UK What do you think of your health insurance

#1 Posted by caseypayne69 (5390 posts) -

Just curious what people in UK think of the health insurance their. Here in te US some say its socialist and doesn't work and UK can't afford it. Others say it's a good standard for the US to live by. What say you?

Other countries can chime in but please state your country.

#2 Posted by hoosier7 (3844 posts) -

UK, the NHS is great tbh, cost is never a worry and at the end of the day you can always go private if you want with someone like Bupa.

#3 Edited by toast_burner (21763 posts) -

We pay less than Americans and get a much better service.

#4 Posted by Treflis (11575 posts) -

Norwegian, And to be frank my only complaints about our system is they'd really should raise the salary of nurses and make it more attractive to work within retirement homes, and embrace a little more experimental medication that has positive results from other countries instead of looking away from them because we haven't done enough tests ourselves on the products.

Besides that I'm quite happy with our Healthcare system.

#5 Posted by osirisx3 (1819 posts) -

People in the US are being lied too. The republicans never tell the truth and will just spin what ever their cooperate masters tell them.

The joke is even in polls where people dislike a system most don't want the US system instead.

Honestly being an outsider looking in at America makes me feel like you guys live in your own little world.

#6 Posted by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

You can't beat the NHS.

#7 Posted by thehig1 (2290 posts) -

We don't pay health insurance?

#8 Posted by Crunchy_Nuts (2749 posts) -

The NHS is great. Now if only the government stopped trying to gut the thing. This is what I like about the UK, we have the choice to get private medical insurance if we really want it.

#9 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@osirisx3 said:

People in the US are being lied too. The republicans never tell the truth and will just spin what ever their cooperate masters tell them.

The joke is even in polls where people dislike a system most don't want the US system instead.

Honestly being an outsider looking in at America makes me feel like you guys live in your own little world.

You do know that this thread is about those that live in the UK, right?

#10 Posted by SolidSnake35 (58110 posts) -

The NHS is okay in my book, but I swear all receptionists are trained in the art of bitchiness.

#11 Posted by toast_burner (21763 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

People in the US are being lied too. The republicans never tell the truth and will just spin what ever their cooperate masters tell them.

The joke is even in polls where people dislike a system most don't want the US system instead.

Honestly being an outsider looking in at America makes me feel like you guys live in your own little world.

You do know that this thread is about those that live in the UK, right?

The OP clearly asks whether the NHS is a standard the US should try to achieve. His post fits in quite well with the question.

#12 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

People in the US are being lied too. The republicans never tell the truth and will just spin what ever their cooperate masters tell them.

The joke is even in polls where people dislike a system most don't want the US system instead.

Honestly being an outsider looking in at America makes me feel like you guys live in your own little world.

You do know that this thread is about those that live in the UK, right?

The OP clearly asks whether the NHS is a standard the US should try to achieve. His post fits in quite well with the question.

What it asks isn't the same as whom it's directed act. And the fact that you just tried to support Osiris tells me you need to step back from this website and reflect on your life.

#13 Posted by toast_burner (21763 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

People in the US are being lied too. The republicans never tell the truth and will just spin what ever their cooperate masters tell them.

The joke is even in polls where people dislike a system most don't want the US system instead.

Honestly being an outsider looking in at America makes me feel like you guys live in your own little world.

You do know that this thread is about those that live in the UK, right?

The OP clearly asks whether the NHS is a standard the US should try to achieve. His post fits in quite well with the question.

What it asks isn't the same as whom it's directed act. And the fact that you just tried to support Osiris tells me you need to step back from this website and reflect on your life.

What on earth are you talking about?

#14 Edited by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

#15 Posted by gameofthering (10321 posts) -

It's great because if something bad happens to me, then I know I will get the treatment I need.

Also we don't pay for prescriptions for medication.

#16 Edited by toast_burner (21763 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

#17 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

The fact that you're supporting a user who believes North Korea is a virtuous, righteous government that has never caused an ounce of harm to its people is really quite troubling. Not to mention the countless other ridiculous things he's said in the past. So yes, I do think you need to reflect on exactly who it is that you're supporting.

So lets get this straight: You believe the Republicans never tell the truth, and only do what their [corporate] masters tell them to do? Universal healthcare doesn't work in America. The VA is a prime example of that. And universal healthcare IS socialist. It doesn't matter what negative connotations some people lump in with the word because it's still an appropriate description.

