UN general assembly recognises Palestinian state

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#1 Posted by Aljosa23 (25116 posts) -

Palestine statehood passes 138-9, with 41 abstaining

UN resolution A/67/L28 granting Palestine non-member observer state status passes, 138-9 with 41 abstaining.

Huge applause breaks out in the hall. Abbas is receiving hugs.

A Palestinian flag is being unfolded on the floor.

CSPAN turns the camera on US Ambassador Susan Rice. She looks like she wishes she were in Benghazi.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/nov/29/egypt-crisis-morsi-constitution-live

Congrats to the Palestinian people.

The 41 nations abstaining from today's vote:

Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, Vanuatu

The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia

#2 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
I saw this earlier, but was waiting to see how each country voted before posting. Does anyone have a link where we can see which country voted which way?
#3 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Wonder how much longer it will be before they try and take their land back.
#4 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -
Wonder how much longer it will be before they try and take their land back.Zeviander
Doubt that area will be peaceful....
#5 Posted by Aljosa23 (25116 posts) -

I saw this earlier, but was waiting to see how each country voted before posting. Does anyone have a link where we can see which country voted which way?nocoolnamejim
All I can find is that US and Canada both voted no.

#6 Posted by sonicare (53485 posts) -

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I saw this earlier, but was waiting to see how each country voted before posting. Does anyone have a link where we can see which country voted which way?Aljosa23

All I can find is that US and Canada both voted no.

Those blasted canadians. I bet they intimidated the americans into following suit.
#7 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I saw this earlier, but was waiting to see how each country voted before posting. Does anyone have a link where we can see which country voted which way?Aljosa23

All I can find is that US and Canada both voted no.

I think the US and Canada should take over the world. Jack Daniels and maple syrup for everyone....
#8 Posted by Aljosa23 (25116 posts) -

Actually, jim:

The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia

#9 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I saw this earlier, but was waiting to see how each country voted before posting. Does anyone have a link where we can see which country voted which way?Aljosa23

All I can find is that US and Canada both voted no.

That's not terribly surprising. US voted no because of the political ramifications in this country of anybody not matching in lockstep with Israel. Canada voted no because the U.S. did. (I'm guessing, no offense intended.) I'd be specifically curious how most of the OTHER U.S. allies voted. UK, Spain, France, Germany, etc. How those countries voted will have some big impacts on how it is perceived locally in the U.S.
#10 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -

Actually, jim:

The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia

Aljosa23
Ah. Thanks. Basically, aside from Canada and Israel, none of the U.S.'s traditionally most important allies.
#11 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Actually, jim:

The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia

nocoolnamejim
Ah. Thanks. Basically, aside from Canada and Israel, none of the U.S.'s traditionally most important allies.

Are we going back to freedom fries?
#12 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Jack Daniels and maple syrup for everyone....LJS9502_basic
*is removed of Epic Meal Time* Or... JACK DANIELS MAPLE SYRUP :o I really want to go out and buy some JD. Been craving Jack and Coke. Wish I had money.
#13 Posted by Person0 (2944 posts) -
The 41 nations abstaining from today's vote: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, Vanuatu The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia
#14 Posted by sonicare (53485 posts) -
[QUOTE="Person0"]The 41 nations abstaining from today's vote: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, Vanuatu The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia

Abstaining is the wuss choice.
#15 Posted by dave123321 (34133 posts) -
Congrats Palenstine :)
#16 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
PalauAljosa23
Read this as Panau at first. Lol'd.
#17 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jack Daniels and maple syrup for everyone....Zeviander
*is removed of Epic Meal Time* Or... JACK DANIELS MAPLE SYRUP :o I really want to go out and buy some JD. Been craving Jack and Coke. Wish I had money.

There is maple syrup flavored Crown Royal now....:P
#18 Posted by Aljosa23 (25116 posts) -

The 41 nations abstaining from today's vote: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, Vanuatu The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, MicronesiaPerson0
Much appreciated, editing OP.

#19 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -
[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Person0"]The 41 nations abstaining from today's vote: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, Vanuatu The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia

Abstaining is the wuss choice.

Fear of commitment is nothing to mock.
#20 Posted by CycleOfViolence (3314 posts) -

Wonder what kraychik thinks about this.

#21 Posted by jimkabrhel (15420 posts) -

I wonder what will happen now. Frankly, I think the Palenstinians should be able to govern themselves, as long as they aren't led by a terroist faction. I need to more about the full situation, obviously.

I'll steer clear of ShadowMoses.

#22 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Actually, jim:

The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia

LJS9502_basic
Ah. Thanks. Basically, aside from Canada and Israel, none of the U.S.'s traditionally most important allies.

Are we going back to freedom fries?

