed true to itself in the end. One thing I especially like about this movie over WALL-E, was that all the characters actually had a point. There weren't any filler characters that were just there for the sake of being there. In WALL-E, I still wonder why M-O was in the movie at all other than just to look cute, among other robot characters. In Up, All the characters, including Russell, Dug and Kevin, all had a point for being there and were well-developed in the end.Nerd_Man
I agree that the characters felt more fleshed out, I also liked how it didn't have a forced message. It was what it was and it stayed true to it's intentions, for better or worse. I just didn't find the story very compelling after a while, and even though I am a big Christopher Plummer fan and I liked his voice work I didn't think Charlez Muntz was a very good character. The story started great, but after a while it became more and more predictable and silly. I did like it though and I would give it a solid 7.5, maybe an 8. Don't think I hate it, heck the story had potential but I dont think Pixar can handle a more mature story yet. They will soon though, and I look forward to that. They still have a while to go though before they become favorites of mine, to give you an idea of what my favorite animated films are here is yet another quick list.
Triplets of Belleville- The dog in this film worked better than Dug imo:P
Waltz with bashir
Watership down- Animation is more primative, but I grew up on this film and i still love it.
Plague Dogs
Renaissance- I loved the look and the mix of film noir and animation. Some say the story sucks, but I thought it fit.
Fantastic planet
Princess Mononoke
Metropolis
Millennium Actress
Paprika
Time masters
A Scanner Darkly- I am a big Phillip k. Dick fan so this film worked perfectly to me. I know some dont consider it animated though, so i'm not sure if it counts.
Pixar are masters of animation, that is undeniable. Storywise though i think they need some work.
What didn't you like about Charles Muntz? He's actually one of my favorite Pixar villains now next to Hopper and Syndrome.
I think Pixar definitely can handle a mature film. I think they've proven that they're master storytellers and that they definitely have it in them to create something amazing (It's not just the animation that makes them the most respected animation studio of our day - it's the stories they've told that truly makes them stand out from the crowd). They're just trying to appeal to everyone - not just one set crowd. I guess it really depends how mature you want Pixar to go, but if it's really something out of the PG window, I really don't know what the chances will then be. Andrew Stanton (Finding Nemo and WALL-E director), is currently working on his next film (John Carter of Mars) and it's not going to be released under the Pixar label. I question if that will mean it will be a more mature film like the ones you're asking for - but I think that's just something to keep in mind. Pixar is going to stay Pixar, but I think if the team is going to work on maturer projects, they'll probably release them under different labels.
Its not that I didn't like Charles Muntz, its more the idea of him. I think the film didn't need a villain, the life themes almost felt like background once the villain was thrown in. He still worked as a villain, and I know kids films need a villain for the most part, but some part of me was hoping the film didn't have a villain since it didn't need once. I realize it is a kid's film though, so in that case the villain worked despite how he was a bit cliche. I look forward to John Carter of mars, it sounds interesting. I cant remember if Pixar did this, but another kid's film I really liked was The Iron Giant. Was that Pixar or someone else?
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