What I actually can't stand is hypocrisy and double standards. Users who consistently ONLY criticize the US without taking a look at how fucked up their own country, or the rest of the world is. Also, users who hide behind their anonymity in an attempt to shield themselves from the rightful criticism they deserve for living in a specific country.

But hey, if you want to support a user like that go right ahead. That makes you an idiot, no matter what else you might support.

#18 Posted by toast_burner (21763 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

The fact that you're supporting a user who believes North Korea is a virtuous, righteous government that has never caused an ounce of harm to its people is really quite troubling. Not to mention the countless other ridiculous things he's said in the past. So yes, I do think you need to reflect on exactly who it is that you're supporting.

So lets get this straight: You believe the Republicans never tell the truth, and only do what their [corporate] masters tell them to do? Universal healthcare doesn't work in America. The VA is a prime example of that. And universal healthcare IS socialist. It doesn't matter what negative connotations some people lump in with the word because it's still an appropriate description.

What I actually can't stand is hypocrisy and double standards. Users who consistently ONLY criticize the US without taking a look at how fucked up their own country, or the rest of the world is. Also, users who hide behind their anonymity in an attempt to shield themselves from the rightful criticism they deserve for living in a specific country.

But hey, if you want to support a user like that go right ahead. That makes you an idiot, no matter what else you might support.

what has what he's said in the past got to do with this? Are you saying that there's a connection between NK and universal healthcare?

Where did anyone say that they never tell the truth? It's very clear that when it comes to healthcare they have lied. Can you say why it won't work in america? It works in every single other country, so why won't it work there?

My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it. I don't have to pay more than any other person in the world for healthcare and still get a terrible system. Is it really that hard for you to admit that Americas healthcare system is broken as hell? It doesn't mean it's a bad country, all it means is it has bad healthcare.

#19 Edited by airshocker (29904 posts) -
@toast_burner said:

what has what he's said in the past got to do with this? Are you saying that there's a connection between NK and universal healthcare?

Where did anyone say that they never tell the truth? It's very clear that when it comes to healthcare they have lied. Can you say why it won't work in america? It works in every single other country, so why won't it work there?

My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it. I don't have to pay more than any other person in the world for healthcare and still get a terrible system. Is it really that hard for you to admit that Americas healthcare system is broken as hell? It doesn't mean it's a bad country, all it means is it has bad healthcare.

Don't deflect. Answer my questions. I've answered everything you've asked, so start giving me that same courtesy.

Holy shit, did you not even read what he said before you quoted it? "The republicans never tell the truth and will just spin what ever their cooperate masters tell them."

Are you not familiar with what has been happening at the VA? Do you know what the VA is? The scandal going on with the VA(shortened from The Department of Veterans Affairs) is that thousands of veterans have been on waiting lists for urgent care for an extremely long time. The administrators at the VA have also lied and fabricated reports to show that these veterans weren't on any waiting lists. A lot of veterans died waiting for care that is supposedly promised to us. The VA healthcare system is the closest thing to universal healthcare that we have in this country. So who do you think I would use to base my opinion on universal healthcare? A subsection of my country, or yours?

I never said the American healthcare system wasn't broken.

#20 Posted by toast_burner (21763 posts) -

@airshocker said:
@toast_burner said:

what has what he's said in the past got to do with this? Are you saying that there's a connection between NK and universal healthcare?

Where did anyone say that they never tell the truth? It's very clear that when it comes to healthcare they have lied. Can you say why it won't work in america? It works in every single other country, so why won't it work there?

My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it. I don't have to pay more than any other person in the world for healthcare and still get a terrible system. Is it really that hard for you to admit that Americas healthcare system is broken as hell? It doesn't mean it's a bad country, all it means is it has bad healthcare.

Don't deflect. Answer my questions. I've answered everything you've asked, so start giving me that same courtesy.

Holy shit, did you not even read what he said before you quoted it? "The republicans never tell the truth and will just spin what ever their cooperate masters tell them."

Are you not familiar with what has been happening at the VA? Do you know what the VA is? The scandal going on with the VA(shortened from The Department of Veterans Affairs) is that thousands of veterans have been on waiting lists for urgent care for an extremely long time. The administrators at the VA have also lied and fabricated reports to show that these veterans weren't on any waiting lists. A lot of veterans died waiting for care that is supposedly promised to us. The VA healthcare system is the closest thing to universal healthcare that we have in this country. So who do you think I would use to base my opinion on universal healthcare? A subsection of my country, or yours?