If we do, I'd like to have something more tasty designated as our freedom food of choice.
#23 Posted by Aljosa23 (25116 posts) -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

#24 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
[QUOTE="Person0"]The 41 nations abstaining from today's vote: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, Vanuatu The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia

Germany, Poland and the UK are the interesting ones in that list for me.
#25 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
I really wish I could say this is a step toward peace but I think we all know it's really nothing more than an empty gesture.
#26 Posted by Aljosa23 (25116 posts) -

I really wish I could say this is a step toward peace but I think we all know it's really nothing more than an empty gesture. Ace6301
Do you think there's any other reason for us voting no besides being the US's b1tch?

i don't :(

#27 Posted by dave123321 (34133 posts) -
Will shadowmoses be happy or unhappy with this news? Why?
#28 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I really wish I could say this is a step toward peace but I think we all know it's really nothing more than an empty gesture. Aljosa23

Do you think there's any other reason for us voting no besides being the US's b1tch?

i don't :(

Come on you benefit from the alliance. No way you have to worry about invasion for instance since the US has your back. Which saves you money for your health care. Win win for you....
#29 Posted by dave123321 (34133 posts) -
Yeah, appreciate what you have TC
#30 Posted by Aljosa23 (25116 posts) -

Come on you benefit from the alliance. No way you have to worry about invasion for instance since the US has your back. Which saves you money for your health care. Win win for you....LJS9502_basic
We wouldn't need to worry about an invasion anyway lol. Canada is enormous, it would be like trying to invade Russia.

#31 Posted by guynamedbilly (12965 posts) -
I think it's probably a good thing to have everyone recognize Palestine as it's own country and especially so if they work out real land boundaries to support it. Then, if Palestine, as an independent country, does attack Israel, then the Israelis will have a more legitimate reason to retaliate with strong force. It can give the Palestinians the independence they say that want, but they have to then be responsible for their actions.
#32 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Come on you benefit from the alliance. No way you have to worry about invasion for instance since the US has your back. Which saves you money for your health care. Win win for you....Aljosa23

We wouldn't need to worry about an invasion anyway lol. Canada is enormous, it would be like trying to invade Russia.

That's what you think.....Northern Canada isn't that populous is it?
#33 Posted by BossPerson (9473 posts) -

Lol at micronesia

#34 Posted by BossPerson (9473 posts) -

Lol at Canada as well. I actually chatted with Mulcair a couple days ago at my university about how Harper has taken our foreign policy down a hole.

#35 Posted by Storm_Marine (11122 posts) -

Meanwhile the UN ignores Taiwain for fear of China.

#36 Posted by Storm_Marine (11122 posts) -

Lol at Canada as well. I actually chatted with Mulcair a couple days ago at my university about how Harper has taken our foreign policy down a hole.

BossPerson

I'm sure Mulcair is full of genius plans.

#37 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -

Meanwhile the UN ignores Taiwain for fear of China.

Storm_Marine
Shame isn't it?
#38 Posted by Storm_Marine (11122 posts) -

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Meanwhile the UN ignores Taiwain for fear of China.

LJS9502_basic

Shame isn't it?

Well Taiwan is a free country and isn't partially ruled by a terrorist organization. So you'd think the UN would rush to support them. But no.

#39 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Meanwhile the UN ignores Taiwain for fear of China.

Storm_Marine

Shame isn't it?

Well Taiwan is a free country and isn't partially ruled by a terrorist organization. So you'd think the UN would rush to support them. But no.

The UN is a joke....
#40 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I really wish I could say this is a step toward peace but I think we all know it's really nothing more than an empty gesture. Aljosa23

Do you think there's any other reason for us voting no besides being the US's b1tch?

i don't :(

You could argue that the choice was made because of a belief that this would actually cause more difficulty in a peace process but honestly I don't think Harper's government cares about that so I'm inclined to agree with you.
#41 Posted by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -

meh , no big deal. it was expected

#42 Posted by BossPerson (9473 posts) -

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

Lol at Canada as well. I actually chatted with Mulcair a couple days ago at my university about how Harper has taken our foreign policy down a hole.

Storm_Marine

I'm sure Mulcair is full of genius plans.

He is going to save us all with his beard.
#43 Posted by Sajo7 (14049 posts) -
Nice to see so few against votes.
#44 Posted by Storm_Marine (11122 posts) -

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

Lol at Canada as well. I actually chatted with Mulcair a couple days ago at my university about how Harper has taken our foreign policy down a hole.

BossPerson

I'm sure Mulcair is full of genius plans.

He is going to save us all with his beard.

Fidel Castro also has a beard.

#45 Posted by BossPerson (9473 posts) -

meh , no big deal. it was expected

Darkman2007
But you gotta have a laugh at the people joining Israel, Canada and the US. I mean does Micronesia and Palau really give a crap? Or are they just trying to make the news?
#46 Posted by Storm_Marine (11122 posts) -

Nice to see so few against votes.Sajo7

Isn't abstaining in this case a symbolic but non-confrontative way of saying no?

#47 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151395 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Nice to see so few against votes.Storm_Marine

Isn't abstaining in this case a symbolic but non-confrontative way of saying no?

Yes
#48 Posted by dercoo (12555 posts) -

So Palestine, which is currently an unstable state run by Hamas gets more UN recognition than Taiwan which has been stable, self sufficient, and peaceful for decades?

Da ****** is wrong with you UN

#49 Posted by BossPerson (9473 posts) -

So Palestine, which is currently an unstable state run by Hamas gets more UN recognition than Taiwan which has been stable, self sufficient, and peaceful for decades?

Da ****** is wrong with you UN

dercoo
West bank
#50 Posted by mingmao3046 (2488 posts) -
good