I never said the American healthcare system wasn't broken.

Do you know what a universal healthcare system is? You can't have something close to it. Either healthcare is universal or it isn't. The problem with the VA was that it was still running under Americas broken healthcare system. You guys need a total reform. You can't just make extension to your old system, you need to tear it apart completely and have an actual healthcare system put in it's place.

#21 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:
@toast_burner said:

what has what he's said in the past got to do with this? Are you saying that there's a connection between NK and universal healthcare?

Where did anyone say that they never tell the truth? It's very clear that when it comes to healthcare they have lied. Can you say why it won't work in america? It works in every single other country, so why won't it work there?

My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it. I don't have to pay more than any other person in the world for healthcare and still get a terrible system. Is it really that hard for you to admit that Americas healthcare system is broken as hell? It doesn't mean it's a bad country, all it means is it has bad healthcare.

Don't deflect. Answer my questions. I've answered everything you've asked, so start giving me that same courtesy.

Holy shit, did you not even read what he said before you quoted it? "The republicans never tell the truth and will just spin what ever their cooperate masters tell them."

Are you not familiar with what has been happening at the VA? Do you know what the VA is? The scandal going on with the VA(shortened from The Department of Veterans Affairs) is that thousands of veterans have been on waiting lists for urgent care for an extremely long time. The administrators at the VA have also lied and fabricated reports to show that these veterans weren't on any waiting lists. A lot of veterans died waiting for care that is supposedly promised to us. The VA healthcare system is the closest thing to universal healthcare that we have in this country. So who do you think I would use to base my opinion on universal healthcare? A subsection of my country, or yours?

I never said the American healthcare system wasn't broken.

Do you know what a universal healthcare system is? You can't have something close to it. Either healthcare is universal or it isn't. The problem with the VA was that it was still running under Americas broken healthcare system. You guys need a total reform. You can't just make extension to your old system, you need to tear it apart completely and have an actual healthcare system put in it's place.

No, it wasn't. It was using an entirely government-run system. That is, at it's essentials, exactly what the NHS is. But since you aren't actually reading what I'm saying, there's really no point to this. You keep supporting those top-notch posters!

#22 Posted by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

The fact that you're supporting a user who believes North Korea is a virtuous, righteous government that has never caused an ounce of harm to its people is really quite troubling. Not to mention the countless other ridiculous things he's said in the past. So yes, I do think you need to reflect on exactly who it is that you're supporting.

So lets get this straight: You believe the Republicans never tell the truth, and only do what their [corporate] masters tell them to do? Universal healthcare doesn't work in America. The VA is a prime example of that. And universal healthcare IS socialist. It doesn't matter what negative connotations some people lump in with the word because it's still an appropriate description.

What I actually can't stand is hypocrisy and double standards. Users who consistently ONLY criticize the US without taking a look at how fucked up their own country, or the rest of the world is. Also, users who hide behind their anonymity in an attempt to shield themselves from the rightful criticism they deserve for living in a specific country.

But hey, if you want to support a user like that go right ahead. That makes you an idiot, no matter what else you might support.

what has what he's said in the past got to do with this? Are you saying that there's a connection between NK and universal healthcare?

Where did anyone say that they never tell the truth? It's very clear that when it comes to healthcare they have lied. Can you say why it won't work in america? It works in every single other country, so why won't it work there?

My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it. I don't have to pay more than any other person in the world for healthcare and still get a terrible system. Is it really that hard for you to admit that Americas healthcare system is broken as hell? It doesn't mean it's a bad country, all it means is it has bad healthcare.

"My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it."

Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered. Thus, people that are too poor to pay for it certainly are refused.

#23 Posted by osirisx3 (1819 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

The fact that you're supporting a user who believes North Korea is a virtuous, righteous government that has never caused an ounce of harm to its people is really quite troubling. Not to mention the countless other ridiculous things he's said in the past. So yes, I do think you need to reflect on exactly who it is that you're supporting.

So lets get this straight: You believe the Republicans never tell the truth, and only do what their [corporate] masters tell them to do? Universal healthcare doesn't work in America. The VA is a prime example of that. And universal healthcare IS socialist. It doesn't matter what negative connotations some people lump in with the word because it's still an appropriate description.

What I actually can't stand is hypocrisy and double standards. Users who consistently ONLY criticize the US without taking a look at how fucked up their own country, or the rest of the world is. Also, users who hide behind their anonymity in an attempt to shield themselves from the rightful criticism they deserve for living in a specific country.

But hey, if you want to support a user like that go right ahead. That makes you an idiot, no matter what else you might support.

I never said DPRK is righteous, I just defend them against the lies and hypocrisy the west never stops spewing. The west is letting millions go hungry and wont do anything about it. They could save many lives but instead they are more interested in forcing their agendas on DPRK rather then helping people. Sure its okay for the USA to have nukes but Korea can't. DPRK is not allowed to defend its self because the USA says so. I am not brain washed i my make own mind up based on facts and reason.

This really takes things off topic. My feelings towards geopolitics in Asia have nothing to do with healthcare. Funny thing is even in a nation that is said to be evil and does not care about its own people DPRK tried to give everyone access to care while the richest nation in the world USA does not.

Your post was nothing more then a personal attack, because i hold an controversial opinion.

#24 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@osirisx3 said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

The fact that you're supporting a user who believes North Korea is a virtuous, righteous government that has never caused an ounce of harm to its people is really quite troubling. Not to mention the countless other ridiculous things he's said in the past. So yes, I do think you need to reflect on exactly who it is that you're supporting.

So lets get this straight: You believe the Republicans never tell the truth, and only do what their [corporate] masters tell them to do? Universal healthcare doesn't work in America. The VA is a prime example of that. And universal healthcare IS socialist. It doesn't matter what negative connotations some people lump in with the word because it's still an appropriate description.

What I actually can't stand is hypocrisy and double standards. Users who consistently ONLY criticize the US without taking a look at how fucked up their own country, or the rest of the world is. Also, users who hide behind their anonymity in an attempt to shield themselves from the rightful criticism they deserve for living in a specific country.

But hey, if you want to support a user like that go right ahead. That makes you an idiot, no matter what else you might support.

I never said DPRK is righteous, I just defend them against the lies and hypocrisy the west never stops spewing. The west is letting millions go hungry and wont do anything about it. They could save many lives but instead they are more interested in forcing their agendas on DPRK rather then helping people. Sure its okay for the USA to have nukes but Korea can't. DPRK is not allowed to defend its self because the USA says so. I am not brain washed i my make own mind up based on facts and reason.

This really takes things off topic. My feelings towards geopolitics in Asia have nothing to do with healthcare. Funny thing is even in a nation that is said to be evil and does not care about its own people DPRK tried to give everyone access to care while the richest nation in the world USA does not.

Your post was nothing more then a personal attack, because i hold an controversial opinion.

You hold a stupid opinion, which is why many people on this forum call you out on the nonsense you spew.

#25 Posted by Jacanuk (4742 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

The fact that you're supporting a user who believes North Korea is a virtuous, righteous government that has never caused an ounce of harm to its people is really quite troubling. Not to mention the countless other ridiculous things he's said in the past. So yes, I do think you need to reflect on exactly who it is that you're supporting.

So lets get this straight: You believe the Republicans never tell the truth, and only do what their [corporate] masters tell them to do? Universal healthcare doesn't work in America. The VA is a prime example of that. And universal healthcare IS socialist. It doesn't matter what negative connotations some people lump in with the word because it's still an appropriate description.

What I actually can't stand is hypocrisy and double standards. Users who consistently ONLY criticize the US without taking a look at how fucked up their own country, or the rest of the world is. Also, users who hide behind their anonymity in an attempt to shield themselves from the rightful criticism they deserve for living in a specific country.

But hey, if you want to support a user like that go right ahead. That makes you an idiot, no matter what else you might support.

what has what he's said in the past got to do with this? Are you saying that there's a connection between NK and universal healthcare?

Where did anyone say that they never tell the truth? It's very clear that when it comes to healthcare they have lied. Can you say why it won't work in america? It works in every single other country, so why won't it work there?

My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it. I don't have to pay more than any other person in the world for healthcare and still get a terrible system. Is it really that hard for you to admit that Americas healthcare system is broken as hell? It doesn't mean it's a bad country, all it means is it has bad healthcare.

"My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it."

Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered. Thus, people that are too poor to pay for it certainly are refused.

What are you talking about? please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?

#26 Posted by osirisx3 (1819 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

The fact that you're supporting a user who believes North Korea is a virtuous, righteous government that has never caused an ounce of harm to its people is really quite troubling. Not to mention the countless other ridiculous things he's said in the past. So yes, I do think you need to reflect on exactly who it is that you're supporting.

So lets get this straight: You believe the Republicans never tell the truth, and only do what their [corporate] masters tell them to do? Universal healthcare doesn't work in America. The VA is a prime example of that. And universal healthcare IS socialist. It doesn't matter what negative connotations some people lump in with the word because it's still an appropriate description.

What I actually can't stand is hypocrisy and double standards. Users who consistently ONLY criticize the US without taking a look at how fucked up their own country, or the rest of the world is. Also, users who hide behind their anonymity in an attempt to shield themselves from the rightful criticism they deserve for living in a specific country.

But hey, if you want to support a user like that go right ahead. That makes you an idiot, no matter what else you might support.

I never said DPRK is righteous, I just defend them against the lies and hypocrisy the west never stops spewing. The west is letting millions go hungry and wont do anything about it. They could save many lives but instead they are more interested in forcing their agendas on DPRK rather then helping people. Sure its okay for the USA to have nukes but Korea can't. DPRK is not allowed to defend its self because the USA says so. I am not brain washed i my make own mind up based on facts and reason.

This really takes things off topic. My feelings towards geopolitics in Asia have nothing to do with healthcare. Funny thing is even in a nation that is said to be evil and does not care about its own people DPRK tried to give everyone access to care while the richest nation in the world USA does not.

Your post was nothing more then a personal attack, because i hold an controversial opinion.

You hold a stupid opinion, which is why many people on this forum call you out on the nonsense you spew.

you hold a brain washed opinion go learn the truth.

#27 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@osirisx3 said:

you hold a brain washed opinion go learn the truth.

Yes, because I call out brutal regimes for being just that. So brainwashed. My country isn't perfect but you're INSANE if you think NK is better.

#28 Posted by caseypayne69 (5390 posts) -

I take it the UK system is liked.

#29 Edited by osirisx3 (1819 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

you hold a brain washed opinion go learn the truth.

Yes, because I call out brutal regimes for being just that. So brainwashed. My country isn't perfect but you're INSANE if you think NK is better.

i never said DPRK is better then USA. I can see there is no argument to be had with you, it's all personal attacks and putting words in my mouth.

#30 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@osirisx3 said:

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

you hold a brain washed opinion go learn the truth.

Yes, because I call out brutal regimes for being just that. So brainwashed. My country isn't perfect but you're INSANE if you think NK is better.

i never said DPRK is better then USA. I can see there is no argument to be had with you, it's all personal attacks and putting words in my mouth.

You're calling me brainwashed. If you aren't saying the DPRK is better, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

There is no debate here. North Korea is an evil, inhumane, and barbaric regime. They are MASTERS of propaganda. They make politicians across the globe look like angels. I will not believe anything you say regarding that country because you can't, with any degree of certainty, prove any of it.

I think the only brainwashed person here is you.

#31 Edited by osirisx3 (1819 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

you hold a brain washed opinion go learn the truth.

Yes, because I call out brutal regimes for being just that. So brainwashed. My country isn't perfect but you're INSANE if you think NK is better.

i never said DPRK is better then USA. I can see there is no argument to be had with you, it's all personal attacks and putting words in my mouth.

You're calling me brainwashed. If you aren't saying the DPRK is better, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

There is no debate here. North Korea is an evil, inhumane, and barbaric regime. They are MASTERS of propaganda. They make politicians across the globe look like angels. I will not believe anything you say regarding that country because you can't, with any degree of certainty, prove any of it.

I think the only brainwashed person here is you.

lol using western propaganda to complain about DPRK

#32 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@osirisx3 said:

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

you hold a brain washed opinion go learn the truth.

Yes, because I call out brutal regimes for being just that. So brainwashed. My country isn't perfect but you're INSANE if you think NK is better.

i never said DPRK is better then USA. I can see there is no argument to be had with you, it's all personal attacks and putting words in my mouth.

You're calling me brainwashed. If you aren't saying the DPRK is better, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

There is no debate here. North Korea is an evil, inhumane, and barbaric regime. They are MASTERS of propaganda. They make politicians across the globe look like angels. I will not believe anything you say regarding that country because you can't, with any degree of certainty, prove any of it.

I think the only brainwashed person here is you.

lol using western propaganda to complain about DPRK

Sorry, the west doesn't need to spread propaganda around to countries that are inferior to them. In fact, it doesn't actually make any sense that a country like the USA would spread propaganda around about NK. NK does a good job at that by itself.

#33 Posted by osirisx3 (1819 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

@airshocker said:

@osirisx3 said:

you hold a brain washed opinion go learn the truth.

Yes, because I call out brutal regimes for being just that. So brainwashed. My country isn't perfect but you're INSANE if you think NK is better.

i never said DPRK is better then USA. I can see there is no argument to be had with you, it's all personal attacks and putting words in my mouth.

You're calling me brainwashed. If you aren't saying the DPRK is better, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

There is no debate here. North Korea is an evil, inhumane, and barbaric regime. They are MASTERS of propaganda. They make politicians across the globe look like angels. I will not believe anything you say regarding that country because you can't, with any degree of certainty, prove any of it.

I think the only brainwashed person here is you.

lol using western propaganda to complain about DPRK

Sorry, the west doesn't need to spread propaganda around to countries that are inferior to them. In fact, it doesn't actually make any sense that a country like the USA would spread propaganda around about NK. NK does a good job at that by itself.

thats what they want you to think

#34 Posted by hoosier7 (3844 posts) -

@Crunchy_Nuts said:

The NHS is great. Now if only the government stopped trying to gut the thing. This is what I like about the UK, we have the choice to get private medical insurance if we really want it.

It's frustrating as hell, the entirety of cancer treatment in one area is being contracted out. It'll wind up just like the student loans on we won't even save any money on it.

#35 Posted by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

@airshocker said:

@toast_burner said:

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my friend, read.

why don't you? What exactly is wrong with his post?

It seems that your problem is with something he said outside of this thread, well I have no idea who he is, so I don't know anything about him except what he wrote in this thread. So what's wrong with what he said? Is it accusing republicans of lying about healthcare? Well that's a fact, are you really denying that there have ever been accusation of universal healthcare not working or being socialist? Is it the part where he said that even the people who hate the NHS still don't want Americas system? well that's true as well.

It seems you just can't stand anyone criticising your country no matter how broken it actually is.

The fact that you're supporting a user who believes North Korea is a virtuous, righteous government that has never caused an ounce of harm to its people is really quite troubling. Not to mention the countless other ridiculous things he's said in the past. So yes, I do think you need to reflect on exactly who it is that you're supporting.

So lets get this straight: You believe the Republicans never tell the truth, and only do what their [corporate] masters tell them to do? Universal healthcare doesn't work in America. The VA is a prime example of that. And universal healthcare IS socialist. It doesn't matter what negative connotations some people lump in with the word because it's still an appropriate description.

What I actually can't stand is hypocrisy and double standards. Users who consistently ONLY criticize the US without taking a look at how fucked up their own country, or the rest of the world is. Also, users who hide behind their anonymity in an attempt to shield themselves from the rightful criticism they deserve for living in a specific country.

But hey, if you want to support a user like that go right ahead. That makes you an idiot, no matter what else you might support.

what has what he's said in the past got to do with this? Are you saying that there's a connection between NK and universal healthcare?

Where did anyone say that they never tell the truth? It's very clear that when it comes to healthcare they have lied. Can you say why it won't work in america? It works in every single other country, so why won't it work there?

My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it. I don't have to pay more than any other person in the world for healthcare and still get a terrible system. Is it really that hard for you to admit that Americas healthcare system is broken as hell? It doesn't mean it's a bad country, all it means is it has bad healthcare.

"My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it."

Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered. Thus, people that are too poor to pay for it certainly are refused.

What are you talking about? please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?

"please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?"

This question makes no sense.

Anyway, at no point have I said that any essential healthcare isn't provided by the NHS. Why are you telling me to support such a position?

#36 Edited by Jacanuk (4742 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

"My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it."

Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered. Thus, people that are too poor to pay for it certainly are refused.

What are you talking about? please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?

"please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?"

This question makes no sense.

Anyway, at no point have I said that any essential healthcare isn't provided by the NHS. Why are you telling me to support such a position?

How hard can it be? you claim that "certain care" isn't covered by NHS so please provide proof which care is not covered.

#37 Posted by airshocker (29904 posts) -

@osirisx3 said:

thats what they want you to think

No, that's the conclusion I came to based on everything I've read about North Korea.

#38 Posted by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

"My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it."

Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered. Thus, people that are too poor to pay for it certainly are refused.

What are you talking about? please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?

"please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?"

This question makes no sense.

Anyway, at no point have I said that any essential healthcare isn't provided by the NHS. Why are you telling me to support such a position?

How hard can it be? you claim that "certain care" isn't covered by NHS so please provide proof which care is not covered.

If it's so easy, why don't you do it?

#39 Posted by Jacanuk (4742 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

"My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it."

Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered. Thus, people that are too poor to pay for it certainly are refused.

What are you talking about? please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?

"please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?"

This question makes no sense.

Anyway, at no point have I said that any essential healthcare isn't provided by the NHS. Why are you telling me to support such a position?

How hard can it be? you claim that "certain care" isn't covered by NHS so please provide proof which care is not covered.

If it's so easy, why don't you do it?

So you want me to prove your argument? did you put on opposite shoes this morning? but of course i won't prove your argument.

But thanks for proving that you were just talking out of your sitting area and have no clue what NHS does.

#40 Posted by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

"My country doesn't refuse people care because they are to poor to afford to pay for it."

Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered. Thus, people that are too poor to pay for it certainly are refused.

What are you talking about? please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?

"please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?"

This question makes no sense.

Anyway, at no point have I said that any essential healthcare isn't provided by the NHS. Why are you telling me to support such a position?

How hard can it be? you claim that "certain care" isn't covered by NHS so please provide proof which care is not covered.

If it's so easy, why don't you do it?

So you want me to prove your argument? did you put on opposite shoes this morning? but of course i won't prove your argument.

But thanks for proving that you were just talking out of your sitting area and have no clue what NHS does.

"So you want me to prove your argument?"

No. I made no argument about "essential care." You're the one that brought it up and asked be to prove it.

#41 Posted by Jacanuk (4742 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

So you want me to prove your argument? did you put on opposite shoes this morning? but of course i won't prove your argument.

But thanks for proving that you were just talking out of your sitting area and have no clue what NHS does.

"So you want me to prove your argument?"

No. I made no argument about "essential care." You're the one that brought it up and asked be to prove it.

I think you are having a problem reading.

You said "Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered."

Again i ask you to prove which care isent covered by NHS, Since you made the argument and clearly wanted to point out that you think there is a problem with NHS.

#42 Posted by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

So you want me to prove your argument? did you put on opposite shoes this morning? but of course i won't prove your argument.

But thanks for proving that you were just talking out of your sitting area and have no clue what NHS does.

"So you want me to prove your argument?"

No. I made no argument about "essential care." You're the one that brought it up and asked be to prove it.

I think you are having a problem reading.

You said "Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered."

Again i ask you to prove which care isent covered by NHS, Since you made the argument and clearly wanted to point out that you think there is a problem with NHS.

What you asked was "please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?". Which question do you want me to answer? You seem t have a problem remembering what we have talked about.

#43 Edited by Jacanuk (4742 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

So you want me to prove your argument? did you put on opposite shoes this morning? but of course i won't prove your argument.

But thanks for proving that you were just talking out of your sitting area and have no clue what NHS does.

"So you want me to prove your argument?"

No. I made no argument about "essential care." You're the one that brought it up and asked be to prove it.

I think you are having a problem reading.

You said "Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered."

Again i ask you to prove which care isent covered by NHS, Since you made the argument and clearly wanted to point out that you think there is a problem with NHS.

What you asked was "please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?". Which question do you want me to answer? You seem t have a problem remembering what we have talked about.

Are you for real? You statement clearly implied that some care that poor need was not covered IE need as in essential, so what about just proving it.

Its like im talking to a wall here, but i get you just claimed to know something you clearly dont. Which makes it even more ironic that you try in another thread to blame someone else for the same.

#44 Posted by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

So you want me to prove your argument? did you put on opposite shoes this morning? but of course i won't prove your argument.

But thanks for proving that you were just talking out of your sitting area and have no clue what NHS does.

"So you want me to prove your argument?"

No. I made no argument about "essential care." You're the one that brought it up and asked be to prove it.

I think you are having a problem reading.

You said "Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered."

Again i ask you to prove which care isent covered by NHS, Since you made the argument and clearly wanted to point out that you think there is a problem with NHS.

What you asked was "please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?". Which question do you want me to answer? You seem t have a problem remembering what we have talked about.

Are you for real? You statement clearly implied that some care that poor need was not covered IE need as in essential, so what about just proving it.

Its like im talking to a wall here, but i get you just claimed to know something you clearly dont. Which makes it even more ironic that you try in another thread to blame someone else for the same.

There are dental treatments, eye care treatments, and prescriptions that are not covered for some people under NHS.

Now, addressing your accusations about what I've stated. I didn't post a darn thing about "need" or "essential care." Stop putting words in my mouth. That is a dishonest and ineffective way to communicate with others.

#45 Edited by Jacanuk (4742 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

So you want me to prove your argument? did you put on opposite shoes this morning? but of course i won't prove your argument.

But thanks for proving that you were just talking out of your sitting area and have no clue what NHS does.

"So you want me to prove your argument?"

No. I made no argument about "essential care." You're the one that brought it up and asked be to prove it.

I think you are having a problem reading.

You said "Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered."

Again i ask you to prove which care isent covered by NHS, Since you made the argument and clearly wanted to point out that you think there is a problem with NHS.

What you asked was "please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?". Which question do you want me to answer? You seem t have a problem remembering what we have talked about.

Are you for real? You statement clearly implied that some care that poor need was not covered IE need as in essential, so what about just proving it.

Its like im talking to a wall here, but i get you just claimed to know something you clearly dont. Which makes it even more ironic that you try in another thread to blame someone else for the same.

There are dental treatments, eye care treatments, and prescriptions that are not covered for some people under NHS.

Now, addressing your accusations about what I've stated. I didn't post a darn thing about "need" or "essential care." Stop putting words in my mouth. That is a dishonest and ineffective way to communicate with others.

Not really, if you are "poor" NHS actually does cover most Dental work, unless we are talking purely cosmetic or non-essential work, Eye treatment? again if its essential and not cosmetic the NHS actually do cover it. And again with prescriptions if its essential medicine and not vitamins or something you can live fine without and have low income you can get covered by the NHS:

If you do have a normal income and work, then yes those things doesnt always come free, but with Dental its actually not that expensive if you look at the bands, a normal checkup is band 1 and cost around 18.50£, treament is either band 2 or 3 and cost a max of around 200£ which most with work should be able to afford, otherwise they need to get a budget check.

And i didn´t accuse you of anything, the way you worded that argument it implied that we were talking about some kind of essential care, but hey at least we got to argue semantics.

#46 Edited by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

So you want me to prove your argument? did you put on opposite shoes this morning? but of course i won't prove your argument.

But thanks for proving that you were just talking out of your sitting area and have no clue what NHS does.

"So you want me to prove your argument?"

No. I made no argument about "essential care." You're the one that brought it up and asked be to prove it.

I think you are having a problem reading.

You said "Where do you live? We're talking about the NHS here, under which certain care is not covered."

Again i ask you to prove which care isent covered by NHS, Since you made the argument and clearly wanted to point out that you think there is a problem with NHS.

What you asked was "please provide proof that any essential health care isn't provided by NHS?". Which question do you want me to answer? You seem t have a problem remembering what we have talked about.

Are you for real? You statement clearly implied that some care that poor need was not covered IE need as in essential, so what about just proving it.

Its like im talking to a wall here, but i get you just claimed to know something you clearly dont. Which makes it even more ironic that you try in another thread to blame someone else for the same.

There are dental treatments, eye care treatments, and prescriptions that are not covered for some people under NHS.

Now, addressing your accusations about what I've stated. I didn't post a darn thing about "need" or "essential care." Stop putting words in my mouth. That is a dishonest and ineffective way to communicate with others.

Not really, if you are "poor" NHS actually does cover most Dental work, unless we are talking purely cosmetic or non-essential work, Eye treatment? again if its essential and not cosmetic the NHS actually do cover it. And again with prescriptions if its essential medicine and not vitamins or something you can live fine without and have low income you can get covered by the NHS:

If you do have a normal income and work, then yes those things doesnt always come free, but with Dental its actually not that expensive if you look at the bands, a normal checkup is band 1 and cost around 18.50£, treament is either band 2 or 3 and cost a max of around 200£ which most with work should be able to afford, otherwise they need to get a budget check.

And i didn´t accuse you of anything, the way you worded that argument it implied that we were talking about some kind of essential care, but hey at least we got to argue semantics.

"Not really"

Yes, really. In the very next paragraph you mention medical care that is not covered.

"And i didn´t accuse you of anything, the way you worded that argument it implied that we were talking about some kind of essential care, but hey at least we got to argue semantics."

No, it did not. What was it, exactly, that led you to believe that my post that did not bring up, mention, or comment about "need" or "essential care" was about "need" or "essential care"?